Tithe

[Truther]

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:...

8 And here men that die receive tithes; ...

AKA...The Jewish priests.

 

[Truther]

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


Pick your priesthood.

You can't be under both Aaron and Judah.

You must only be under one of them,

With Jesus, there is no representative priesthood between us and him.

Only with the Aaronic priesthood are there go- between representatives.

 

[Truther]

If a man tells us "if you tithe to me you are tithing to Jesus", then they are making themselves the recipient of the tithe and they are Jesus' proxy. They are our priests under the order of Melchisedek.

Yikes!

 

[doctrox]

The tithes were not connected so much with the "land" in which the Israelites lived, but rather with the "fertile soil of God", that God had given for them to inhabited in communion with Him.

Beautiful.

 

[Fred J]

But my church doesn't. I've never attended a church that insists on a compulsory 10%.

Even 'tithing'?

Then this thread doesn't concern you.

But most of the so called born again and built in honor of the Protestant and Reformers fathers, churches are practicing so.

"Percentage" is merely another way of expressing "proportion". There's no practical difference between the two; the distinction is purely in terminology. All proportions are a percentage. Whatever amount you are giving is a percentage of your income, whether you want to call it that or not. So Paul's 'proportion' is a percentage - he just didn't specify what the percentage (or proportion) should be.

We disagree and it's absurd, folly, twisted and related to 'lukewarm' faith.

Why?

Example giving by percentage, so this week your income as GOD made you prosper, is $ 1,016.50

So you decided to give 20% as offering, therefore equals to $ 203.30 your offering.

Looks like this is how you give your offering with added 3 dollars and 30 cents syilings and likewise.

Apparetly you seem to be carnally wiser and gone ahead of Apostle Paul and GOD and Word to give 'percentage' offering, awfully brilliant.

Example this is 'legit' giving by 'proportion' requested by the Word of GOD, as we'll give according to what our spiritual heart decide to give in 'proportion'.

We'll set aside a 'round firgure' sum of $ 500,00 or less from the same income which we've decided to give as offeering.

True born again readers,

Please do not hold back what you've decided to give as Ananias ans Sapphira did, give it anyway even though you may fall back 'anxious' about tomorrow suddenly.

For the GOD who made you prosper called you not to be anxious about tommorow, for HE who counts the strands of hair on your scalp, will meet your needs more than them fowls.

And that is faith stepping forward growing step by step, as faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word of GOD, that is HIS every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth. (2Timothy3:16&17)

To conclude and back again, you and your friends with you need to do a 'reality check' rather than immaturely and unwisely debate in vain.

Furthermore continue in 'lawlessness', even simply unable to differentiate between 'percentage' and 'porportion' when there's difference by definition.

Mind you, a simple misinterpret of English words, add to or take away from our reliable English version Holy Bible, can lead GOD's innocent lambs astary and in lawlessness.

For such an accountable person according to the Word of GOD, a stone should be tied around one's neck and thrown into the deep ocean.(Matthew 18:6)

 

[Fred J]

True born again readers,

'Tithes' or even 'percentage' as offering is 'not' mentioned in the New Testament, period

However is in the Law of Moses the Old Testamentmt, and the flesh was weak to fulfill, until there were laws for the rmission of sin and purfication and cleansing.

All Israelites under the Law apparently fall under sin, bondage, curse and death, even though they comply the laws of redemption including the priests.

When Jesus brought grace and truth, in their 'unbelief' and 'blindness' they were 'opposed' the God and the new covenant, He wanted to give and make with them.

All though they were alive, Jesus on the contrary said that they were white washed tombs, pristine on the outside but bones, dirt and stench on the inside.

To cut it short, they a remnant together with us Gentiles, now are 'born again' by grace and through faith the gift of GOD, together from 'dry bones we've become flesh in the spirit.

A 'new creation' now built in the foundation of the Prophets who 'foretold' and foundation of the Apostle that has come in 'accomplishment'.

When the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled, whereby sin, bondage, curse and death was nailed on the Cross in 'accomplishment', it's since 'abolished'.

To none pertaining to the Law, whether 'dot' or 'comma', to a letter of letters demanded in them, were reintroduced to the New Testament of grace.

Those who've come under grace have the tendency of going back practicing to a letter or letters pertaining to the Law in 'ignorance'.

Even to 'tithes' and 'percentage' offerimgs to everything GOD made one prosper in one's land or now business or job, whether income, bonuses, commissions etc.

They are no longer under grace and the New Covenant/Testament/Agreement of GOD, and 'nullyfy' the 'accomplishment' of Lord Jesus Christ that has set them 'free'.

Clearly, in the New Testament, those under 'grace' and built in the foundation of the Apostles, is given also the term on 'offering' in a better way as GOD's children.

As Jesus said and is written that, "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven." (believers will not be going to Heaven) (Matthew5:20)

The only 'term' the Apostles discipled us was, 'To give a proportion (no longer percentage) from what GOD made you prosper and how much a child of GOD felt in their born again spiritual heart to give.

Moreover in the 'term' of one should be, a 'generous giver' and at the same time a 'cheerful giver', as 'doers' and 'abiders' cum bear much good fruit.

The less one gives the less one reaps, and the more one gives the more one reaps, and 'overflowing', as, 'freely you have received, freely give'.

Apparently a child of GOD who's a 'doer' and 'abider' to HIS Word of the N.T., tend to start from a spiritual child giver to a matured man giver progressively.

 

[Fred J]

Galatians 3:
10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them.
11. But that no man is justified by the Law in the sight of GOD, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12. And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 5:
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcissed(or tithing), that he is a debtor to do the whole Law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; ye are fallen from grace.

James 2:
10. For whosoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet offend in one point(even tithing or percentage), he is guilty of all.

Mind you, the Law consist of 'tithing' and 'percentage giving', and there's no 'compromise' or under under 'curse', period

 

[markalan]

Mind you, the Law consist of 'tithing' and 'percentage giving', and there's no 'compromise' or under under 'curse', period

You do know that tithing preceded the Law, right?

 

[Fred J]

You do know that tithing preceded the Law, right?

Right.

Do you know 'tithing' is in the Law?

What i meant, is it not a 'letter' in the Law?

 

[Fred J]

You do know that tithing preceded the Law, right?

So did 'circumcission'.

According to Paul, we're called and born again under the N.T. the 'new covenant' Gentiles, can we 'circumcize' like the Jews?

 

[markalan]

Right.

Do you know 'tithing' is in the Law?

Was Abraham keeping the Law?

 

[Fred J]

Was Abraham keeping the Law?

Was 'sin' recorded then?

 

[markalan]

Was 'sin' recorded then?

Abraham paid tithes out of honour, not sin. Hebrews 7

 

[Fred J]

If a man tells us "if you tithe to me you are tithing to Jesus", then they are making themselves the recipient of the tithe and they are Jesus' proxy. They are our priests under the order of Melchisedek.

Yikes!

Abraham and Melchizedek were not under the Law nor sin was recorded then and apparently they're exempted from the Law and consequences.

When the Law came sin was 'recorded', and Paul said by the Law sin came to life, meaning he knew by the Law what truly is sin and he battled. (Romans ch.7)

Including Gentiles without the Law and GOD, for basically they had the Law to some extend in their conscience, either excusing or convicting them.

When Christ came and went, Jews and Gentiles likewise come under the catergory of, 'For all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD'. (Romans3:23)

So if the church wants to go back following Abraham and Melchizedek, men get yourselves 'circumcised' as well, and all pertaining to the Law.

Grace is not for you, period

 

[Fred J]

Abraham paid tithes out of honour, not sin. Hebrews 7

Immature, give a verse in the New Testament our 'new covenant', GOD given and made with us church under 'grace', 'tithes' and 'percentage' is written for us to 'do' and 'abide'.

If not, we've nothing in common and it's in vain to continue.

 

[markalan]

Abraham and Melchizedek were not under the Law nor sin was recorded then and apparently they're exempted from the Law and consequences.

When the Law came sin was 'recorded', and Paul said by the Law sin came to life, meaning he knew by the Law what truly is sin and he battled. (Romans ch.7)

Including Gentiles without the Law and GOD, for basically they had the Law to some extend in their conscience, either excusing or convicting them.

When Christ came and went, Jews and Gentiles likewise come under the catergory of, 'For all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD'. (Romans3:23)

So if the church wants to go back following Abraham and Melchizedek, men get yourselves 'circumcised' as well, and all pertaining to the Law.

Grace is not for you, period

Romans 4:9-13

"Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.
How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.
He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,
and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith."