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BreadOfLife

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No, I do not consider communion to be some sort of perverted vampire fest! When I drink the wine, I do it as HE requested, "Do this in remembrance of Me"
When you drink the wine, does it taste like wine, or does it taste like blood?
Since when does "Remembrance" automatically mean "symbolic" or "metaphorical"??

When I was a Boy Scout - we collected funds to build a Memorial in remembrance of the Korean War Vets.
The Memorial was very REAL, with a statue with a plaque.

There was nothing "symbolic" or "metaphorical" about it - and neither is there anything metaphorical about the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist - YOUR lack of faith notwithstanding . . .
 

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Where does Scripture "forbid" drinking Christ's blood??

CHAPTER and VERSE, please . . .

The Law of the Sacrifice makes eating blood a VERY serious offence under God's Law! Jesus would NEVER tell people to disobey His laws. The God I follow says:

“‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.” Lev 17:10
 

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No, I do not consider communion to be some sort of perverted vampire fest! When I drink the wine, I do it as HE requested, "Do this in remembrance of Me"

When you drink the wine, does it taste like wine, or does it taste like blood?
No Christian thinks it is "some sort of perverted vampire fest".

He AND Paul said it is His blood soooo your argument is whith THEM, not me.
 

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No, I do not consider communion to be some sort of perverted vampire fest! When I drink the wine, I do it as HE requested, "Do this in remembrance of Me"

When you drink the wine, does it taste like wine, or does it taste like blood?
Sooo you just pretend you are participating in a vampire fest since YOU believe it is just a symbol of His blood?
 

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Why is that funny?
Once again - is it because you lack the faith to believe that God has the ability to do this?
He doesn't need the ability to do it because he doesn't do it. It is nothing more than the twisted perversion of the catholic church.
 
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Pretty much, yes.
Poorly catechized Catholics are even worse than anti-Catholics because they spread FALSE rumors and myths about their own Church.

Doesn't say much for the catholic church to teach their so-called truths then does it.
 

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That's only because I proved you wrong about Matt. 23:8-9 regarding "Teachers and Fathers" . . .

Proved me wrong!!!! The only thing you have proved is that you are a boring catholic that believes you are always right and everyone else is wrong. They are the worst kind of Catholics you can find.
 

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Wine turning into blood? Kind of like Jesus told us to do in rememberence of Him?? You don't like the Catholics AND Protestants that do what he told us to do??? o_O

And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; 28 for this is my blood

Or is it that you just don't believe what Jesus said???

I know it is hard for you to understand but what I don't believe is the mumbo jumbo put out by the catholic church. I said I have worked in the catholic system and not ONCE has the wine turned into blood.
 

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Pretty close. The church distanced itself from the Roman Catholic which broke away from the church in AD 1049. I think they serve the same god as Muslims. The objective of the popes was to rule the world, and the slaughter of millions of Christians was necessary to meet that objective.

Of course forbidding clergy to marry defies Scripture which demands that clergy be married:

"An overseer/bishop then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach" I Timothy 3:2

Romanism defies Scripture at every turn. They follow the father of lies.

Good point.
 

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and not ONCE has the wine turned into blood.

Hello marksman,

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Once was enough! Are you sharing in that One Cup?

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!
 

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Hello marksman,

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Once was enough! Are you sharing in that One Cup?

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!
I have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Apparently, you're NOT - otherwise you would have read the following testimonies about the Eucharist being the BODY and BLOOD of Christ.
Pay attention to what they are describing. It's NOT simply "bread and wine" to them . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, FLESH WHICH SUFFERED FOR OUR SINS AND WHICH THAT FATHER, IN HIS GOODNESS, RAISED UP AGAIN. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr
WE CALL THIS FOOD EUCHARIST, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these, but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, THE FOOD WHICH HAS BEEN MADE INTO THE EUCHARIST BY THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYER SET DOWN BY HIM, AND BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH OUR BLOOD AND FLESH IS NURTURED, IS BOTH THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).

Irenaeus
He has declared the cup, a part of creation, TO BE HIS OWN BLOOD from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established AS HIS OWN BODY, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receive the Word of God AND BECOME THE EUCHARIST, THE BODY OF CHRIST, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported) how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life — flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord and is in fact a member of him? (Against Heresies 5:2 [A.D. 189]).

Clement of Alexandria
"Eat my flesh)" [Jesus] says, "and drink my blood." The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children (The Instructor of Children 1:6:43:3 [A.D. 191]).

Hippolytus
"And she [Wisdom] has furnished her table" [Proverbs 9:1] . . . refers to his [Christ's] honored and undefiled body and blood, which day by day are administered and offered sacrificially at the spiritual divine table, as a memorial of that first and ever-memorable table of the spiritual divine supper [i.e., the Last Supper] (Fragment from Commentary on Proverbs [A.D. 217]).

Aphraahat
After having spoken thus [at the Last Supper], the Lord rose up from the place where he had made the Passover and had given his body as food and his blood as drink, and he went with his disciples to the place where he was to be arrested. BUT HE ATE OF HIS OWN BODY AND DRANK OF HIS OWN BLOOD, while he was pondering on the dead.
WITH HIS OWN HANDS THE LORD PRESENTED HIS OWN BODY TO BE EATEN, and before he was crucified he gave his blood as drink (Treatises 12:6 [A.D. 340]).

Cyril of Jerusalem
The bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but the invocation having been made, THE BREAD BECOMES THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE WINE THE BLOOD OF CHRIST (Catechetical Lectures 19:7 [A.D. 350]).

[Since you are] fully convinced that the apparent bread is not bread, even though it is sensible to the taste, but the body of Christ, and that the apparent wine is not wine, even though the taste would have it so. . . partake of that bread as something spiritual, and put a cheerful face on your soul (ibid„ 22:6,9).

Theodore
When [Christ] gave the bread he did not say, "This is the symbol of my body" but, "This is my body." In the same way when he gave the cup of his blood he did not say. "This is the symbol of my blood," but, "This is my blood," for he wanted us to look upon the [Eucharistic elements] after their reception of grace and the coming of the Holy Spirit not according to their nature, but receive them as they are, the body and blood of our Lord. We ought . . . not regard [the elements] merely as bread and cup) BUT AS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD, into which they were transformed by the descent of the Holy Spirit (Catechetical Homilies 5:1 [A.D. 405]).

Ambrose of Milan
Perhaps you may be saying, "I see something else; how can you assure me that I am receiving the body of Christ?" It but remains for us to prove it. And how many are the examples we might use! . . . Christ is in that sacrament, because IT IS THE BODY OF CHRIST (The Mysteries 9:50, 58 [A.D. 390]).

Augustine
What you see is the bread and the chalice, that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the BODY OF CHRIST and the chalice is THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. This has been said very briefly, which may perhaps be sufficient for faith, yet faith does not desire instruction (ibid. 272).


So much for your disgusting LACK of faith . . .

No doubt that the catholic church is replete with mysticism and magic. So much for your lack of reality.
 

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No, I do not consider communion to be some sort of perverted vampire fest! When I drink the wine, I do it as HE requested, "Do this in remembrance of Me"

When you drink the wine, does it taste like wine, or does it taste like blood?

Hi Stan. I asked that of Bread of Life and he won't answer it.
 

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Sooo you just pretend you are participating in a vampire fest since YOU believe it is just a symbol of His blood?
Nope! I have no desire to engage in a blood-drinking fest, that God (remember Him?) that God so soundly condemns!!

Happy Vampire Day!
Hi Stan. I asked that of Bread of Life and he won't answer it.
Same with Marymog in response to the same question.

A question answered by a Roman Catholic priest many hundreds of years ago: Martin Luther. After doing his magic act, and drinking from the magic cup, realized this Romanist nonsense was all fake.
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

Hello marksman,

I'm talking about this:

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.


That 'one loaf' that Jesus broke, gave to His disciples and said 'this is my body'.

Peace be with you!
 

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The Law of the Sacrifice makes eating blood a VERY serious offence under God's Law! Jesus would NEVER tell people to disobey His laws. The God I follow says:

“‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.” Lev 17:10
Lev. 7:15 – the Aaronic sacrifices absolutely had to be eaten in order to restore communion with God. These sacrifices all foreshadow the one eternal sacrifice which must also be eaten to restore communion with God. This is the Eucharist (from the Greek word “eukaristia” which means “thanksgiving”).

Lev. 17:11,14 – in the Old Testament, we see that the life of the flesh is the blood which could never be drunk. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ’s blood is the source of new life, and now must be drunk.

Gen. 9:4-5; Deut.12:16,23-24 – in these verses we see other prohibitions on drinking blood, yet Jesus commands us to drink His blood because it is the true source of life.

2 Kings 4:43 – this passage foreshadows the multiplication of the loaves and the true bread from heaven which is Jesus Christ.

2 Chron. 30:15-17; 35:1,6,11,13; Ezra 6:20-21; Ezek. 6:20-21- the lamb was killed, roasted and eaten to atone for sin and restore communion with God. This foreshadows the true Lamb of God who was sacrificed for our sin and who must now be consumed for our salvation.

Neh. 9:15 – God gave the Israelites bread from heaven for their hunger, which foreshadows the true heavenly bread who is Jesus.

Psalm 78:24-25; 105:40 – the raining of manna and the bread from angels foreshadows the true bread from heaven, Jesus Christ.
 

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No doubt that the catholic church is replete with mysticism and magic. So much for your lack of reality.
This is not a reply to the list of Early Church Fathers given by BofL, it's an excuse. Worse, it's an insult to everything the ECF wrote about and stood for. Your man made system is divorced from the early church and you are too proud to admit it. Your accusation of "replete with mysticism and magic" is stupid and absurd.
 
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The Law of the Sacrifice makes eating blood a VERY serious offence under God's Law! Jesus would NEVER tell people to disobey His laws. The God I follow says:

“‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.” Lev 17:10
WRONG.

This prohibition was against the consuming of the blood of ANIMALS because the life of the ANIMAL is in the blood and you don't want the life of an ANIMAL in you.
There is ONE person, however whose life you DO want in you - and that is Christ.

Just as the Passover lamb was to be eaten - so is our Paschal Lamb.
 

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Doesn't say much for the catholic church to teach their so-called truths then does it.
Why would you say that??

I know MANY poorly educated Protestants who don't know their faith either.
What does that say about Protestantism??
 
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