The Apostles Burden and Message

[quietthinker]

Of what we read in the scriptures what do you suppose the burden of the Apostles was? What was it that they spoke of to their hearers? What was their primary thrust in all their letters? .....and, why should it be any different today?

 

[Episkopos]

Of what we read in the scriptures what do you suppose the burden of the Apostles was? What was it that they spoke of to their hearers? What was their primary thrust in all their letters? .....and, why should it be any different today?

The kingdom of God. Spiritual people want others to join them where they are...just like Jesus wants us to join Him where He is....in Zion. It's about the higher kind of life we can live in....the eternal life.

 

[quietthinker]

The kingdom of God. Spiritual people want others to join them where they are...just like Jesus wants us to join Him where He is....in Zion. It's about the higher kind of life we can live in....the eternal life.

What do you think they told the people re The Kingdom of God?

 

[Joseph77]

Of what we read in the scriptures what do you suppose the burden of the Apostles was?

God's Kingdom A BURDEN ? Living in Resurrection Life abiding in Jesus , one with Him and with the Father !! a burden?

Somewhere in Scripture, I don't remember where, there is a message from God about a so-called "burden".....

 

[Episkopos]

What do you think they told the people re The Kingdom of God?

First you need to state what you are trying to say in the OP.

Do you understand the kingdom of God? Have you experienced the eternal walk?

 

[quietthinker]

First you need to state what you are trying to say in the OP.

Do you understand the kingdom of God? Have you experienced the eternal walk?

Is the question too difficult Epi?

 

[quietthinker]

God's Kingdom A BURDEN ? Living in Resurrection Life abiding in Jesus , one with Him and with the Father !! a burden?

Somewhere in Scripture, I don't remember where, there is a message from God about a so-called "burden".....

Hey Joseph, wake up!..... the word 'burden' is used in the sense of what weighs on your heart not in the sense of oppression but in the sense of what gets your mojo going...what fires you up with enthusiasm.

 

[Joseph77]

starting search for "burden" to find previously mentioned reference:

Jeremiah 17:22 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.


Jeremiah 17:24 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;


Jeremiah 17:27 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.


Jeremiah 23:33 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

 

[Joseph77]

Closer:
Jeremiah 23:34 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.


Jeremiah 23:36 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

 

[Joseph77]

and more for clarity, eventually:
Jeremiah 23:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;


Lamentations 2:14 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

 

[quietthinker]

and more for clarity, eventually:
Jeremiah 23:38 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;


Lamentations 2:14 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

hey!!!! No need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Understand the original question and address that :)

 

[Joseph77]

I thought I did, and hope I didn't - since a false premise in the title, would mean nothing can be addressed properly - nothing can be built upon a false premise, right ?

There may be other thoughts / meanings of what you meant by "burden", than what Scripture/ God meant when He gave His warnings/ chastisements and so forth about those who felt "burdened" by His Word and other mentions in previous Scripture et al.....

hey!!!! No need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Understand the original question and address that

 

[quietthinker]

First you need to state what you are trying to say in the OP.

Do you understand the kingdom of God? Have you experienced the eternal walk?

I thought you'd be keen to have a go at answering Epi. Why am I asking this?.....The boards are full of all manner of lengthy explanations about all manner of things yet when it comes to what we imagine the disciples told people re the Kingdom of God folk seem to be stumped.

We could ask, did they tell the folks to be good boys and girls?....I'm sure nobody needed to tell them that. So, for those who make it appear that they have a handle on the message of Salvation, is it too much to ask what they think was communicated under that broad heading, The Kingdom of God? ....because ultimately that was the burden of the Apostles as it was of Jesus.

See if we can come up with some chutzpah.

 

[Brakelite]

starting search for "burden" to find previously mentioned reference:

Jeremiah 17:22 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.


Jeremiah 17:24 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;


Jeremiah 17:27 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.


Jeremiah 23:33 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.

Seeing you're fond of quoting Jeremiah, here I think is what quietthinker was intending by the use of the word 'burden'... Particularly as it relates to people in ministry...
KJV Jeremiah 20
9 .... But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.

 

[Rita]

Hi Quietthinker
You know I sometimes go back in my mind and try and imagine things from the prospective of those people thousands of years ago.....we know that the Kingdom progressed and grew, we know that the gospel message has been heard around the world, but the Apostles were the ones that were first commissioned with that .........they didn’t have the prospective of time. They knew that the hearers of the word would be carrying on their message, but had no way of knowing if it would survive...........they saw people come to faith, but they also saw how things crept in that were not of God. Not sure if this is what you mean, but sometimes a sense of responsibility , a care and concern for the world , a desire to see the hearts of men and women change, can be a burden that drives people to persevere ....to keep going.

is that what you meant ,or something else ? Rita

 

[quietthinker]

Hi Quietthinker
You know I sometimes go back in my mind and try and imagine things from the prospective of those people thousands of years ago.....we know that the Kingdom progressed and grew, we know that the gospel message has been heard around the world, but the Apostles were the ones that were first commissioned with that .........they didn’t have the prospective of time. They knew that the hearers of the word would be carrying on their message, but had no way of knowing if it would survive...........they saw people come to faith, but they also saw how things crept in that were not of God. Not sure if this is what you mean, but sometimes a sense of responsibility , a care and concern for the world , a desire to see the hearts of men and women change, can be a burden that drives people to persevere ....to keep going.

is that what you meant ,or something else ? Rita

It was along the lines of Jeremiah 20:9 as brakelite rightly quoted. '.....But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.'
or
John 4:34 '....'Jesus explained, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work.'

In the religious world's rush to be right, has the 'Kingdom of God' been put on a back burner? Do they even know what the Kingdom of God consists of? or am I addressing a taboo question?

For example, when Jesus sent out the seventy, two by two, he told them to
'heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.' Luke 10:9

to reiterate ....what was it they explained to the people as no doubt questions would have been forthcoming. I'm certain they didn't just say the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you, the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you and leave it at that.

 

[Brakelite]

I think that the burden was to explain Who God is like... And He's like Jesus.
KJV 1 John 1
John's Reason for Writing
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

God is good to know. He's okay. He sings. He laughs. He plays. He wants to hold our hand and have fun with us. He delights in our company and likes to spend time with us.
Imagine God sitting on a rock, telling the disciples to step aside and let the children through. God gets mobbed in the rush, the children climbing all over him, pushing Him into the grass and rolling down the hill together. They braid His hair and put flowers in His beard. What is the kingdom of God like? What's God like?
Forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.

 

[Joseph77]

Seeing you're fond of quoting Jeremiah, here I think is what quietthinker was intending by the use of the word 'burden'... Particularly as it relates to people in ministry...
KJV Jeremiah 20
9 .... But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.

Very True (God's Word) - As for Jeremiah - simply results searching for "burden" via biblegateway.

A BURNING FIRE SHUT UP IN MY BONES - is IDENTICAL TO APOSTLE PAUL, and the others -
and me ....

no burden.

God's Warnings were about acting as if the commandments were any burden at all. They aren't.

 

[bbyrd009]

God's Kingdom A BURDEN ? Living in Resurrection Life abiding in Jesus , one with Him and with the Father !! a burden?

Somewhere in Scripture, I don't remember where, there is a message from God about a so-called "burden".....

well, we do have count the cost, although that gets little attn i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Hey Joseph, wake up!..... the word 'burden' is used in the sense of what weighs on your heart not in the sense of oppression but in the sense of what gets your mojo going...what fires you up with enthusiasm.

dunno why this minds me of the word "rapture" in Scripture--the real rapture i mean, not harpazo;
Proverbs 5:19 Lexicon: As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love.
Strong's Hebrew: 7686. שָׁגָה (shagah) -- to go astray, err
how weird is that?
dont even know what to make of it