Romans 7 and 8 without confusing verses

[CharismaticLady]

And as is the case today, the older they are, the more they get wrong without realizing it,

unless by grace they repent.

Bye, you who have never given anything edifying to learn, you are going on ignore.

 

[Joseph77]

Bye, you who have never given anything edifying to learn, you are going on ignore.

ahhh..... a bowl of soup or slice of bread in peace, is better than any meal in the presence of a contentious woman....

Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy


Chapter 3 . . . The Confession of Children
Chapter 4 . . . The Shepherd Whipped by His Sheep
Chapter 5 . . . The Priest, Purgatory, and the Poor Widow's Cow
Chapter 6 . . . Festivities in a Parsonage
Chapter 7 . . . Preparation for the First Communion- Initiation to Idolatry

 

[CharismaticLady]

That just shows your ignorance of the topic.

You with the spirit of the accuser of the brethren, you are going on ignore also. I only want to share with people who want to grow in the Spirit. You have been a waste of time as you like your head in the sand.

 

[Paul Christensen]

So now you have become the arbiter of who possesses the Holy Spirit and who does not! Why don't you leave it with God instead of sitting in judgment in the place of God. And if you do not believe you have the Spirit then simply obey the Gospel.

The truth is that every genuinely converted person has the Holy Spirit and has the potential to manifest any of the gifts of the Spirit as the Holy Spirit directs.

We have to remember that the gifts of the Spirit belong to the Spirit Himself, and they are available to build up and strengthen the body of Christ. Therefore He manifests the gifts through us as He wills. We can say that we have this gift or that, because they don't belong to us, and the Holy Spirit doesn't give up ownership of them. As we seek to do our bit to minister to others and encourage them in the faith, the Spirit works the particular gift through us to do the job He wants to accomplish at that time.

There are some who say that they all the gifts and can manifest them any time they wish. This is just pride in thinking that they are somewhat special and closer to God than the rest of us normal believers. I look up at people like that and get a pain in the neck!

 

[Waiting on him]

You with the spirit of the accuser of the brethren, you are going on ignore also. I only want to share with people who want to grow in the Spirit. You have been a waste of time as you like your head in the sand.

What's up

 

[DNB]

I understand now your problem with it. If you are not clearly hearing from God yourself as to whether they are or are not of Him but you disbelieve them, my suggestion would be to stop attacking for if you are wrong it puts you in a bad place with God. Of course you believe you are right. According to Solomon we all believe that.

You say you don't want to hear them say it, so then on this forum you do have the option of using the ignore feature. For me, if you consider me one of them, I am not going to stop speaking my piece when I believe that God wants me to speak it. If you don't want to hear what I have to say, put me on ignore too. Of course the choice in this is yours. Any results, good or not, from your choices are between you and God. I would also suggest praying carefully with God on this before deciding, but that is also your choice.

Because Amadues, the proof is in the pudding, of which there is no proof not in these cases, therefore I feel entitled to dismiss their claims. So, I am basing my opinion on evidence before me. In other words, something is telling me that they are not speaking accurately, for whatever reason.
Like I said, and insist, let others praise you, that will be the real testimony.

 

[Paul Christensen]

What's up

I know what's up! The sky, clouds. an airplane going overhead.... And at 10am, I'm up!!

 

[DNB]

So now you have become the arbiter of who possesses the Holy Spirit and who does not! Why don't you leave it with God instead of sitting in judgment in the place of God. And if you do not believe you have the Spirit then simply obey the Gospel.

There is the proud, irreverent and self-righteous amongst us, so yes, I am arbitrating between those who claim to have such supernatural powers from the Spirit, and those who do not. And I feel entirely justified in my opinion. I would not dare to affirm that half the nonsense on these forums has been inspired from God, like the pseudo-endowed Christians are doing here, or anywhere.
I do not have the Spirit worth mentioning, I speak strictly from my own reasoning and opinion, ...like every single Christian across the world, except for a few exceptional cases.
And, I am doing my best to obey the Gospel. ...I have already expressed in another post on this thread, how i harmonize the Gospel's promises of the Spirit, and the actuality of it (probably right after the post that you replied to).

 

[CharismaticLady]

I know what's up! The sky, clouds. an airplane going overhead.... And at 10am, I'm up!!

Thank you! Now I calculate what time it is in your zone. Five hours ahead and switch pm to am and the next day!

 

[Joseph77]

We share your sentiment, and are commanded by Jesus and by the Father not to try to share nor grow in that spirit that you have... rather to expose it.

You with the spirit of the accuser of the brethren, you are going on ignore also. I only want to share with people who want to grow in the Spirit. You have been a waste of time as you like your head in the sand.

 

[amadeus]

Because Amadues, the proof is in the pudding, of which there is no proof not in these cases, therefore I feel entitled to dismiss their claims. So, I am basing my opinion on evidence before me. In other words, something is telling me that they are not speaking accurately, for whatever reason.
Like I said, and insist, let others praise you, that will be the real testimony.

No men praised Jeremiah as he obeyed the voice of God and was rejected by those to whom he spoke. God told him that his words would not be accepted but that he was say them anyway. He obeyed God and God was right in that they rejected him and his message. Of course you have decided that they are not speaking a message from God... as if that was your job.

Yes, the proof is in the pudding, but the pudding is not a store bought one nor one prepared by any man of flesh alone. Neither should the quality of the taste be determined as good or evil by any man alone.

What is acceptable proof? That which is determined by some man or men using the scientific method or the proof which is acceptable to God? With whom does God share His conclusions? Apparently you are not even looking to Him in this but deciding according to your own knowledge, experience and beliefs. I and others have quoted verses of scripture to you, and while you might agree that those verses you disregard were written by men as inspired by God, you blatantly continue to disregard them in favor of your established conclusions. You have decided that anyone who is of God would and should only respond in the ways you have decided are appropriate. Would you not say that you have limited the way in which God could speak or respond to only the ways you have decided are appropriate? Have you listened to yourself?

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:7-8

Job also thought he knew how God should respond... until he was given the opportunity to correct God:

"Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further." Job 40:4-5

 

[Enoch111]

There is the proud, irreverent and self-righteous amongst us, so yes, I am arbitrating between who claims to have such supernatural powers from the Spirit, and who does not.

And that my friend IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. No one appointed you as pope. So back off and mind your own business. I already pointed out a long time ago that you hold to some false doctrines. So perhaps should you start there.

 

[Enoch111]

The truth is that every genuinely converted person has the Holy Spirit and has the potential to manifest any of the gifts of the Spirit as the Holy Spirit directs.

Yes. But we have a self-appointed pope on board and his *magesterium* has gone into effect. He believe that no one has the Holy Spirit.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Thank you! Now I calculate what time it is in your zone. Five hours ahead and switch pm to am and the next day!

It is now exactly 10:30am. Daylight saving time finished Saturday night.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Yes. But we have a self-appointed pope on board and his *magesterium* has gone into effect. He believe that no one has the Holy Spirit.

He'll get a bit of a rude shock when he dies and won't be in Paradise with the believers, but will be in the other place awaiting judgment.

 

[Waiting on him]

I know what's up! The sky, clouds. an airplane going overhead.... And at 10am, I'm up!!

I was checking to see if I was on ignorant also..

 

[Paul Christensen]

I was checking to see if I was on ignorant also..

I couldn't help it. It hit my funny bone! :-)

 

[Waiting on him]

I couldn't help it. It hit my funny bone! :)

CL needs to tell you guys how she miraculously healed the neighbors dog, this always seems to give the testimony more punch.

 

[Waiting on him]

I have a question,,,, did Jesus seek to save His life?

 

[Joseph77]

TheBibleSaysNO.

I have a question,,,, did Jesus seek to save His life?

(great question)