No one can see the Kingdom of God unless...

[DNB]

I only do to see where people get there strange ideas from. we have one God one Jesus one Holy spirit they are enough for me.

God bless

Seriously, you don't read the Bible? Or, did you just mean NIV, or chronological?

 

[DNB]

Comprehension.

One out of three is not good...certainly not correct.

It reads "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever." You only got one out of the three right...which makes you wrong.

No, the authour was currently speaking from a time period where all three apply, ...you're wrong.

 

[Nancy]

He was with God in the beginning and He WAS God. John said this about Jesus/the light/the Word. He also says that everything that was made was made through Him and that He came into the very world He created and the world did not recognize Him.

There are many verses and places that agree with John and even Jesus Himself said of Himself, before Abraham was born, I am.

But you think it is nonsense. Once again, you can't see it, but other men can.

I think some people just breeze over direct scripture when they do not like what it clearly say's.

 

[DNB]

No...that is not the prophecy of Joel.

You only assumed that the only ones who were mocked were "inspired men" "the apostles." But the prophecy that Peter confirmed on the day of Pentecost was that God would pour out His spirit upon "all flesh."

As for discretion...you're not doing so well. Your discretion must surely be your own.

Even though the offer is there, it doesn't mean that those who claim to have it, always do.
My discretion is always my own, every single time that I speak, write, or think, what's yours?

 

[DNB]

ah, you lost me i guess, which acts?
Declining to drink human blood would have been automatic for them?
So maybe contemplate how the offer makes a mockery, yeh

Ok, sorry, i misunderstood your question then?
I meant, just the offering itself, or those who complied, would make a mockery of the sacrificial institution or the memorial of Christ.
But, you were not talking about this?
Sorry, i completely missed your allusion?

 

[DNB]

Oh...so you didn't mean for it to be taken literally when you said you didn't have the Holy Spirit? So then I'm assuming you have received the Holy Spirit.

You seem to want to insist that no one speak about things of Gods Spirit, but I think we have to, seeing as how our own preachers and teachers are mostly, a. Only expounding the letter with no true knowledge or witness of the Spirit at all or, b. Pretenders and charlatans.

So I think we need to help and share with each other because we are so weak and with no Paul to teach us these things, aside from his letters.

We shouldn't dismiss or shut up every man or we will remain weak.

No, i meant that am I not inspired by the Holy Spirit, literally, whenever I interpret scripture. If I have, it's been rare, and even then, I can't conclusively state where the inspiration came from.
So, therefore, I remain extremely discreet before I will accept anyone else's testimony, as you should be always.
You just finished speaking about the charlatans and hollow preachers, therefore, apply discretion, don't believe every story that you hear.

 

[DNB]

Of course you liked it, because you think he said it is better to not speak of experiencing God and walking with Him.

Yes, that's true, we agreed, so i can't help but applaud him. That's natural and expected, ...but, coming from the same perspective or not, that was an very comprehensive, and thus, balanced, take on the issue as a whole.
You heard him address both sides, and keep a sober view on both, its availability, and its actuality.

 

[DNB]

Yes, well small children are over eager and foolish in many ways. They fall many times while learning to walk. They attempt to stick forks into wall sockets. They grow into arrogant teenagers who think they know everything. Eventually, they calm down and get some humility and caution and wisdom.

Sometimes you have to let them make their mistakes, despite all your cautions, until they grow and settle down.

It's insulting to God, and verging on blasphemy. ie claiming that something was inspired by God, when in actuality, it came from elsewhere.
Inspiration from God is not for children, it is for the mature, humble, and faithful. It makes people wise, which is the greatest gift of all, as far as human attributes are concerned (Proverbs).
Thus, have you seen the wisdom yet?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, i meant that am I not inspired by the Holy Spirit, literally, whenever I interpret scripture. If I have, it's been rare, and even then, I can't conclusively state where the inspiration came from.
So, therefore, I remain extremely discreet before I will accept anyone else's testimony, as you should be always.
You just finished speaking about the charlatans and hollow preachers, therefore, apply discretion, don't believe every story that you hear.

I don't believe every story I hear, or else how would I have spoke about charlatans or pretenders...

 

[DNB]

He was with God in the beginning and He WAS God. John said this about Jesus/the light/the Word. He also says that everything that was made was made through Him and that He came into the very world He created and the world did not recognize Him.

There are many verses and places that agree with John and even Jesus Himself said of Himself, before Abraham was born, I am.

But you think it is nonsense. Once again, you can't see it, but other men can.

Look up antanaclasis, and 'Before Abraham was born, I am', doesn't say I'm God, does it?
You seem to be attempting to correlate passages that just aren't warranted. You have to do much better than that to show your competence, otherwise, potential converts will laugh at us, and we'll lose them.

 

[DNB]

I don't believe every story I hear, or else how would I have spoke about charlatans or pretenders...

So then why don't show a bit of wisdom and agree with Episkopos and myself, that we accept the availability of Divine inspiration and intervention, but are cautious as to when we will accept an authentic occurrence? We are not dismissing it entirely, like I've said one thousand times, just prudent in discerning its authenticity.

 

[Waiting on him]

It's insulting to God, and verging on blasphemy. ie claiming that something was inspired by God, when in actuality, it came from elsewhere.
Inspiration from God is not for children, it is for the mature, humble, and faithful. It makes people wise, which is the greatest gift of all, as far as human attributes are concerned (Proverbs).
Thus, have you seen the wisdom yet?

Interestingly the topic is cursing. Many believe the command not to take the Lords name in vain would imply using the words GD. I’ve come to understand this is going about parroting false doctrines, claiming it was received by you of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

My apologies I just realized I’ve crossed up threads.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Look up antanaclasis, and 'Before Abraham was born, I am', doesn't say I'm God, does it?
You seem to be attempting to correlate passages that just aren't warranted. You have to do much better than that to show your competence, otherwise, potential converts will laugh at us, and we'll lose them.

I'm not looking up anything. I'm not even taking you seriously at this point, since you want to argue that Jesus is not God and didn't exist with God in the beginning.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So then why don't show a bit of wisdom and agree with Episkopos and myself, that we accept the availability of Divine inspiration and intervention, but are cautious as to when we will accept an authentic occurrence? We are not dismissing it entirely, like I've said one thousand times, just prudent in discerning its authenticity.

I almost always agree with Episkopos, and if I don't, its usually because I'm missing something, not him.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm not looking up anything. I'm not even taking you seriously at this point, since you want to argue that Jesus is not God and didn't exist with God in the beginning.

The way I view this is the Son eternally exists, but Jesus the flesh man(last Adam) existed from His being conceived in the womb of Mary.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think some people just breeze over direct scripture when they do not like what it clearly say's.

That is usually because it would topple their theological construct, but sometimes, it's just skipped over because they can't comprehend it or make sense of it in any way.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hebrews 10:5-7 KJV
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.


Tecarta Bible

 

[Waiting on him]

Anyhow, in reference to the OP

UNLESS YOU DIE.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The way I view this is the Son eternally exists, but Jesus the flesh man(last Adam) existed from His being conceived in the womb of Mary.

I agree that His flesh did not exist until it existed, but He Himself existed with God in the beginning and He WAS God.