Is Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday.

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Im south African, he is Afrikaner but it is religion, corrupts people.

Like a nest of cockroaches getting the flame! Subtlety? No I don't believe you have enough brains to consciously be subtle. But accidentally you showed butterfly and not moth's wings. It could be the other way. Not <religion, corrupts people> but being <Afrikaner> (Boer, please!) <corrupts people>. Soutie of verraaier?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

... alliance? Union with and in the Son and the Father. Union , echad(one) , with all who are in Christ Jesus... as written.... not a denominational thing....

O my goodness.....! Next from where?!

 

[Joseph77]

"Goodness?"

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call Me good?" Jesus replied. "No ...

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call Me good?" Jesus replied. "No one is good except God alone.
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Why. Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is ...

O my goodness.....!

 

[101G]

You are the first one I give up on.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, well I flattered to be your first, LOL. hey, at least I'm first in something... again, thak you for allowing me to be your first one to give up on .... lol. I love this. with that said, I want have to to hear from you anymore... THANKS.

GINOLJC.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

One 'things' is clear as my German boss at Heinrich's Brewery Manufacturers used to say, It's like a fillet stake, there's no love lost among all beasts, they brew up in the bottom of the tanks.

 

[Joseph77]

Sitting with , working for, scoffers and/or sinners ....

at Heinrich's Brewery Manufacturers

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sitting with , working for, scoffers and/or sinners ....

I've never seen a beer brewery sin or scoff or drunk. Maybe on the planet you're from.

 

[Joseph77]

And continually the blind lead the blind, and they both fall in.....

Correct - they never seen.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[Paul Christensen]

"Even the demons believe that —and shudder.
"What does it mean that even the demons believe (James 2:19 ...

" What does it mean that even the demons believe (James 2:19)? | GotQuestions.org
The demons "believe" some things that are true about God—they know He's real, He's powerful, etc.—but their "theological soundness" cannot be called faith. There's no salvation for the demons, even though they assent to the truth that there is one God."

The demons know the Bible from cover to cover, more than we do. They believe every literal word of it, and it makes them tremble because they know they can never be saved. This is because saving faith is a work of the Holy Spirit in us. A demon can decide to profess Christianity like many do, but it would be just mental religion, and not from the heart. There is no atonement for the demons.

So just knowing and believing the Bible, that Jesus came and died on the cross, and knowing that conversion to Christ is vitally important for salvation is not enough. The demons know all that, yet they can never be converted to Christ and be saved. With their knowledge of the things of God, and knowing that they are shut out of the kingdom, they are totally committed to oppose the gospel any way they can.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Not sure which post your referring to, there are a couple or more mockers just making fun , (not in a good way), they are making fun of the truth, mocking it and ignoring Jesus. (Psalm 1: I beleive we should stay out of the way of mockers, as written. )

I said to Gerhard that observance of the law means that grace is no more grace. His response was vitriolic and right over the top with his accusative rant at me. It seemed to come out of nowhere and quite unexpected. I found it shocking that a guy can change his mood from friendly to totally acrimonious without any warning. I just couldn't help reacting from my sense of shock and surprise.

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus always observed TORAH, (the Law; God's Law), perfectly.
Did grace become no more grace !?

 

[Paul Christensen]

I refer to my post #414 in reply to your post #407 wherein you wrote <<the Scripture says that if we are saved by keeping the Law grace is no more grace>> YOU IMPLYING, that I say, we are saved by keeping the Law and don't need grace to be saved-- just what you until in your last post, kept on meaning and meant to imply but of course have not said (or written).

It is not what I meant at all. I was quoting Paul. He said that if anyone sought to be justified by keeping the law, then grace would be no more grace for him and that Christ would be of no effect for him. Paul said that no one will be justified by keeping the law. He said that it is by grace we are saved through faith, not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God, not of works lest any should boast.

Buddy, it would have saved a whole lot of trouble and kept you from attacking me the way you did, if you just read my posts more carefully and realised that I am not advocating keeping the law to be saved. I consider those who are teaching that we have to keep the law in order to be saved, are false teachers.

But I do fully support the application of the Ten Commandments when talking to unsaved people to show their sinfulness in order to turn to Christ. But when that person has turned to Christ as Saviour, then law through the commandments has done its job and God's moral law is written on our hearts so that we forsake the works of the flesh and allow the Spirit to grow the fruit of the Spirit in and through us.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Buddy, it would have saved a whole lot of trouble and kept you from attacking me the way you did, if you just read my posts more carefully and realised that I am not advocating keeping the law to be saved.

That is not what I said or accused you of doing. I said and here again say it, YOU ARE INSINUATING I (for one) <advocate keeping the law to be saved>. I read your post more careful than you wrote it.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

But I do fully support the application of the Ten Commandments when talking to unsaved people to show their sinfulness in order to turn to Christ. But when that person has turned to Christ as Saviour, then law through the commandments has done its job and God's moral law is written on our hearts so that we forsake the works of the flesh and allow the Spirit to grow the fruit of the Spirit in and through us.

I go much further than you. I fully support the application of the Ten Commandments when talking to SAVED people to show them and primarily myself my and their sinfulness in order to turn us away from PRIDE and vanity (Colossians 2:18). When a person turns to Christ as Saviour, then the Father had drawn him to Jesus and the Holy Spirit had convinced him of his SIN, already, else he would not have come to THE LIGHT, CHRIST the ultimate STANDARD of Godliness.

And THEN, like GOD HAS CAUSED THE BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN THE CHURCH, TO "GROW with the growth of God" - Colossians 2:19 - so, the Holy Spirit <allows> the individual member, to grow and bear <<the fruit of the Spirit>> and let it ripen in his life and spread Divine Aroma all around himself and the Church-Body as he and the Church grow and bear fruit in the hotbed and environment of the Body of Christ's Own. And THEN is when the Sabbath remaining for the People of God - since Jesus had given them Rest - comes into ACTIVE play.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I go much further than you. I fully support the application of the Ten Commandments when talking to SAVED people to show them and primarily myself my and their sinfulness in order to turn us away from PRIDE and vanity (Colossians 2:18). When a person turns to Christ as Saviour, then the Father had drawn him to Jesus and the Holy Spirit had convinced him of his SIN, already, else he would not have come to THE LIGHT, CHRIST the ultimate STANDARD of Godliness.

And THEN, like GOD HAS CAUSED THE BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN THE CHURCH, TO "GROW with the growth of God" - Colossians 2:19 - so, the Holy Spirit <allows> the individual member, to grow and bear <<the fruit of the Spirit>> and let it ripen in his life and spread Divine Aroma all around himself and the Church-Body as he and the Church grow and bear fruit in the hotbed and environment of the Body of Christ's Own. And THEN is when the Sabbath remaining for the People of God - since Jesus had given them Rest - comes into ACTIVE play.

That's the problem. The law has done its job when a person has turned to Christ. If you apply the law to Christian believers, you are implying that their faith in Christ is not enough and they have to add works in order to continue to be accepted of God.

I am not surprised that people would reject what you are trying to impress on them, because you are applying the law when they have already accepted the grace and mercy of God and are converted to Christ.

When I apply the Ten Commandments, I apply them to unsaved people to show that they are not good people. Once they have humbled themselves and acknowledged that they have broken the Commandments and in danger of the judgment, then I show them the good news of what Christ has done for them on the cross.

Paul, as a converted believer, told the Corinthians that he did not allow any man to judge him concerning his manner of life, and he didn't even judge himself, but left the judgment to his Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

You are not the Holy Spirit, whose role is to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment to come. Christian believers have the Holy Spirit within, and therefore they don't need someone external to "humble" them or deal with their "pride". If you are apply the law to converted believers in the name of the Lord, you could be breaking the third Commandment by making wrong use of the Lord's name.

 

[mjrhealth]

When I apply the Ten Commandments, I apply them to unsaved people to show that they are not good people. Once they have humbled themselves and acknowledged that they have broken the Commandments and in danger of the judgment, then I show them the good news of what Christ has done for them on the cross.

You still Have it backward,s you should be showing them Gods love so that they can see who they are, not making God out to be a hard taskmaster by condemning them through the law,

 

[Paul Christensen]

You still Have it backward,s you should be showing them Gods love so that they can see who they are, not making God out to be a hard taskmaster by condemning them through the law,

That's the problem. God is a God of justice as well as a God of love. What would you think of a loving court judge who allowed someone who raped three women and cut their throats to go free because the judge loved him? You would be the first one to say, "Where's the justice in that?"
So, if people are lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterers at heart, which we all are, and are encouraged to adopt Christianity without fully realising that they are sinners in the light of the Ten Commandments, then their profession will be superficial and shallow, and would be most likely to fall away after a relatively short time. And such converts could think they are born again better than anyone else because they think they are more good than others and they are doing God a favour by joining His church.

I think that if the rich young ruler came to you, got down on his knees, and asked, "Good believer, what can I do to inherit eternal life?" You would welcome him with open arms and say, "God loves you, so pray this little prayer, and you will be saved and life will be great from now on!"

But is that how Jesus dealt with that young ruler?
Think about it.

 

[mjrhealth]

That's the problem. God is a God of justice as well as a God of love. What would you think of a loving court judge who allowed someone who raped three women and cut their throats to go free because the judge loved him? You would be the first one to say, "Where's the justice in that?"
So, if people are lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterers at heart, which we all are, and are encouraged to adopt Christianity without fully realising that they are sinners in the light of the Ten Commandments, then their profession will be superficial and shallow, and would be most likely to fall away after a relatively short time. And such converts could think they are born again better than anyone else because they think they are more good than others and they are doing God a favour by joining His church.

I think that if the rich young ruler came to you, got down on his knees, and asked, "Good believer, what can I do to inherit eternal life?" You would welcome him with open arms and say, "God loves you, so pray this little prayer, and you will be saved and life will be great from now on!"

But is that how Jesus dealt with that young ruler?
Think about it.

If someone came to you and told you. that you where going to hell, what do you think you would do if you where not a christian, I know what I would say. And than why should they listen to you. God loves you so you are going to hell, Really good message about God,

 

[Joseph77]

If someone came to you and told you. that you where going to hell, what do you think you would do if you where not a christian, I know what I would say. And than why should they listen to you. God loves you so you are going to hell, Really good message about God,

The Truth is important. If you persist in telling people they are okay, when they are doomed according to all God's Plan and Scripture, unless they repent, then what?

What did Nineveh DO ? (when told they were going to be destroyed in what? 40 days ? )

If people repent, they do not have to fear the judgment.

IF people do not repent, they have no hope for eternal life. Only cursed in this life, and cast out on Judgment Day.