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True Pagan Origins
Where did this teaching and practice really come from? Former Roman Catholic priest Bart Brewer explains:
Like many of the beliefs and rites of Romanism, transubstantiation was first practiced by pagan religions. The noted historian Durant said that belief in transubstantiation as practiced by the priests of the Roman Catholic system is "one of the oldest ceremonies of primitive religion." (12) The syncretism and mysticism of the Middle East were great factors in influencing the West, particularly Italy. (13) In Egypt, priests would consecrate mest cakes which were supposed to become the flesh of Osiris. (14) The idea of transubstantiation was also characteristic of the religion of Mithra whose sacraments of cakes and haoma drink closely parallel Catholic Eucharist rites. (15)
Like many of the beliefs and rites of Romanism, transubstantiation was first practiced by pagan religions. The noted historian Durant said that belief in transubstantiation as practiced by the priests of the Roman Catholic system is "one of the oldest ceremonies of primitive religion." (12) The syncretism and mysticism of the Middle East were great factors in influencing the West, particularly Italy. (13) In Egypt, priests would consecrate mest cakes which were supposed to become the flesh of Osiris. (14) The idea of transubstantiation was also characteristic of the religion of Mithra whose sacraments of cakes and haoma drink closely parallel Catholic Eucharist rites. (15)
So Why Do They Teach It?
Before concluding our first chronicle, the question needs to be asked, "Why does the Roman Catholic Church need to have such a doctrine - why do they think that Jesus wants them to physically eat Him?" That is what truly puzzled me as I read astounded through the catechism and doctrinal instruction books. But the answer to that question is a sad one. As I said before, the implications and practical conclusions of the teaching of transubstantiation are substantially worse than the doctrine itself - and like a great web spun by an industrious spider, Rome's teachings spiral out from this central hub like the spokes of a wheel.
In Catholic Chronicle II we will look intently at the next direct result of transubstantiation in official Catholic systematic theology: "The Sacrifice of the Mass."
In Catholic Chronicle II we will look intently at the next direct result of transubstantiation in official Catholic systematic theology: "The Sacrifice of the Mass."
C'mon Jshiii, that was too easy, you know that you're not going to get contention with such a brief and clichéd statement?
But, it's interesting what you did, I assume that you're just starting to stir the pot though?
Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lord, and King of Kings, ordained as such by God before the world began.
He is the first-born of creation, and the first-born from the dead.
Lord and Saviour of all men, whether they profess it or not...
...and to those who do not accept his Messiaship, will suffer eternal consequences, whereas the faithful, will enjoy communion with both God and him, for eternity.
Did I say too much, and spoil the step-by-step process that you were intending?
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What's to argue? That's just stating a fact.
Again: What's to argue? That's just stating a fact.
At least you got the point! My hope and prayer was there would be no contention. However, I forgot about the many "Trolls", Atheist and other Evils that hide in the shadows of the Christianity Boards.
. They are staying put in the shadows which is a wonderful thing!! Thank You Lord Jesus!Gotcha, ...I thought that there was something more than just the obvious going on!At least you got the point! My hope and prayer was there would be no contention. However, I forgot about the many "Trolls", Atheist and other Evils that hide in the shadows of the Christianity Boards.
Too bad, I was looking for controversy, ...kidding!
Arguments can come from that one has a different perspective to a point.
They are talking from their own point of view.
Now I know one up the road who is extremely dictatorship religious and he is always talking form his own concept, he never truly listens but wants to dictate everything and is good with bring up verses XYZ :123 but he does not possess the Holy Spirit, everything he is on about is coming from a worldly perspective, he is only rabbiting on what he has been indoctrinated on and can not see anything beyond such points, I say you want to understand the books of the Bible boy before you just start ranting on and on. their is no point in talking to him because he will never even bother to listen. he will just yell and scream at you to try and keep you down. he says that I am not aloud to talk on some subjects in the bible, their not for you !
. this is the way it's going to go 
: type of thing, talking about the game play.Being born again is created by him telling one they are so, by just repeating words he will tell you to say and then you are born again, he has saved you
and then you can get water baptised if you want or if you care for such he says .He points to the world in as if 2000 years have not passed and people are coming and getting baptised before Christ. so water baptism has to be done only when and if the person wants to be and child water baptism is totally wrong
, but I say anyone who has a Christian mum and dad would baptise their baby because we live in a Christian Nation and not to do so would be insane because it's there duty to bring up as Christian.Now it ones mum or dad were not Christians and then I understand that it's ones own will to be baptised.
Now old mate claims are worthless and truly the work of Satan and I can say all atheist will agree with him and I have seen such is true, I ask why are people having a Naming ceremony ? so I get back nowadays is oh we do not want to offend God if they claim to be Christians or it's just that they are Atheist.
Water baptism does not save anyone but it is a duty worthy of any Christian household, in the hope that such will become born again of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism does give a child strength, I have seen it and heard many accounts where one had given up but for their water baptism gave them strength to go on, as they know that not all is lost and just give up to another's dribble. that one has that faith in the Lord, gives one the strength.
So if you do not stand up to others you will just kicked down.
Another thing is that one maybe coming at an issue from just another angle.
That other angle maybe something that they missed or do not understand to be worthy to the point or because they are not truly born again they do not understand that it's a bigger issue than they understand it to truly be and they will try to shut you down.
I could point out that what I have put forward is the key and when you come to truly understand where I am coming from, then you may understand way beyond what you ever understood and so many things will come into line.
This does not happen because the religious is on a Carnal trip. but with the Holy Spirit anything is possible.
I could point out that what I have put forward is the key and when you come to truly understand where I am coming from, then you may understand way beyond what you ever understood and so many things will come into line.
This does not happen because the religious is on a Carnal trip. but with the Holy Spirit anything is possible.
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There are different areas of the forum, and controversial issues are for the Debating Forum. That's what the debating forum is for, and people can argue the point as much as they wish, hopefully with respect and keeping away from personal abuse. The trouble is that some don't know how to debate an issue without personally abusing those who have disagreements.
But the Fellowship Forum should not have the same debates on it, although the contentious ones who do it for the sake of it don't care, and no respect for members who start threads on that forum just to fellowship with others.
The Bible Study Forum is for those who want to share what God has revealed to them out of the Bible, and are not for debating, but discussion. Trouble is that the personal abusers and arguers who want to use any Forum just as a soapbox for their own views tend to invade any Forum without due respect for the type of forum it is.
What makes it difficult in any forum are the trolls who are just contentious for the sake of it and post nonsense that "everyone is violating Scripture" or "The church in general is apostate" or similar. I think if we just ignore them, they will either start using the forums correctly, or stop posting altogether because no one will be responding to them.
As people can see from my posts, I am not backward in having a spirited, opinionated debate with those I don't agree with, and I will give folks a run for their money, but when I have said all that I can say, I leave the debate alone and walk away.
If we all agreed with each other and were on the same page, then the forum would be boring. But just because we don't agree on issues, doesn't mean that we should insult and abuse others because they see things from a different perspective.
Some might think that I am insulting sometimes, but I fire my silver pistol at what I consider false doctrine. I kick the ball in that respect, but I don't personally insult or abuse other members for what they believe - even when I am warning them that according to literal Scripture they are putting their own salvation in jeopardy. I can't make people heed my warning, but I would feel that I am not being faithful to the God I know if I didn't warn them, and so their blood God would not require at my hands for not warning them.
But the debates we have here in a spirit of respect for each other can be stimulating and fun, especially where those are in self-isolation through their country or state being in lockdown.
Just arrived home from another tough night in the ED. The Christianity Boards were first up on my list of mouse clicking. I enjoyed your thoughts, they were well received! Thanks! :)
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then,
there's the testimony of Jesus,
the witness of David Bercot,
exposing sin, coming out of sin, to enter God's Kingdom.....
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