Faithful and Just to Forgive . . .

[CharismaticLady]

Nothing Im not concerned with Sin, discovered that one years ago while lying in a bath tub would you believe. The only one who need men to be concerned with sin is satan, as that is what keeps people from faith and from Christ. Who told you, you where naked.

Why did you post Romans 7:25 to begin with, if it is "nothing"? Do you still sin, but just aren't worried about it anymore. Is that what Jesus did for you, or more.

 

[mjrhealth]

Why did you post Romans 7:25 to begin with, if it is "nothing"? Do you still sin, but just aren't worried about it anymore. Is that what Jesus did for you, or more.

Our flesh will always sin ,and one who says his flesh does not is a liar, and what has Jesus got to do with our flesh, it isnt what Jesus came to save.

You can sit here and argue with God all day about your sin, and every time He looks at you through Christ, He will say what Sin... All I see is the righteousness of my Son Jesus. Than the religious will step in and cry. So you have an excuse to sin??As if they ever needed one and so condemn themselves.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Our flesh will always sin ,and one who says his flesh does not is a liar, and what has Jesus got to do with our flesh, it isnt what Jesus came to save.

You can sit here and argue with God all day about your sin, and every time He looks at you through Christ, He will say what Sin... All I see is the righteousness of my Son Jesus. Than the religious will step in and cry. So you have an excuse to sin??As if they ever needed one and so condemn themselves.

Jesus came to take away our sin, not to just cover it up with His blood so the Father doesn't see it. If we sin in the flesh, we are a slave to sin. What it means that Jesus condemned sin in the flesh is that we are no longer bound to our carnal flesh, but are free to walk in the Spirit and actually be holy, not just wear an invisibility cloak.

I'm sorry but go take a bath again, and come up with a true doctrine because what you believe is one of the doctrines of demons. Your eternal life depends on it, especially if you teach others your doctrine.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Good night all.

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus came to take away our sin, not to just cover it up with His blood so the Father doesn't see it. If we sin in the flesh, we are a slave to sin. What it means that Jesus condemned sin in the flesh is that we are no longer bound to our carnal flesh, but are free to walk in the Spirit and actually be holy, not just wear an invisibility cloak.

I'm sorry but go take a bath again, and come up with a true doctrine because what you believe is one of the doctrines of demons. Your eternal life depends on it, especially if you teach others your doctrine.

If you truly believe that, than who is going to save you... you cant save yourself.

 

[Davy]

Are you ready for some advanced theology? All the apostles were Jews and wrote with Hebrew writing styles. One of those styles is called contrasts. That is what John uses in 1 John 1 and 1 John 3. Here is the part of 1 John 1:5-10 that are contrasts.

5 God is light
6 If we walk in darkness
7 If we walk in the light
8 If we say we have no sin
9 If we confess our sin God cleanses us of all unrighteousness
10 If we say we have never sinned.

The black commit sins but say they don't. They walk in darkness. Haven't you ever wondered by John separated 8 and 10 when they just about say the same thing? Style!

Interesting that you claim I don't understand 1 John 3:9 but fail to give your understanding. If you want to insert "practice" in that verse, that is not accurate. Commit means even once.

Did the Hyper-Grace movement teach you that lie, or did you just make that all up this moment? I think you made that up. The idea of contrast is used often in the Old Testament Books, so nothing new there. And Apostle John is speaking ALL those verses to believing Christians. Instead what you're showing is a pick and choose grab bag of what Scriptures you want while discarding the rest, which practically is a cardinal sin against God's Word. What? do you think this is a game or something, or that we're in a court room arguing a case or something? You can't play lawyer with God's Word. That will bite you every time.

 

[Davy]

These chapters are about the law.

No, not all the Romans chapters are a comparison of God's law. And even the sections that do speak of God's law, Paul is using God's law to show a contrast between how God's law cannot save us vs. God's saving grace through His Son's sacrifice on the cross. In many other parts of Romans Apostle Paul is comparing operations of our flesh vs. our spirit and The Holy Spirit. And that is where you are blinded and cannot see.

My suggestion is that you leave immediately those charismatic type churches if that's what you've been attending, and get into disciplined Bible study of all of God's Word, asking His help.

 

[Davy]

No need to project onto me what the children of Satan may be doing.

Or do you think I'm trying in my flesh to be a god?

I just said I hope you're not part of that movement. Whenever I hear someone say they are perfect and do not sin, that automatically raises that suspicion.

 

[Davy]

I'm holding true what what the Bible says, not making any sorts of excuses, as you say.

The PEOPLE say, OH Look at all this great stuff I did!! All in your name!!! And Jesus say, go, your works are lawlessness. The people got it wrong.

Much love!

So doing works in Jesus' name are now works of unrighteousness? To believe that truly is a mark of deception.

 

[Cooper]

How does forgiven of all sins turn grace into licentiousness? I don't see that being the case. Actually, I see that knowing all sin if forgiven is the key that opens the lock to having victory over sin.

So I see this pretty much the opposite.

Much love!

Hi, God is gracious to those who believe in Him. The Jews fell into apostasy and God transferred his grace to the Gentiles. The Remnant remain secure and the Jewish nation will come under God's grace once again as soon as they repent and turn to Jesus.

 

[Davy]

1 Corinthians 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Philippians 3
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Curious, how do you understand these parts I've bolded?

Much love!

I have a question for you about that too. Have you bothered to look into the Greek of that 1 Cor.15:53 verse and discover that Paul used 4 different Greek words? And did you notice the "and" conjunction in that verse showing two distinct operations?

"corruptible" = Greek phthartos = decayed, perishable = our flesh body
"incorruption" = Greek aphthrsia = unending existence, incorruptibility = the "spiritual body" Paul taught
"mortal" = thnetos = liable to die
"immortality" = athanasia = deathlessness
(all definitions based on Strong's Exhaustive Concordance)

There, I did some of the homework for you in the above.

The change from the corruptible putting on incorruption is the "natural body" being changed to a "spiritual body" per 1 Cor.15:42-44.

The change from what is "mortal" to putting on "immortality" is about one's spirit/soul being "born again" through Christ, and then made immortal at His coming, being made of the 1st resurrection that will reign with Him.

The wicked dead will be raised to the resurrection body also (a spiritual body per Paul). Jesus showed this in John 5:28-29 about the "resurrection of damnation". Just as with the unsaved in flesh bodies today, their spirit/soul inside their flesh is in a 'liable to die' (thnetos) condition being without Christ Jesus. In their resurrection, they remain that way unless they believe on Jesus.

 

[Davy]

How? Quote me.

Because of what you said here, two statements that oppose each other:

To be clear and to repeat myself. When we walk in the Spirit we are NOT IN THE FLESH. It is the opposite of Hyper-grace.

And now that Jesus has freed us from sin, so that we can be sinless, we can go on to perfection through these steps in 2 Peter 1:

Our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us twin examples of the walk option. We stay in Christ's grace IF we walk by The Spirit, that was one way, and we do not stay in His grace IF we instead walk by our flesh.

Apostle John said in 1 John 1 those who say they have no sin make Jesus a liar. And that means you will NOT always walk by The Spirit. You will slip up at times because of Galatians 3:22. Being commanded to 'be ye perfect' does not mean it is possible, simply because only our Lord Jesus could live in the flesh and be without sin. Yet we are to strive to be perfect, even though we cannot ever be while in this flesh.

And in Romans 7, Apostle Paul made it clear that even when he was determined to not sin, he found himself doing just what he didn't want to do. He discovered himself sinning. You should try that 'discovery' thing, to see how your 'walk' is, whether it be in Christ or not, instead of just automatically thinking your walk is always perfect. I really don't want to use the word conceited for those who think they are always walking by The Spirit and never slip up, but that's still the best word for it.

 

[Cooper]

Simon the Sorcerer

Simon wasn't truly repentant, he asked for prayer so that “none of these things which you have spoken may come upon me.” He was not sorry for his sin, but only for the consequences it might bring on him.

The word “simony” which means to make a business out of that which is sacred, comes from this.

Repentance is what was missing in Simon's life. He still hankered after his old ways and likewise in 2 Tim 2:25-26. God is waiting to forgive us if we come to Him in confession and repentance. The trouble is we are often unwilling to admit we are wrong, but God will and does forgive the true penitent. The thief on the cross for exanple.

 

[Davy]

Its okay if you don't sin, but many of the false doctrines in the church are about sin, and they make Satan jump up and down with glee.

This truly is turning into a sick Pharisee theology! By that intimation it would be even a sin to warn against a sin!

 

[Cooper]

Hi Marks, I haven't got the hang of quoting the post I am replying to. We know God will never fail us or forsake us, but sometimes we fail God. That is OK, He will bring us back to the fold, As long as we do not reject Him.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Our flesh will always sin ,and one who says his flesh does not is a liar, and what has Jesus got to do with our flesh, it isnt what Jesus came to save.

You can sit here and argue with God all day about your sin, and every time He looks at you through Christ, He will say what Sin... All I see is the righteousness of my Son Jesus. Than the religious will step in and cry. So you have an excuse to sin??As if they ever needed one and so condemn themselves.

Why do you think Jesus will say to some, "I never knew you, you workers of wickedness"? It is because of doctrines like that.

3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If you truly believe that, than who is going to save you... you cant save yourself.

Jesus already has, and given me His powerful Spirit to empower me not to sin.

So you have faith, but no power?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Did the Hyper-Grace movement teach you that lie, or did you just make that all up this moment? I think you made that up. The idea of contrast is used often in the Old Testament Books, so nothing new there. And Apostle John is speaking ALL those verses to believing Christians. Instead what you're showing is a pick and choose grab bag of what Scriptures you want while discarding the rest, which practically is a cardinal sin against God's Word. What? do you think this is a game or something, or that we're in a court room arguing a case or something? You can't play lawyer with God's Word. That will bite you every time.

So just because John used the word "we" you believe instead of TO Christians, he's talking ABOUT Christians.

If you believe 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 are describing true Christians, what do you think of Paul's writing in Romans 7:9. Is that about Paul when he used the word "I"?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Simon wasn't truly repentant, he asked for prayer so that “none of these things which you have spoken may come upon me.” He was not sorry for his sin, but only for the consequences it might bring on him.

The word “simony” which means to make a business out of that which is sacred, comes from this.

Repentance is what was missing in Simon's life. He still hankered after his old ways and likewise in 2 Tim 2:25-26. God is waiting to forgive us if we come to Him in confession and repentance. The trouble is we are often unwilling to admit we are wrong, but God will and does forgive the true penitent. The thief on the cross for exanple.

Have you ever thought about the thief on the cross. When did he repent? What makes people believe he was never baptized? I hear that a lot.

 

[CharismaticLady]

This truly is turning into a sick Pharisee theology! By that intimation it would be even a sin to warn against a sin!

You won't hear that from me. No, it would be a sin to teach that everybody sins so you can too while in this body of flesh, and the blood of Jesus will cover your sin.