Is any one really happy here?

[bbyrd009]

Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen. barketh, barketh.

 

[APAK]

humans describing the "true" nature of Yah
lol

Hello again bb..I know you are curious about those that believe in YAH and I'm not sure you believe yourself. You are hard to read and I do like your blunt comments at times. they are needed at times..anyway I do agree with you that a pagan construct such as the Trinity cannot begin to understand YAH and his nature. This uninspired human construct was originally designed to fix and forge a compromise, political first and then religious, to quell and invite the majority of pagans into the new political belief system based on religious pagan Christianity. It is ironic that over 95 % of so-called Christians today wear it as their badge of righteousness and piety as lords of understanding the word of YAH. Nothing could be further from the spiritual truth.

Yes, I believe that the word Christian has been misused and owned by many false teachers and their followers of their pagan fathers.
The term YAH or YHWH seeker would be more in line of what I am even though my centerpiece and Lord, is the man Yahshua.

Keep on searching bb

Bless you man I wish the best for you from our one Creator

APAK

 

[aspen]

Sneaking around?

Everyone here knows I am a Catholic Christian - I’ve been posting here for about 12 years, Bbyrd


Not too proud of being Catholic?

Because I don’t act like a jerk about it? Because I don’t shove it down people’s throats? I believe Protestants/Evangelicals are Christian, Bbyrd - if they believe in the foundational tenets of the religion - Jesus being God is foundational, just like believing in the Doctrine of the Trinity - sorry, there has to be a dividing line somewhere

 

[kc_hhsl]

My friend, my friend
I think we are just in different stages of our faith with different beliefs and possibly need to agree to disagree.
As far as offering an explaination for what I said, I find people here to be very willing to "ATTACK VEHEMANTLY " anything they don't agree with including those not in the conversation stealing threads and taking over the entire thread, and so am even pondering whether to even stay here.

I came here to learn and to share, and there seems to be a "DEVISIVNESS" and "UGLINESS" here on this forum that I am struggling with.
The way people communicate here is so overwhelmingly "BRUTAL and HATEFUL, that it's SHOCKING" to me.

If I sounded "GRUMPY" I apologize". I am frustrated with the overall tone of the forum, and I probably didn't help any.
Again my deepest apologies.

My name is OLIGOS

I'm new here myself ... but haven't posted much.

Based on this thread and what you have shared - I would have to wonder if some out here are not believers - if not in fact anti-Christian.

I have found on some other forums (different interests) that there seems to be a % - some forums a small % while others a larger % - of people who hide behind their screens for the purposes of being jerks. They are rude and arrogant and know that they are. In reality if they met you face to face they might not be able to look you in the eye and could very well be silent … that is lack confidence in themselves. Thus to feel "important" they come out here being what they are.

If they are Christians then they should agree on the essentials and on the non-essentials show grace.

 

[bbyrd009]

Sneaking around?

Everyone here knows I am a Catholic Christian - I’ve been posting here for about 12 years, Bbyrd


Not too proud of being Catholic?

i meant more in general, not you for that aspen, tbh im not even sure where you stand there, it just seems that most Catholics have an...overweening--is the word that comes to mind--desire to be considered a Christian? But lets pick a less personally charged division, say JW or SDA; why the clamor to be considered "Christian" do you think? Iow where did we get the idea that "Christian" is the standard?

Because I don’t act like a jerk about it? Because I don’t shove it down people’s throats?

ya, well, zing i guess
you might note i dont "tell" ppl any facts, i generally ask Qs or post a stated opinion, but that doesnt seem to help much i guess? And i can freely admit to this being my disconnect, ok; i just dont have the Eve, the emotions, at least in the same way others do. Spent a long time exploring "frozen feelings" in therapy and whatnot, to verify it.

So, im sure you are absolutely right there, and you might do me a huge solid and point out ifwhen i am ever shoving anything down anyone's throat, ok. You asked me earlier what i have learned (from anyone) here, and i would like to think i learned or am learning that, from you and amadeus if i had to pick ppl, but prolly a couple others in there too.

so i dont think the pointed Qs will stop prolly...or maybe they will, but then ill basically be like i am irl, monosyllabic aming friends or mute everywhere else. Which i am ok with that. There is a Scriptural concept, "dont eat while you are there," that i have mostly had to apply here, although fwiw i would be much more open to even anyone able to admit that their model is much closer to DMA than life ok

I believe Protestants/Evangelicals are Christian, Bbyrd

well, "Christian" does seem to assume heaven and immortality in "eternity" now, despite Scripture, so who am i to disagree, maybe they are; maybe you are too, ok with me, but we are not exactly examining why the overarching desire to have that label yet? Dang, gotta run, ill address the rest later as best im able, meant to apologize to you already for the rehab crack ok, didnt come out like i intended at all

im actually much more inclined to hear ppl who have been to wherever at elast once, prison, rehab, psych wards, prison rehab psych wards, whatever...but the Qs get more pointed then, i assume and usually am dealing with a hardballer at that point if you get me
ok tonight pprolly ok

 

[Enoch111]

Iow where did we get the idea that "Christian" is the standard?

From Christ. The disciples of Christ were first called "Christians" (Christ-ones) at Antioch, while the apostles were still around. And Christian is used a few times in the New Testament.

Of course you have no use for Christians and continued to promote your false propaganda about Mithraism. Not sure why you are even here or why anyone spends time responding to you. So why don't you tell us exactly what is your faith since you are calling yourself "Christian" incorrectly.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus being God is foundational

Why do you call me good?

So no offense but imo it is delusional at best, Born of the desire to become immortal and go up to heaven after we have died; and I agree it is the line. I serve a jealous God sorry bro

No one Has ever Gone up to heaven

There is only one immortal

You and your sons will be here with me

If you dig a pit for others, you end up in it yourself

 

[bbyrd009]

Doctrine of the Trinity

Complete crap, made up by Catholic pagans, imo, But I am certainly open to examining the data, if you like? But I’m pretty sure you aren’t gonna like it much. And again sorry, OK? I know changing your mind is hard

 

[bbyrd009]

From Christ.

From a preacher, you mean; Christ made it abundantly plain that the good Samaritan’s and other riffraff are perfectly acceptable, find out why the tax collectors and whores are beating you into the kingdom

 

[historyb]

So, seems to be a Catholic influence that is not even allowed on most other Prot boards, maybe?

Nope, it's just the mods are hands off not forgiving. I am a member of other places that allow Liturgical Christians to flourish like the sister forum to this one, even the members are not bad to us Traditional Christians. Here the mods take a hands off approach to all but many members (not all) hate Traditional Christians here more or less. It has been here that I have learned to resent evangelicals.

 

[Philip James]

It has been here that I have learned to resent evangelicals

Resentment is not good for the soul brother. You have to let that go...

Peace be with you!

 

[historyb]

If they are Christians then they should agree on the essentials and on the non-essentials show grace.

I have heard this many times as if everyone shares essentials and non-essentials. The fact of the matter is not everyone shares essentials and non-essentials, what may be an essential to you may not be a non-essential to me and vice a versa

 

[bbyrd009]

From Christ. The disciples of Christ were first called "Christians" (Christ-ones) at Antioch, while the apostles were still around. And Christian is used a few times in the New Testament.

Of course you have no use for Christians and continued to promote your false propaganda about Mithraism. Not sure why you are even here or why anyone spends time responding to you. So why don't you tell us exactly what is your faith since you are calling yourself "Christian" incorrectly.

Yah loves mithraists too, im pretty sure

 

[bbyrd009]

Nope, it's just the mods are hands off not forgiving. I am a member of other places that allow Liturgical Christians to flourish like the sister forum to this one, even the members are not bad to us Traditional Christians. Here the mods take a hands off approach to all but many members (not all) hate Traditional Christians here more or less. It has been here that I have learned to resent evangelicals.

interesting, my experience has been more like "No Catholics allowed" on most of the Christian forums
that i have been 86ed from

can you provide any insight as to why Catholic forums seem so, um, moribund?
never used that term before in my life lol

 

[historyb]

interesting, my experience has been more like "No Catholics allowed" on most of the Christian forums
that i have been 86ed from

Most evangelical sites are like that, I been 86'd from too

can you provide any insight as to why Catholic forums seem so, um, moribund?
never used that term before in my life lol

No me can't

 

[kc_hhsl]

I have heard this many times as if everyone shares essentials and non-essentials. The fact of the matter is not everyone shares essentials and non-essentials, what may be an essential to you may not be a non-essential to me and vice a versa

Essentials -
1 - Deity of Jesus Christ
2 - Original sin - we have all sinned and fall short
3 - The Bible is God's holy word
4 - The Trinity
5 - Jesus died on the cross, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven, and will return
6 - Salvation - can only be through Jesus Christ through faith

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

 

[lforrest]

Essentials -
1 - Deity of Jesus Christ
2 - Original sin - we have all sinned and fall short
3 - The Bible is God's holy word
4 - The Trinity
5 - Jesus died on the cross, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven, and will return
6 - Salvation - can only be through Jesus Christ through faith

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

Well said, and welcome to the forums!

 

[historyb]

Essentials -
1 - Deity of Jesus Christ
2 - Original sin - we have all sinned and fall short
3 - The Bible is God's holy word
4 - The Trinity
5 - Jesus died on the cross, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven, and will return
6 - Salvation - can only be through Jesus Christ through faith

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

Within your list I disagree. Number 2 - I do not believe in Original Sin the way evangelicals do, I believe in Ancestral Sin in which we are not guilty of Adam's sin but do take part in the consequences (death). The Bible is words of God, Christ is the Word of God. Another extremely important thing that is very essential to me and many other Traditional Christians is the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist so for number 5 Christ returns in every Eucharist but I get your meaning. Number 6 we are saved b Grace through Faith that is not alone. Number 1 yes, number 4 Yes, and number 5 yes. You see your list is your essentials not necessarily mine or others.

So to return it to the OP stated by @Seasoned by Grace , how can we be happy here when we do not have much in common

 

[bbyrd009]

Essentials -
1 - Deity of Jesus Christ
2 - Original sin - we have all sinned and fall short
3 - The Bible is God's holy word
4 - The Trinity
5 - Jesus died on the cross, rose from the grave, and ascended into heaven, and will return
6 - Salvation - can only be through Jesus Christ through faith

Could expand the verbiage but that sums the essentials up.

ah, the summing it up, yes

 

[bbyrd009]

"Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape..."