Waiting on him
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I agree, had to the volume of the book (Old Testament) is written of Him.I agree that His flesh did not exist until it existed, but He Himself existed with God in the beginning and He WAS God.
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I agree, had to the volume of the book (Old Testament) is written of Him.I agree that His flesh did not exist until it existed, but He Himself existed with God in the beginning and He WAS God.
...and why would I take you seriously, one who professes a god-man?I'm not looking up anything. I'm not even taking you seriously at this point, since you want to argue that Jesus is not God and didn't exist with God in the beginning.
Well, declare it then, ...you keep questioning me on why I have reservations about people's dreams & visions. I told you that I believe in dreams & visions, just not necessarily the ones that I've heard so far on this site.I almost always agree with Episkopos, and if I don't, its usually because I'm missing something, not him.
ha, i like that, "sacrificial institution"the sacrificial institution
seems like i recall some sycophants being offered blood and human body--or so they thought anyway--considering it nonsense
And, such acts as you mentioned, make a mockery of Christ and his precepts.
how so?I meant, just the offering itself, or those who complied, would make a mockery of the sacrificial institution or the memorial of Christ.
which dont get me wrong i agree, SiT w/o interpretation and all that; howeverYes, ....but, they are definitely deterred by nonsense.
i wouldnt write that in stone just yet k broforever" means eternal.
i have only just recently discovered that i have virtually no idea what i am talking about most of the time lol@DNB
Are some of the people on this forum in error with their beliefs and doctrines? Very likely, but it is not also likely that you and I have missed a turn or two in the road as well? We need to take hold of His hand in this thing. No man can make it alone!
yall both know about meet john doe right, and what "Jesus of Nazareth" would have been heard likeI agree, had to the volume of the book (Old Testament) is written of Him.
that ones a toughie, yehI'm not looking up anything. I'm not even taking you seriously at this point, since you want to argue that Jesus is not God and didn't exist with God in the beginning.
Yes, I think that I see what you mean, by Jesus saying 'eat my flesh and drink my blood', he knew that only those with 'ears to hear' would understand the message?ha, i like that, "sacrificial institution"
I desire mercy, not sacrifice
how so?
the sycophants of Jesus, who did not comply when offered take, eat, drink btw. The um hangers-on? so ya, guess we gotta back up to here, sorry
which dont get me wrong i agree, SiT w/o interpretation and all that; however
my point was kinda that Jesus seems to have deliberately pitched what He knew could only be heard as sacrilege to most Jews who could not hear
i guess
All three (yesterday, today, and forever) always "apply" when it comes to God. It is your explanation of "currently" and of "time" that does not properly define eternity. Your explanation and understanding, is as you said: "Forever in that context does not meant eternal." Which is simply ludicrous.No, the authour was currently speaking from a time period where all three apply, ...you're wrong.
It does not say that...that is just you talking, and adding your own interpretation to the word of God. Sorry, that is not allowed.Even though the offer is there, it doesn't mean that those who claim to have it, always do.
I know it is your own...that is what I said.My discretion is always my own, every single time that I speak, write, or think, what's yours?
Like many things, even a dictionary or lexicon, they are only so good.i wouldnt write that in stone just yet k bro
Matthew 25:46 Lexicon: "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Strong's Greek: 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) -- agelong, eternal
noun
noun: aeon
- an indefinite and very long period of time, often a period exaggerated for humorous or rhetorical effect.
"he reached the crag eons before I arrived"
- ASTRONOMY•GEOLOGY
a unit of time equal to a billion years.- GEOLOGY
a major division of geological time, subdivided into eras.
"the Precambrian eon"
Scott, you're becoming very difficult, ...eternal includes forever, but forever does not include eternal.All three (yesterday, today, and forever) always "apply" when it comes to God. It is your explanation of "currently" and of "time" that does not properly define eternity. Your explanation and understanding, is as you said: "Forever in that context does not meant eternal." Which is simply ludicrous.
Perhaps a dictionary would help:
e·ter·nal
/əˈtərn(ə)l/
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adjective
- lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
...one thing that I've always learned, those who claim to speak with the authority of the Holy Spirit, are always the worst exegetes.It does not say that...that is just you talking, and adding your own interpretation to the word of God. Sorry, that is not allowed.
I know it is your own...that is what I said.
But matters of God are not open to one's own discretion. That's the problem here.
As for me, it is the Spirit which discerns.
Use those wits my friend, but if you depend only on them for your final conclusion may you not find yourself in trouble with God? God knows exactly what He has provided each of us and expects us to use that provision for His glory. Consider what His glory is! Atheists have used only their wits as well. What is the difference between you and them? Consider your answer carefully!From their own mouths they claim that it's nonsense (I've seen enough debates).
As far as God considering it nonsense, ...I only have my wits to know the difference, which are fallible, indeed. But, that's all that I have, and God expects me to use it.
I am glad to hear something positive from you. Be more careful about speaking the negative... for your own sake.No, not at all, and i truly hope that all those people are correct, and God is walking with them and helping them along their way. For they are doing a thousand times better than I am. I say this, sincerely, to my discredit.
It's extremely inspiring to hear of stories when the promises of God, are fulfilled in people's lives. Everyone rejoices (everyone = true Christians).
I just hope that the promises are not making some over eager?
...and why would I take you seriously, one who professes a god-man?
Brother I know that long ago when I began reducing the number of my posts this was without a doubt a major part of the reason.forever means eternal to ppl who are hoping to become immortal maybe, yeh
i have only just recently discovered that i have virtually no idea what i am talking about most of the time lol
No one is denying the salvific works of Christ. But, I profoundly deny the implausible nonsense about him. In other words, his alleged eternality is not requisite for salvation, ...it actually denies it. For, one cannot even find such a phrase in scripture, especially when Paul expounds on the principle of the atonement i.e. man for man.Use those wits my friend, but if you depend only on them for your final conclusion may you not find yourself in trouble with God? God knows exactly what He has provided each of us and expects us to use that provision for His glory. Consider what His glory is! Atheists have used only their wits as well. What is the difference between you and them? Consider your answer carefully!
The Way a person comes to higher place is by taking always the lowest place. Then it is God that does any lifting. Over the years I lifted myself a lot and got into a lot of trouble. As I humbled myself and was finally sitting beside the pastor they let go on him, the pastor that is. I could have conceded their victory, gone with them and retained a position... but to do so I would have lost out with God. That was over a year ago and in spite of the years I spent in that place waiting on God, He said to give it all up, to surrender and I did. Back down to the very lowest room, all alone perhaps often as men see it, but always with God.
"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11
Has God lifted me up? Oh yes! Never in all of my years, [and some of them I thought were good ones], have I found such high places in God! Bragging? No, I would have not told this much now but you were pressing people here to let up and travel along the ways that you have decided through your experience in the flesh and through the conclusions obtained through your studies and logic. God pressed me to open my mouth.
Give God any glory for what I said right and lay on me any blame for any errors found in my words.
Again...
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Prov 14:12
"And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt 4:19
"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22
Who are the dead?
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Gen 3:6
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56
No matter what others may say, [believe me if you will], ultimately the Life is not in the bread made from grain nor in the drink made from grapes. Even some who really are eating and drinking of Him still do not understand this!