ScottA
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Not just John, but to any and all past, present, and future. John was an apostle sent to "all nations" (all people)...the revelation is for all.
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Would you like me to send you one of the most comprehensive commentaries of the Book of Revelation ever written? (If so, just PM me an email address to send it to.)
And, of course there are many historical writings of those times... all over the web.
Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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I think even the names of the specific towns they ran to are listed somewhere in the Bible.
Well, no, the renewal of the Covenant spoken about in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was not the Abrahamic Covenant but rather it was the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and my Possession among the Nations Covenant that as the passage clearly below tells us was originally made after God brought Israel out of Egypt. The passage below
Jeremiah 31:31-34: - 31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Now the portion in blue does not reflect the meaning of the Hebrew Text in this passage. It is my understanding from the KJV interlinear that it would read like this: -
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: a covenant like new again/renewed
Lamentations 5:21 certainly speaks about Israel being renewed once again after a period of two days of the Lord/ages/generations: -
Lamentations 5:19-22: -
19 You, O Lord, remain forever;
Your throne from generation to generation.
20 Why do You forget us forever,
And forsake us for so long a time?
21 Turn us back to You, O Lord, and we will be restored;
Renew our days as of old,
22 Unless You have utterly rejected us,
And are very angry with us!
Your throne from generation to generation.
20 Why do You forget us forever,
And forsake us for so long a time?
21 Turn us back to You, O Lord, and we will be restored;
Renew our days as of old,
22 Unless You have utterly rejected us,
And are very angry with us!
I could respond with smart answer like, "I understood this from reading the Bible.", but you are wanting to know how the scriptures lead me to this understanding.
The question we must ask ourselves is when did the Gentile language begin to have an impact on the understanding on Israel? The answer is when the LXX first began to be translated in Greek. The following link Septuagint - Wikipedia tells us that the LXX was written sometime in the third century BC with a definitive indications as follows: -
The full title (Ancient Greek: Ἡ μετάφρασις τῶν Ἑβδομήκοντα, lit. 'The Translation of the Seventy') derives from the story recorded in the Letter of Aristeas that the Hebrew Torah was translated into Greek at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–247 BCE) by 70 Jewish scholars or, according to later tradition, 72: six scholars from each of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, who independently produced identical translations.
From my research, I would suggest that the influence of the Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary of God and His Hosts, began around the year 250 BC which is about the time period of when the translation of the Greek text of the Hebrew scriptures began.
Paul in Romans 11:25-26 tells us when translated without bias, that when the fullness in time of the Heathen Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary of God and His Hosts, the Israelites, is completed, that all of Israel will be saved.
Jesus in Matthew 24:32 said: -
Matthew 24:32-33: - 32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
Now unpacking this single verse by itself without contamination from other verses around it, we can discern the message given in this verse.
Metaphorically, the Fig Tree is a reference to the reappearance of Israel as a nation in 1948 when some of Abraham's descendants return to the place where Abraham was living when he was given this prophecy, in their own strength in an attempt to get Closer to God in the mistaken belief that the Land of Canaan was still theirs to possess, and by occupying the land, they were forcing God to act in their favour once more. However, the land had become an idol for the Israelites just as in Jeremiah's day, the Temple was also their idol that they worshipped.
Now from a farmers point of view, when do fig trees begin to bud new leaves, at the beginning of the Spring, and sometimes because of the weather, it can be an early spring, before the end of the Winter Season. In the verse it tells us that when the spring starts that we know within 91 plus days, that the Summer Season of Harvest will begin, when God tells us that He will gather the descendants of Israel to Himself to redeem then and to teach them about the Kingdom of God and His redemption plan for the peoples of the earth. This is where Jeremiah 31:31-34 comes into play.
Now using the above information and a year for a day, in the tradition of Daniel, to calculate when the anticipated end of this present age will be using both pieces of information, Armageddon will occur sometime between 2040-2050 AD where we could average this to 2045 ± 5 years which is around in 25 years' time give or take a year or two or three.
To be continued: -
Mike Waters
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7 pages in 24 hrs seems to confirm the following extract found via Google search.
Revelation has been loved and hated by Christians and has served as a paradise for those who give their own peculiar interpretation to the symbols of the text. Yet it has also been rejected by many Christians as either confusing or unintelligible. Caird sums up the situation well when he says: “In modern times scores of such diverse commentaries have been written on it that readers have wondered whether they are discussing the same book”
Waiting on him
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You have to admit that it’s intriguing, in the acts the church part all their goods and no man has need of anything, years later Paul is taking up collections to sustain the church in Jerusalem.
That is why I suggest (before any others) this one particular and specific book.
Suggesting? No, no suggestions. I quoted some verses and asked some questions. Do you have definitive answers to my questions? I am not sure that I do...?
Very good, sister! Doubtless power is available! Why should we doubt that it is so? Do we believe God? Do we believe what is written in the Bible was written by men inspired by God to write it? Do we all correctly understand what is written in the Bible?
And do we all take context into account when quoting from Scripture? There is a lot of confusion created by failing to take that into account.
Hi amadeus,
I think it is answered in Philippians, literally, "I am strong in the one enabling me - Christ"
The power we receive is Jesus' power, His ability, so that we can live our faith through love.
Much love!
A word about the book I mentioned: It's virtually useless to you if you don't read it.
While I agree that context can make a difference, the deciding factor is in the hands of God. No matter what our personal opinion or take is, the answer is always God's. He does reveal it to us at times when it is according to His time!
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Waiting on him
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Context has always befuddled me. I was reading earlier of the sons of Zebedee in MATTHEW Jesus has the twelve with Him, in the next verse says John and James come to Him with Their mother???
I believe harmony should also be a consideration due to the fact He operates outside of time.
I agree, but if you stand too firm on actually having power equal to the power Jesus had, be ready to be persecuted as Jesus was persecuted. Yes, he was persecuted, but his power was such that they could not even take his physical life against his will. He had to lay it down and did so. Are we up to doing the same if we are called upon by God to do it? I do believe that the man Jesus, as a man, did not want to suffer and die. Neither do I want to suffer and die. Jesus talked his Father about it this way:
"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39
Jesus yielded to the will of God, even though it was opposed to the will of the man, Jesus.
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