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understand something mark, no disrespect, but the apostles and the disciples understood that God is a "Diversity" of himself in flesh, meaning that he's a plurality of his OWNSELF, better known as the "Offspring". that's the information that you're not understanding. as Philippians 2:6 makes it clear as day who the Lord Jesus is as the "Diversity"/plurality of God in flesh. listen, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". but wait a minute, God don't have an EQUAL, do he?, yes, his "diversified" or equally "shared" self in flesh. he his ownself "shared" in flesh. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". ok marks who , yes, "who" is God's OWN "ARM?". let the bible speak,
Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (STOP, God's "ARM" is a he, him? yes as the Greeks define this as G243 Allos..."ANOTHER" of one self .... NUMERICALLY. my source for this definition is the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, it will give you a good study, and knowledge of how God can be a plurality, of himself and yet ONE PERSON.)
Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
now you know who these verses is speaking of. but remember he's God's OWN ARM. God don't have physical "Arms" legs, or feet as a Spirit, (because he don't need them), so we use a term what is called anthropomorphism, meaning the attribution of human form or behavior is given to a deity to understand its actions. God did not separate or divide himself into three person as distinct. no, that's polytheism, nor did he just switch hats, or roles, no, that's modalism. no he shared himself equally in flesh and G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself in that flesh in order to be in likeness as a man as Philippians 2:7 states. "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men".
this understanding was given unto me by God, as he gave it unto his chosen apostles, and disciples. this is no joke, that's why we catch people in errors so much. the scriptures don't lie. onece God taught me this, that's why, in him, I'm confortant in what I speak concering the scriptures. as said am I 100% correct on everything?... no, so I keep my mouth closed when I don't know something, and learn from others. I can only speak what God gave me. as Isaiah said, "who has BELIEVED our report.
but re-read what was posted and study it.
PICJAG.
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Yes. John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
All you said about what comes with it...maybe it is His will.
hope so Matthew 16:24-25 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. [25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Countless passages of laying down your life. But does it always have to be physically killed? 1 Corinthians 13:3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Galatians 5:24-26 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. —John 6:51 the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 13:37-38 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake. [38] Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
a lot you said in your previous post about power given... “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.” I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
—John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Waiting on him
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Yes I was doing a study this morning and found this, could be all wrong,
שׁלם שׁלום
shâlôm shâlôm
shaw-lome', shaw-lome'
From H7999; safe, that is, (figuratively) well, happy, friendly; also (abstractly) welfare, that is, health, prosperity, peace
Greek: Σαλώμη
Transliteration: Salōmē
Pronunciation: sal-o'-may
Definition: Probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from [H7965]);
Salome (that is Shelomah) an Israelitess: - Salome.
But it does actually say probably, not definitely.
@Willie T If one is seeking the truth, would not one be better off seeking the one who is the truth?? Why is it learned men refuse Him
I stand at the door knocking
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
thats why the fooilsh virgins lamps are empty.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
God bless
I stand at the door knocking
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
thats why the fooilsh virgins lamps are empty.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
God bless
Stumpmaster
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Here's a verse that identifies Jesus Christ as God who is the One and Only Almighty.
Rev 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
PICJAG is an acronym 101G uses to sign off with on a number of forums. From memory i think it means "PEACE IN CHRIST JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD".
If Jesus was God, than this is an issue.
Joh_13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
why would God need to Give Himself everything He already has, and
Luk 20:41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
so than how can Jesus be God when He is siting on the right Hand of God... Jesus was the first of many, there will only ever be one God.
Joh_13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
why would God need to Give Himself everything He already has, and
Luk 20:41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
so than how can Jesus be God when He is siting on the right Hand of God... Jesus was the first of many, there will only ever be one God.
GINOLJC, to all.
As i was looking over some of the the last post, I'm encourage that people are thinking on the things of God which are Great, for in doing so we invite God almighty himself into the Conversation. and I would like to point this out to all posters, readers and just the curious, listen real Good.
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." (did one grasp what is being said here by almighty God? if we just even think of God, and having God on our minds, God remembers it. and to fear him is a blessing why? Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." (thank God for these christian forums. and thak God for all the posters.)
Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him."
(this is an offer one cannot refuse)
Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
if one have a bible software program, you might want to bookmark these scriptures in a reminder of God holy words of promise here. he don't lie.
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Now unto the seven letters of the seven Churches, Chapter 2 & 3, but before we start, we would like to open with something that has intrested me for years. it could be nothing, but years ago when studing Revelation this which we about to state just stayed in my spirit. it's about the opeaning of each of the 7 letters to the churches. here it is, see if you spot what I have spotted, as said, it could be nothing. and if significant hopefully we can discuss it. I have color coded what to spot.
Revelation 2:1 "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks”;
Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive”.
Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges”
Revelation 2:18 "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass”
Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead”.
Revelation 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth”.
Revelation 3:14 "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
what I have color coded is the "first" and the "Last" churches are "of" the location, while the rest are "in" these locations. but what's intresting is this, the churches "of" These locations are the "First" and the "Last" churches addressed. and the Lord jesus is the "First" and the "Last" himself. now as said, if this is significant in anyway I have not yet seen it. maybe someone else has. but this nothing to go after, if one choses not to. but it stuck in my spirit as intresting. so if there are some who are intrested, this is something to chew on before we look at the seven letters.
PICJAG.
As i was looking over some of the the last post, I'm encourage that people are thinking on the things of God which are Great, for in doing so we invite God almighty himself into the Conversation. and I would like to point this out to all posters, readers and just the curious, listen real Good.
Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." (did one grasp what is being said here by almighty God? if we just even think of God, and having God on our minds, God remembers it. and to fear him is a blessing why? Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." (thank God for these christian forums. and thak God for all the posters.)
Malachi 3:17 "And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him."
(this is an offer one cannot refuse)
Malachi 3:18 "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
if one have a bible software program, you might want to bookmark these scriptures in a reminder of God holy words of promise here. he don't lie.
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Now unto the seven letters of the seven Churches, Chapter 2 & 3, but before we start, we would like to open with something that has intrested me for years. it could be nothing, but years ago when studing Revelation this which we about to state just stayed in my spirit. it's about the opeaning of each of the 7 letters to the churches. here it is, see if you spot what I have spotted, as said, it could be nothing. and if significant hopefully we can discuss it. I have color coded what to spot.
Revelation 2:1 "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks”;
Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive”.
Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges”
Revelation 2:18 "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass”
Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead”.
Revelation 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth”.
Revelation 3:14 "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
what I have color coded is the "first" and the "Last" churches are "of" the location, while the rest are "in" these locations. but what's intresting is this, the churches "of" These locations are the "First" and the "Last" churches addressed. and the Lord jesus is the "First" and the "Last" himself. now as said, if this is significant in anyway I have not yet seen it. maybe someone else has. but this nothing to go after, if one choses not to. but it stuck in my spirit as intresting. so if there are some who are intrested, this is something to chew on before we look at the seven letters.
PICJAG.
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20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Remember the temple, the Menorah, the lamp stand with 7 lamps on a single base.
Israel was a single nation with a visable connection to each other, and this was God's light in the world. Now, the churches are the lights, though you cannot see what makes them one. Before you could, now you cannot. What was material in the Old Covenant is spiritual in the New.
Much love!
Remember the temple, the Menorah, the lamp stand with 7 lamps on a single base.
Israel was a single nation with a visable connection to each other, and this was God's light in the world. Now, the churches are the lights, though you cannot see what makes them one. Before you could, now you cannot. What was material in the Old Covenant is spiritual in the New.
Much love!
You may want to re-look at this . . .
This shows the construction of the address to Ephesus, using the genetive case, "of Ephesus".
Same with Laodicea.
Same with Smyrna.
Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philedelphia, all these are "in".
So there are 7, and these 7 divide into 4, and 3, in this way, a pattern that we will see reflected throughout this Book.
If you lay out in a table all the elements of these letters, you will see this 3/4 pattern in a number of ways.
Much love!
Edit to add . . . interlinear is from Scripture4all.org
Waiting on him said: ↑
Yes I was doing a study this morning and found this, could be all wrong,
שׁלם שׁלום
shâlôm shâlôm
shaw-lome', shaw-lome'
From H7999; safe, that is, (figuratively) well, happy, friendly; also (abstractly) welfare, that is, health, prosperity, peace
Greek: Σαλώμη
Transliteration: Salōmē
Pronunciation: sal-o'-may
Definition: Probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from [H7965]);
Salome (that is Shelomah) an Israelitess: - Salome.
But it does actually say probably, not definitely.
but I did a little more digging based on what Waiting on him said. according to Dodson dictionary which is only with greek definitions. it states, Salome (i.e. Shelomah), an Israelitess
Derivation: probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from H7965). Dodson states it's the feminine for the Masculine (Shelomah) who is better known as "Solomon", David son.
so Waiting on him is correct by saying ..."probably, not definitely". and from the research below I see what Waiting on him is saying.
well, well, well, we all learn something new every day.....
just a little research will reward us with a blessing. thanks Waiting on him, good point. here is the research I did below.
Dodson:
Σαλώμη
Salome
Salome, wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John, the apostles.
Strong's:
Σαλώμη
Salome (i.e. Shelomah), an Israelitess
Derivation: probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from H7965);
KJV Usage: Salome.
H8010 שְׁלֹמֹה Shlomoh (shel-o-mo') n/p.
1. (meaning) peaceful.
2. (person) Shelomah (Solomon), David's successor.
[from H7965]
KJV: Solomon.
Root(s): H7965
See also: H94
H7965
TBESG:
Σαλώμη
Salome
N:N-F-P
Σαλώμη, -ης, ἡ
(< Heb. שָׁלוֹם),
Salome: Refs.†
(AS)
Thayer:
1) the wife of Zebedee and the mother of the apostle James the elder and John
Literal: Salome = "peaceful"
Σαλώμη
Salōmē
sal-o'-may
Probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from [H7965]); Salome (that is, Shelomah), an Israelitess
KJV Usage: Salome.
PICJAG.
Yes I was doing a study this morning and found this, could be all wrong,
שׁלם שׁלום
shâlôm shâlôm
shaw-lome', shaw-lome'
From H7999; safe, that is, (figuratively) well, happy, friendly; also (abstractly) welfare, that is, health, prosperity, peace
Greek: Σαλώμη
Transliteration: Salōmē
Pronunciation: sal-o'-may
Definition: Probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from [H7965]);
Salome (that is Shelomah) an Israelitess: - Salome.
But it does actually say probably, not definitely.
yes, it's intresting, for i was like you willie, so I did a little digging myself, and ran across this. Judges 6:24 "Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovahshalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites". here it is used as the God of PEACE
but I did a little more digging based on what Waiting on him said. according to Dodson dictionary which is only with greek definitions. it states, Salome (i.e. Shelomah), an Israelitess
Derivation: probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from H7965). Dodson states it's the feminine for the Masculine (Shelomah) who is better known as "Solomon", David son.
so Waiting on him is correct by saying ..."probably, not definitely". and from the research below I see what Waiting on him is saying.
well, well, well, we all learn something new every day.....
just a little research will reward us with a blessing. thanks Waiting on him, good point. here is the research I did below.Dodson:
Σαλώμη
Salome
Salome, wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John, the apostles.
Strong's:
Σαλώμη
Salome (i.e. Shelomah), an Israelitess
Derivation: probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from H7965);
KJV Usage: Salome.
H8010 שְׁלֹמֹה Shlomoh (shel-o-mo') n/p.
1. (meaning) peaceful.
2. (person) Shelomah (Solomon), David's successor.
[from H7965]
KJV: Solomon.
Root(s): H7965
See also: H94
H7965
TBESG:
Σαλώμη
Salome
N:N-F-P
Σαλώμη, -ης, ἡ
(< Heb. שָׁלוֹם),
Salome: Refs.†
(AS)
Thayer:
1) the wife of Zebedee and the mother of the apostle James the elder and John
Literal: Salome = "peaceful"
Σαλώμη
Salōmē
sal-o'-may
Probably of Hebrew origin (feminine from [H7965]); Salome (that is, Shelomah), an Israelitess
KJV Usage: Salome.
PICJAG.
Yes, I know this, this is why he uses 7 as a complete. and in your other post I'm looking at right now. good research I commend you.
PICJAG.
Here is another example . . .
In the closing, what is promised to the overcomer:
Ephesus - To him that overcometh will I give
Smyrna - He that overcometh shall not be
Pergamos - To him that overcometh will I give
Thyatira - to him will I give
Sardis - He that overcometh, the same shall be
Philedelphia - Him that overcometh will I make
Laodicea - To him that overcometh will I grant (same word as "give")
Ephesus, Pergamos, Thyatira, Laodicea, "will I give". Remainder are different.
Much love!
Been studying this for a long time! Good stuff! We just need to check our ideas at the door while we just take it all in.
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Now this is what a GOOD christian in Christ Jesus is about. agreed, as God said, let us reason "together". if you don't mind, lets table this "of" and "in" for a few, and if you will open up with the first letter in chapter 2.
Thanks
PICJAG.
That pattern I'm talking about is where we see 7 like things, in this case, seven churches, and four are treated in one manner, and 3 are treated in another manner.
Another example is the seven trumpets. Three of them are called "woes", 4 are not. There are many many examples of this throughout the book.
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