Should women teach the bible?

[mjrhealth]

To deny the Immaculate Conception is to deny the power of the Imperishable seed

Yet you are afraid to do a direct reply hoping we will miss the response, God provided His seed, through His Spirit into Marys womb to which it fertilized the seed of a woman, the only part that was perfect and Holy was the part from God, You simply are denying Gods power to do a lot of things.

 

[CovenantPromise]

This is very depressing...

Please elaborate. Have you ever been in a college debate? What would be depressing? Finding out you may be wrong or finding out the Truth? If it is finding out you may be wrong about something , then I guess that could be depressing. That would mean TRUTH is depressing for you , right?
2 Timothy 4:3
Preach the Word
…2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.…

The Catholic church's version of Immaculate Conception is a myth. Scripture can provide the ACCURATE version. Protestants hold to the myth that to receive and be born of the imperishable seed is not to be conceived by well an Immaculate seed. Imperishable-
enduring forever.
"imperishable truths"

Immaculate:
Similar:
unblemished
spotless
pure
impeccable
unsullied
undefiled
Is Christ all this? Is this what we are born of, according to scripture alone?

 

[mjrhealth]

I love good , heated,healthy debate, especially when Christ has assured me a Victorious outcome

Really, Jesus cannot assure you of a victorious outcome if you preach lies that would make He who is perfect, imperfect and a liar.

 

[CovenantPromise]

Was Christ's mother conceived and born from an Imperishable seed, Yes or No?
Is that an Immaculate Conception or a soiled one, YES or NO.
I am open to having my mind changed , (if that were possible). I am not shying away from correction.
Psalm 141:
Come Quickly to Me
…4Do not let my heart be drawn to any evil thing or take part in works of wickedness with men who do iniquity; let me not feast on their delicacies. 5Let the righteous man strike me; let his rebuke be an act of loving devotion. It is oil for my head; let me not refuse it. For my prayer is ever against the deeds of the wicked. 6When their rulers are thrown from the cliffs, the people will listen to my words, for they are pleasant.…

We will find out who is righteous, and I love TRUTH. As you will notice , I do not challenge scripture but do challenge doctrines with scripture. I just want to get to the Truth. And sometimes truth requires us to change our minds. I am not indoctrinated with bunk nor do I just blindly follow to appease whichever group. I seek to be right with the Lord not men.

 

[mjrhealth]

Was Christ's mother conceived and born from an Imperishable seed, Yes or No?
Is that an Immaculate Conception or a soiled one, YES or NO.

Was Christ's mother conceived and born from an Imperishable seed, No - she died.
Is that an Immaculate Conception or a soiled one, YES or NO show me immaculate in the bible please-

Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

never ever claimed she was perfect. and that was the whole point.

 

[CovenantPromise]

1 Peter 1:22-24
The Word of the Lord Stands
22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart. 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.


Was Christ's mother conceived and born from an Imperishable seed, Yes or No?
Is that an Immaculate Conception or a soiled one, YES or NO.

Imperishable-
enduring forever.
"imperishable truths"

Immaculate:
Similar:
unblemished
spotless
pure
impeccable
unsullied
undefiled
Is Christ all this? Is this what we are born of, according to scripture alone?

Now a certain cat in here wants to have a debate with me while denying scripture and calling it idolatry to put faith in it because it is written. And then point his hypocritical finger toward me and says I am unwilling to openly discuss?? Now my question is, how do we debate and discuss existing doctrines and learn new ones when he says scripture is not the way ? This will be difficult for him, with no jumping off point, no? since he is against it how can anyone talk him seriously? And wow! Truths about Christ's mother throws people into convulsions.

Now is this certain man Protestant? If so, why deny scripture alone as the means to form doctrines? If something else, then what?

 

[mjrhealth]

23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

And that has what to do with Mary... you are adding too, are you not.

1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

There is a big difference from being born and born again, Mary was born it was not untill after Pentecost we could be born again, what pedestal are you trying o put her on may I ask,

 

[CovenantPromise]

The argument for some , who are way behind the curve , is that she died? Show me that in scripture please? LOL! I mean according to your own words. I must show she did not die?

I will show she did not fall asleep to the earth. Christ died right? Was he soiled , imperfect, not immaculate?
As for Imperishable, and her not dying, her soul is eternal, I did not say her flesh did not fall away to make way for her immortality. I can prove she was snatched up with Christ at His ascension.She simply reached the finished work on earth. I did speak to an order right up to full restoration. Certain souls of the End of the Age will too experience this. This according to scripture alone. St. Paul points it out. I am just showing the process, and that it happened to the first born of Christ -HIS MOTHER. She was transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. See, you should study all denominational doctrines. Glean through what they bring to the table. Test them according to scripture. Pray and the Holy Spirit leads to where the TRUE answers are . Instead of just writing off all for your denomination in affiliation . That is why I write off no denomination completely . I look at the history and the source as to WHY Orthodox believes in the Dormition of Mary , where The New ark of the Covenant can be proven and found in scripture, Elect, and predestination. Some of these doctrines are in rudimentary explanation , but I correct and refine, as God has done with my heart soul and mind. God then reveals it and gives me greater clarity into it and the exact scripture to support the truth of it.

 

[mjrhealth]

HIS MOTHER. She was transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye

No she wasnt you are making that up, David was a man of whom God spoke,

Act_13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

You keep trying to make Mary perfect to suit some strange Ideology of your, bible never says that.

Even David was not perfect God still used Him as He uses lots of "imperfect" people, she just happened to be one who accepted His will.

 

[CovenantPromise]

And that has what to do with Mary... you are adding too, are you not.

1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

There is a big difference from being born and born again, Mary was born it was not untill after Pentecost we could be born again, what pedestal are you trying o put her on may I ask,

You are silly. She is the Immaculate Conception of the faith. Her birth was at her Yes. She received and was born of the Imperishable seed long before Pentecost, CLEARLY! The Power of the Most High overshadowed her way before that event. That according to scripture alone. And not to mention John the baptist , who , in receiving the Holy Spirit in the womb at Elizabeth's six month , had therefore the Holy Spirit from the womb. Thus fulfilling the prophecy, that from the womb he would have the Holy Spirit. But that did not occur until Mary's greeting. As for water baptism, the ritual waters of the Rites of purification were an institution with the Hebrews. And Johns father who was a priest would have taught John all the ritual administering of the waters of purification from his beginning. You go by doctrinal father's of the Protestant movement, they must have missed- the power of the Most High over shadowed and came upon the Elect mother. Pentecost is simply , as a church body, God further bestowing more gifts according to their readiness to receive, according to their process in growth. You do know God is eternal right And heaven is within? There are many instances prior to Pentecost and after of receiving different degrees of the the holy Spirit. Growth , does not go stagnant . Pentecost is a pivotal moment for the Elect BODY, collectively . It was to embolden. They were experiencing persecution following Christ death and Resurrection.They were afraid prior, but if you notice as the Spirit of God came rushing in the BODY was strengthened and fortified and then began the church preaching in BOLDNESS .

Order of events is important. Mary could not be dead while carrying the imperishable seed, while raising the imperishable seed.She was born at her yes. She was baptized in the Power of the Most high too- by water. HOW DO I KNOW THAT, well besides being Hebrew and practicing the Rites of purification, when the Power of the Most HIGH overshadowed the OLD ARK OF THE COVENANT everyday, dew was left upon the wooden ark. The Power of the Most High has that purifying affect. That is simply His way. And that would be no different when overshadowing mother Mary who would be an Ark that would contain the Covenant Promise.

Now this is a befitting WOMAN to add to this discussion about women.

 

[CovenantPromise]

No she wasnt you are making that up, David was a man of whom God spoke,

Act_13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

You keep trying to make Mary perfect to suit some strange Ideology of your, bible never says that.

Even David was not perfect God still used Him as He uses lots of "imperfect" people, she just happened to be one who accepted His will.

Correction I said Christ made her perfect not me. Isn't that why He came/ Did He not say "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect"? Are you saying that somehow that was not for His elect mother to be through Him , in Him and with Him? Truly , one who abides is righteous as Christ is righteous. And why would you assume I would call upon Acts to prove that His mother was taken up with Him at the ascension?

Now we know Enoch (he will return )was taken up and Elijah was taken up (he already returned is- John the Baptist), but the thought that Christ's mother was taken up is not possible? Yet David who you mention , did speak of His Lord and His ascension.

 

[CovenantPromise]

Was Christ's mother conceived and born from an Imperishable seed, No - she died.
Is that an Immaculate Conception or a soiled one, YES or NO show me immaculate in the bible please-

Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

never ever claimed she was perfect. and that was the whole point.

immaculate:
Similar:
unblemished
spotless
pure
impeccable
unsullied
undefiled

You do know God gave us an extensive vocabulary? Pure, spotless unsullied undefiled all mean the same thing?
As a matter of fact, there is a group of people in Rev.14 who are exactly that, after they are redeemed from among nations. It's funny, people use the word "Rapture" , not in the bible, they use the word Trinity , not in the bible, but now you demand I show you where the word Immaculate is in the bible?
This from one who says the bible will not save you and those who trust in it are idolaters ??? Clearly:fools rush in. People say fools rush in where angels fear to tread or fools rush in to mean that stupid people often do or say things without thinking enough about them first. ... Amateurs rush in where professionals fear to tread.

Clearly , everyone who would consider themselves professionals- preachers, teachers, authors etc.... have avoided this discussion with a ten foot pole.But will rely on the fool to get to the end of the matter that they do not come out looking and being on the loosing end of this conversation.

I will always prove my point. Ciao! , for now.

 

[CovenantPromise]

Really, Jesus cannot assure you of a victorious outcome if you preach lies that would make He who is perfect, imperfect and a liar.

I here a lot of accusations and opinions but not one thing to prove me wrong. To call me a liar -FIRST ,you must point out the lie and have some proof to back that up! Jesus MOST ASSUREDLY will give me a Victorious outcome.

2 Peter 1:3-
Partakers of the Divine Nature

3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. 5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. 10Therefore, brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 12Therefore, I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body,14since I know that it will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to ensure that after my departure, you will be able to recall these things at all times.

NATURE: the basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as characteristic of it.

But nature has to do with a created part of something . In this case DIVINE: of, from, or like God or a god, NATURE means our own flesh nature takes on the Divine=Holy Nature that is present in FLESH as the Christ. Christ being fully human yet Divine because He is God Incarnate.

 

[amadeus]

Really please tell that to God so that Him and Jesus can agree with you.. was it not you who said, " its all you have".... Jesus must feel really left out..

But you cant separate the 2 because it is an "idol made on things in heaven". Which is why so many all they do is argue over the bible, I though this was Christianty about Christ not Bliblianity about teh bible.

As much as I regularly read my Bibles, without the Holy Spirit where would I be?
While Paul is not really talking about the same thing in the following verse, the difference it describes clarifies for us, if we can understand it... what you are saying;

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." I Cor 15:19

 

[amadeus]

You only know about Christ via the Bible.

But without the quickening of the Holy Spirit, the contents of the Bible would never have any Life.

 

[amadeus]

It's all good.

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Rom 8:28

 

[amadeus]

You seem to be on an exercise bike. You put a lot of effort in pedaling but are getting nowhere fast. Hence , why you will always be just spinning your wheels and making no head way. Scriptures are His truth put into written words. Keep spinning.

Even so, scriptures are full of hope, but like the body of Jesus hanging dead on the cross they have no Life in them until the Resurrection. In us they would lie also dead, but for the quickening of the Holy Spirit which would bring them to Life in us... if we do not quench that Spirit!

 

[amadeus]

This is very depressing...

You can certainly say that again!

 

[DNB]

One of the over-arching principles throughout the Bible, is the often explicit and unambiguous principle of man’s authority over woman. Beginning from the point of creation, and on through the institution of the Levitical priesthood, and the era of the Judges, Monarchy and Apostles, one is obligated to recognize the hierarchal precedence that man has over the woman. And the rare exceptions where a woman may have held authority for a brief time or offered instruction, does not by any means, justifiably constitute the rule.

But, it goes without saying, that this is not a relationship or hierarchy of oppression, abuse, or even superiority in competence and/or standing with God. For simply, as a child may be wiser than his parents, as a student may be more adept than his master, or as a civilian may be more upstanding than a police officer or the government, this does not give the one under another’s authority the right to challenge or usurp that hierarchy. And on the converse, the one holding the superior position is incumbently required to respect, nurture, instruct, protect, and to do all in the best interest of those under their responsibility. And in the case of governmental or familial relationships, the one in authority is obligated to give one’s life for those under their responsibility. Having authority is a responsibility, not a privilege or entitlement.

The following Biblical verses, although having various contexts and precepts, comprehensively address the relationship that is intended to exist between man and woman. Regardless of the specific circumstance of each pericope, one should begin to appreciate how scripture collectively, holds to the view of man’s hierarchal authority over women. In that, it would be extremely precarious for anyone to attempt to defy this over-arching theme, based on a few, implicit, isolated and exceptional verses.

Genesis 2:18, 23
2:18. The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." … 23. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, 'for she was taken out of man."

Genesis 3:16
16. To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

1 Timothy 2:11-14
2:11. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

1 Cor. 14:34-38
14:34. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. … for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 37. If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 7-10, 16
11:3. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. … 9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 16. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice-- nor do the churches of God.

1 Peter 3:1-6
3:1. Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, … 5. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6. like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master.

Eph. 5:21-24
5: 22. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Colossians 3:18
3:18. Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Tit. 2:4-5
2:4. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5. to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

1 Tim. 3:2-12
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, … 8. Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere… 11. In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect… 12. A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

Tit. 1:6
1:6. An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient

Numbers 3:1-13
3:3. Those were the names of Aaron's sons, the anointed priests, who were ordained to serve as priests. 4. Nadab and Abihu, however, fell dead before the LORD when they made an offering with unauthorized fire before him in the Desert of Sinai. They had no sons; so only Eleazar and Ithamar served as priests during the lifetime of their father Aaron. … 9. Give the Levites to Aaron and his sons; they are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to him. 10. Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary must be put to death." 11. The LORD also said to Moses, 12. "I have taken the Levites from among the Israelites in place of the first male offspring of every Israelite woman. The Levites are mine

And, it utterly amazes me how the following verses are understood to believe that there is no more gender in God’s eyes??? If this were so, does that mean that a man may marry and sleep with another man, since God does not see them as men anymore, …but just androgynous? Clearly the passage and entire context, starting from chapter two, is denouncing the Judaizers, and defining what the eligibility for salvation is. That is, circumcision, race, status, vocation, gender, age, size, wealth, pedigree has absolutely no bearing on one’s standing with God towards redemption.

Galations 3:11, 13, 25-29
11. Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 25. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27. for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[CovenantPromise]

You can certainly say that again!

Okay , then why are you joining the DEBATE? A debate has two opposing views. For you to say you agree with, "the depressing view", why aren't I depressed? I am not ill affected by anyone's disagreement . Yet certain are??? don't be like the snowflakes concerning politics. It would seem you do not like challenges, yet Christians welcome them, because they are an opportunity to speak of the faith that is in us. VERY TELLING concerning your fear and what you adhere to. I on the other hand welcome challenge with open arms. If you can prove me wrong, (YOU WON'T) but for the entertain value , have at, TRY. I am sound.