All Israel will be saved

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First thought should be ,who is Israel,some people seem to think Israel are just Jew's and no matter what thy will be saved,that's false.Nobody and I mean nobody will be saved just because.

There are two houses Israel AND Judah,who may I remind you at one time were at war with each other.

Now I wanna start this from the beginning

There are two tree's you and I belong to one

Only a Christian can be deceived as the rest of the world already are...
 
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First thought should be ,who is Israel,some people seem to think Israel are just Jew's and no matter what thy will be saved,that's false.Nobody and I mean nobody will be saved just because.

There are two houses Israel AND Judah,who may I remind you at one time were at war with each other.

Now I wanna start this from the beginning

There are two tree's you and I belong to one

Only a Christian can be deceived as the rest of the world already are...
Actually there are 12, only Judah and Benjamin where left in Israel the other 10 where spread throughout the world, but they will return as prophesied.
 

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Actually there are 12, only Judah and Benjamin where left in Israel the other 10 where spread throughout the world, but they will return as prophesied.

Judah did return,that's the fig tree ,however they returned with the bad figs as well.That nation state should had been named Judah,the bad figs are those who are running that country now
 
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Judah did return,that's the fig tree ,however they returned with the bad figs as well.That nation state should had been named Judah,the bad figs are those who are running that country now
I would agree a better Name would be the State of Judah. but that would expose it for what it truly is. and the simple minded would be perplexed as to what Israel is, I don't know how many times that I have to say it to so called Christians, who just will not listen and flat out reject that Jesus is the Christ!
If anyone claims that the State is Israel, they are of Satan ! because such a one is clearly rejecting Jesus as the Christ, they are clearly looking for another in fact ! Jesus is clearly not good enough for such poor bastards.
Even the Devout Jews do not claim it to be Israel, it's only yobbos who make such a silly claim or Satanist clearly, no one could be so ignorant. or do they have two masters ? it's clear to me that they are totally rejecting Jesus Christ.
When you talk to such people they get all wound up and rant or they just turn off rejecting Jesus.
Jesus is hear now and always The Kingdom of God is what ? what did Jesus say about this ? within your Grasp ! I think that n2thelight knows the verses on all this.
Oh one thing you need the Holy Spirit to understand such.
Not to mention that if you do not have the Holy Spirit you will never know the Kingdom of God.
Clearly there is a vast gulf between those who are truly born again and they who are not.

The ones who peddle end of times are clearly not saved because they wish Hell to come on the people for the coming, for if they truly knew the Lord Jesus then they would know, that it is within ones grasp to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Bible tells us who can not enter into the Kingdom of God, why don't Priest point this out nowadays, maybe they will offend some poor bastard, but what I am more interested with is the ones that could of been Saved that they have turned their backs on. Free will ? well a Bastard is free to go his own way.
If a Priest sides with the bastards in this world, he is truly a bastard.
 

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I don't know how many times that I have to say it to so called Christians, who just will not listen and flat out reject that Jesus is the Christ!

They think they gonna be saved just because,they think Jew's are special,my point is NOBODY will be saved just because,don't care who you are!!!!!

As a matter of fact all Israel are not just Jew's.If one would only look at scripture they would see who and where the rest of the tribes are.....
 
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If one claimed to be a Jew, one would have to abide in Holy Moses and if one truly did as such, well then they would be on the path to Jesus Christ.
But the problem nowadays as to the Jews, the same deal is hindering them poor devout Jews as it always was, the Satanic dogs are at work in leading them all astray, just as we see that the same is at hand with Christianity and the world.
Just look at the bastardisation that is at hand nowadays. If we were to go back in a time machine say to 1960 say and brought people from 1960 to 2020 they would do a back flip in just seeing the moral decay, not to mention the churches moral decay that has been lead by Satan, you will know them by their works, someone said ? I wonder who that was ;).
 

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Nobody could keep the law in the flesh,that's why we needed Christ,and for them 2 reject Him and still feel entitled is beyond my comprehension ,Christians are Abrahams seed which brings us to the Christians nations,who are Israel.

Scripture tells me that Israel would be a company of nations.

kenite occupied Israel is not it,yet when one speaks about this we labeled as anti-semetic
 
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There are two houses Israel AND Judah,who may I remind you at one time were at war with each other.

Now I wanna start this from the beginning

There are two tree's you and I belong to one

Both houses were present together before the Babylonian captivity. 2 Chronicles gives ample examples of many of the Northern tribes who wanted to remain faithful to the Lord migrated south and joined with the southern tribes. One of those migrations over 100 years after Sargon of Assyria captured the northern kingdom. So that is evidence that Sargon did not scatter the northern kingdom about.

When Ezra brought back his remnant from Babylon, he called them Jews 9 times and Israel 40 times.

When Nehemiah brought back his remnant from Babylon, he called them Jews 11 times and Israel 22 times.

Yeshua said that it was both houses that rejected Him to cause Him to return to His place. Likewise, it will be both houses combined that will be required to acknowledge that offense and petition for His return before He will...

Hosea 5:14-15 (NKJV) For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
And like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, even I, will tear them and go away;
I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.

Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me."

"they" is both houses. So both houses were present in the land when Yeshua was here based on the above. 4 tribes are specifically referred to in the NT, one of them, Asher, is of the northern kingdom.

While we have been grafted in to the blessings of Israel thru the Messiah, that doesn't make us physical Israel or Jews that rejected Messiah and need to acknowledge that offense and petition for His return. Paul is pretty clear about that.

And the proof that those grafted into the blessings of Jacob/Israel are NOT Judah and Israel is shown in the Hosea passage above. The same people of Ephraim (Israel) and Judah that rejected Messiah will be the same people of Ephraim and Judah that must acknowledge that offense and seek Him. And in the "time of Jacob's trouble" in their affliction they will seek Him.

Matthew 23:37-39 (NKJV) "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!'"

Just like the Lord has always kept a faithful remnant of Jacob/Israel, there are those of Jacob/Israel who have accepted Yeshua as the Messiah and are true Israel, but that doesn't make all who come to faith in Messiah "true Israel". And it doesn't negate that physical Jacob/Israel will still have to acknowledge its offense of rejecting Yeshua and petition for His return before He will. It is the primary reason that Satan has exerted so much effort to eradicate the Jewish people over the centuries. Unfortunately, the "church" has been a party to this at times. Mostly guided by theology that states the "church" has replaced Israel or is the "true Israel" and those who claim to be Jews and Israel are imposters.
 
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Mostly guided by theology that states the "church" has replaced Israel or is the "true Israel" and those who claim to be Jews and Israel are imposters.

This is a smokescreen to raise up an identity over Christ. It is as if Jesus never came in the flesh. That is the present Jewish position and this resonates with all they who reject Christ.

They who see Israel over Christ are false Christians and should be exposed as such.
 
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First thought should be ,who is Israel,some people seem to think Israel are just Jew's and no matter what thy will be saved,that's false.Nobody and I mean nobody will be saved just because.
The Bible is pretty clear on that. God's promise to Abraham in the Old Covenant was the Land of Israel was given to Abraham and his seed [not some of his seed] forever. It is an eternal Covenant.

"For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so ** *ALL *** all Israel will be saved; just as it is written Rom 11:26


“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” Isaiah 59:20

“This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins. (Romans 11:25-27)

Isaiah 45:17 Israel has been saved by the LORD With an everlasting salvation; You will not be put to shame or humiliated To all eternity.

Isaiah 45:25“In the LORD ***ALL*** the offspring of Israel Will be justified, and will glory.”
 
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This is a smokescreen to raise up an identity over Christ. It is as if Jesus never came in the flesh. That is the present Jewish position and this resonates with all they who reject Christ.

They who see Israel over Christ are false Christians and should be exposed as such.

Not sure I have read of anyone putting Israel over Christ here. Might have missed it.

Of course, Israel is blinded in this present time, and the rabbis and such will spew a lot of nonsense. Paul made a point to say so. But likewise, all the prophets and Paul stated there would be a restoration of Jacob/Israel. The scales will come off their eyes. And then Hosea 5 will be fulfilled when Jacob/Israel recognizes its offense of rejecting Yeshua, turns to Him, and petitions for His return. And then all Jacob/Israel as a corporate body will be saved. There will be those within that body who will not individually be saved, as Ezekiel 20 points out. Those will be separated out per Zeke.

And the nations will gathered and judged, according to Matthew 25 and Joel 3, on how they treated Jacob/Israel. Seems to be the major condition that determines those who are fit for destruction and those who will be redeemed at that time.

That alone should give anyone pause about condemning the Jewish people and Israel, or placing themselves above Israel. Even Paul wished himself cursed if it would lead to the redemption and restoration of his brethren, Israel. He recognized it had to happen if the scripture and promises of the Lord were to be realized.
 
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Not sure I have read of anyone putting Israel over Christ here. Might have missed it.

Of course, Israel is blinded in this present time, and the rabbis and such will spew a lot of nonsense. Paul made a point to say so. But likewise, all the prophets and Paul stated there would be a restoration of Jacob/Israel. The scales will come off their eyes. And then Hosea 5 will be fulfilled when Jacob/Israel recognizes its offense of rejecting Yeshua, turns to Him, and petitions for His return. And then all Jacob/Israel as a corporate body will be saved. There will be those within that body who will not individually be saved, as Ezekiel 20 points out. Those will be separated out per Zeke.

And the nations will gathered and judged, according to Matthew 25 and Joel 3, on how they treated Jacob/Israel. Seems to be the major condition that determines those who are fit for destruction and those who will be redeemed at that time.

That alone should give anyone pause about condemning the Jewish people and Israel, or placing themselves above Israel. Even Paul wished himself cursed if it would lead to the redemption and restoration of his brethren, Israel. He recognized it had to happen if the scripture and promises of the Lord were to be realized.


You just confirmed my first diagnosis. Do you realize that Christ is over Israel...I mean really? You may not realize what you are actually doing after all.
 
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You just confirmed my first diagnosis. Do you realize that Christ is over Israel...I mean really? You may not realize what you are actually doing after all.

I think we are talking past each other and not speaking of the same thing. Of course Messiah will be over Israel in the authority of David the king as per the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7 and confirmed to Mary by Gabriel. That will happen when Messiah returns and restores the kingdom of Israel. But I have been talking about Christians being elect and Israel being elect. Two unique elect groups, elect for different reasons, each with different purposes and destinies.

And Israel is elect as a corporate body because of the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but that doesn't mean everyone of Israel is justified. Believers are elect individually because they are in Messiah and justified.

So, doctor (?), I would say your diagnosis is flawed.
 
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I think we are talking past each other and not speaking of the same thing. Of course Messiah will be over Israel in the authority of David the king as per the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7 and confirmed to Mary by Gabriel. That will happen when Messiah returns and restores the kingdom of Israel. But I have been talking about Christians being elect and Israel being elect. Two unique elect groups, elect for different reasons, each with different purposes and destinies.

So, doctor (?), I would say your diagnosis is flawed.


Funny! Actually you need another opinion here. There is but one bride. It is the Messianic heresy that separates Israel from all they who are in Christ. The Messianics try to peddle the 2 bride scenario whereby the Jews are permanently ruling over the nations in the next age. But this is to draw...again...Israel over Christ. All who are in Christ are above they who in the flesh...both Jew or Gentile. There is no respect of persons with God. Unlike people who like to exalt themselves over others. So this is just a simple pride thing.

Many that are of the nations now will be part of the bride...the new Jerusalem...and reign over the Jews who will be relegated to the nations...or worse. Of course the Jews who are in Christ are co-equal with any other who is in Christ. In Christ there is no distinction.

So you will have to decide...which I think you have already done...which is greater Christ or Israel? If Christ then Jews will serve the Gentile saints in the next age. If Israel is above Christ then all Gentiles will serve the Jews in the next age.
Are you a product of Christ or Jewish propaganda?
 
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There is but one bride. It is the Messianic heresy that separates Israel from all they who are in Christ.

There is indeed one bride, those who are in Christ. But Israel is the wife of Yahweh and will be restored. The Prophets write about that. You are mixing things.

And regarding being restored, it is as an earthly kingdom restoration. The Bride of Messiah will rule with Messiah, but they do not make up the earthly kingdom, they rule over it.

The disciples understood this when they asked Yeshua before He ascended if now would be the time that the kingdom is restored to Israel. Yeshua did not dismiss the idea, only told them that it was within the Father's timing when it would happen.
 
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In Christ there is no distinction.

True, but the operative words are "in Christ". Given that sin will still be present in then future kingdom on earth, that even death would still be present, and that there will be a final rebellion against Messiah as told in Revelation 20 and Psalms 2, it is pretty evident that not all in the kingdom will be "in Christ".
 

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So you will have to decide...which I think you have already done...which is greater Christ or Israel? If Christ then Jews will serve the Gentile saints in the next age. If Israel is above Christ then all Gentiles will serve the Jews in the next age.
Are you a product of Christ or Jewish propaganda?

Well, since the promise of the land to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has never been fully realized in history, if the Lord is true to His Word, then Israel has to be restored and that would include all the land promised to Abraham. Folks today argue about the West Bank, but that is regarding the West Bank of the Jordan River. The land promise goes all the way to the West Bank of the Euphrates River in Iraq. A lot more than the UN or anyone else realizes.

And it is on the land promise that Israel will be restored and living during the Messianic Kingdom on earth. Also, the nations will be required to come to Jerusalem at the Feast of Tabernacles and for other reasons or suffer some stiff penalties. The Temple will be rebuilt and administered by Israel as per the Covenant also. Good ol' Zeke spent 8 chapters in his book just on that topic. Messiah will be King over Israel and the Bride of Messiah will rule with a rod of iron along with Him over all the earth. Revelation 2:26-27.

Jacob/Israel will not serve the nations. They will serve the King. The nations will be required to come to Jerusalem and worship and honor the King. Your idea of Christ being greater means that Israel will serve the Gentile saints is faulty to an extreme. Back to your comment regarding "in Christ" there are no Gentile or Jewish saints that make up the unique body and bride of Messiah. Those distinctions are erased. And I never said or implied one time that Israel was above Christ, but the nations will be required to serve the Jewish Messiah and come to Israel periodically. So one could say that the nations will serve Jacob/Israel in the next age. After all, that is the kingdom with the Lion of the Tribe of Judah as King over it and that is where the Temple will be located.

Zechariah 8:23 (NKJV) "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"

Decision has already been made. I don't have to decide.
 
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Your idea of Christ being greater means that Israel will serve the Gentile saints is faulty to an extreme.

You are inventing fables of what I'm saying and this shows through. The Gentiles and Jews in Christ ARE Israel...the Israel of God. There is no difference based on DNA. You are stuck in the natural and are not taking into account the will of God nor what is spiritual and eternal in nature. Ethnicity is NOT eternal....so you have completely missed the meaning of the bible. Jesus is NOT an eternal Jew. A Chinese person is NOT eternally Chinese.....and a woman is NOT an eternal woman.

So you have a superficial understanding so far of prophetic things. You are following a ready made (man made) religious ideology....fully outside the truth.

Israel is indeed the bride of Christ. But Israel...the eternal kind....the Israel of God....is made up of every nation, tribe and tongue. More like the foreign legion then an ethnic army. That is the will of God....if not racists and ethnicists.
 
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Nope. I do not buy into Supersessionism, Two House theology, and other such ideas.