Miracles and certain spiritual gifts

[OzSpen]

Actually I didn't say there wasn't casting out Demons.

Reformed,

Isn't that a gift of the Spirit that continues today? Jesus restored a demon-possessed man (Mk 5:1-17 NIV). See also Matt 8:28-34 (NIV).

Remember what Jesus said about all who believe in Him? 'Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father'.

This verse refutes any view that wants to close down the gifts of the Spirit in the 21st century. The works Jesus did - and greater works- will be done by 'whoever believes in [Jesus]'

I urge you not to close down what Jesus declared will continue.

Oz

 

[reformed1689]

Reformed,

Isn't that a gift of the Spirit that continues today? Jesus restored a demon-possessed man (Mk 5:1-17 NIV). See also Matt 8:28-34 (NIV).

Remember what Jesus said about all who believe in Him? 'Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father'.

This verse refutes any view that wants to close down the gifts of the Spirit in the 21st century. The works Jesus did - and greater works- will be done by 'whoever believes in [Jesus]'

I urge you not to close down what Jesus declared will continue.

Oz

Again, I never said that. This is a strawman argument.

 

[Enoch111]

Sorry, you're sorely mistaken, he's mixed up big time. Do you also endorse the Christ and religion of Mormonism?

Since I have already exposed the serious errors of Mormonism (a cult) on this forum, that should suffice. You may check some older threads.

Amadeus is quite clear on the fundamentals of the faith. But he has his own style, as do others. Unless you can quote something specific to show that he is mixed up.

 

[OzSpen]

The baptism of the Spirit is the process of being born again which means to be transformed by God into a new moral life, one lived in strict obedience unto God's will.

From where in the Bible did you get that theology?

 

[OzSpen]

Again, I never said that. This is a strawman argument.

Do you agree that the full range of gifts of the Spirit in Rom 12, 1 Cor 12-14, and Eph 4:11-13 continue today?

 

[reformed1689]

Do you agree that the full range of gifts of the Spirit in Rom 12, 1 Cor 12-14, and Eph 4:11-13 continue today?

No, there are specific ones mentioned that will not continue.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Do you agree that the full range of gifts of the Spirit in Rom 12, 1 Cor 12-14, and Eph 4:11-13 continue today?

I do, 100%. :)

 

[OzSpen]

No, there are specific ones mentioned that will not continue.

Which are they? Would you please give your biblical reasons for the cessation of those gifts?

 

[Truther]

maybe, but Passover is still right there, in the original, eh

Passover was an English word invented by Tyndale.

The word pascha meant something to O.T. Jews and something else to N.T. saints.

The Jews did not say "Christ our passover(pascha) like the saints said.

 

[Truther]

Why is it fishy? In my view the KJV is old fashioned and uses stilted English. I don't think God's 'perfect word' is confined to Jacobean English, There are enough modern translations around today and it's up to the individual to choose which best suits them. My first bible as a new Christian was the Good News which I still use occasionally but now preferring the NIV or NLT.

Your Holy Ghost is opening you up to hundreds of modern versions that all represent the word of God, and are all about 50,000 words different from each other by copyright law?

I trow not!

 

[Truther]

People do have mixtures of Truth and nonsense or the knowledge or men. This comes from quenching the Holy Ghost/Spirit and taking in garbage along side what they have received from God. When a person quenches the Holy Ghost, they stop the work in them necessary to make them pure, complete and perfect.

Most churches routinely teach their members to quench the Holy Spirit when they set up their own rules for how their services are conducted. Some individuals in many of the groups still stay in touch of with the Lord and follow Him, but the tighter the rules of the group or leadership, the more difficult it is and then we come back to needing to hear...."Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins...".

I see it this way.

We receive the Spirit of truth(Holy Ghost).
It leads us and guides us into all truth.
Are all Holy Ghost filled saints led by the Spirit of truth?
If not, they have the Spirit of truth at odds with them, which is like being a clean/filthy man, or an honest liar.
The Bible truth is found in the Bible, but the "Spirit truth" is subject to the prophet....quenched truth.

 

[bbyrd009]

Passover was an English word invented by Tyndale.

The word pascha meant something to O.T. Jews and something else to N.T. saints.

The Jews did not say "Christ our passover(pascha) like the saints said.

imo the real debate is whether they participated in fertility rites at the time, regardless of the term?

 

[Truther]

imo the real debate is whether they participated in fertility rites at the time, regardless of the term?

Of course not.

That stuff was junk made up in paganism ans attached to a pure feast originally observed by N.T. saints(1 Cor 11).

Just like many other Christian events that the RCC modified.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Since I have already exposed the serious errors of Mormonism (a cult) on this forum, that should suffice. You may check some older threads.

Amadeus is quite clear on the fundamentals of the faith. But he has his own style, as do others. Unless you can quote something specific to show that he is mixed up.

I've already answered your questioning in my former post. Maybe you should take to heart what I said.

Perhaps since you think he's solid it tells me all I need to know?

Obviously you're either not paying attention, are in error as he is, or both. No person embracing Mormonism or its false "Christ" is solid or clear on fundamentals as their Christology proves. That is one serious fundamental to err on.

You've been hoodwinked my friend.

 

[Nancy]

This is one piece of useful off-topic information just for you and the rest of our Aussie mates. I heard in the news that beer manufacturers are having to dump their beer reserves because it can't be sold. For you Aussies and us Kiwis that would be tantamount to almost sacrilege! If it was in either of our two countries, what they should do is to offer the beer free, and all those beer lovers in OZ and NuZild could line up 2 metres apart with their flagons, and fill up with free beer! Would that be the ANZAC way? :)

Teetotallers need not debate this. It is just a bit of fun for us down under according to our distinctive sense of humour.

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[marksman]

ok well i can see how that might interpret to this,
but i can also see how the second part might be done innocently...and imo you can be forgiven for resisting when i Quote No son of man may die for another's sins or No one has ever gone up to heaven, basically. Someone might not realize that that "work of God" (arg) even is a work of Yah iow, and thus would not be guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, at least imo

Except that I have consulted many writers on this subject and their interpretation is the one I have given, so out of the mouth of many witnesses.

 

[Pearl]

Your Holy Ghost is opening you up to hundreds of modern versions that all represent the word of God, and are all about 50,000 words different from each other by copyright law?

I trow not!

Dost thou think thus? But verily I say unto thee, behold, they useth not outdated Jacobean English.

 

[marksman]

No, there are specific ones mentioned that will not continue.

And what are those?

 

[bbyrd009]

Except that I have consulted many writers on this subject and their interpretation is the one I have given, so out of the mouth of many witnesses.

i'm not sure defining that so succinctly would not lead to a kind of blindness at the real definition, if it were different though. Also i suspect blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not accomplished with one's mouth, but i might be wrong there. Hence why the example, as i have often been accused of doing satan's work simply by Quoting "Jesus did not die for your sins," but i would not condemn...Esau, basically, for blasphemy of the Spirit by saying that? At least if he changed his mind later anyway.

 

[marksman]

So you have thus decided because you disagree with my understanding. One of these days, hopefully, you will allow the Holy Spirit and scripture to lead you to a better understanding of what God desires of you instead of using so much human logic and the clichés you have learned to secure what you have decided.

Amadeus, having a sensible discussion about faith and spiritual gifts with someone who preaches the reformed doctrine is like a Pentecostal having a discussion with someone from scientology.