“I will spit you out” ....

[VictoryinJesus]

The whole picture that God sees is what we need to be approaching. How good is our vision? Before we know God at all we are effectively blind. Some people who do come to God then get stuck on a dead end street or miss a turn they needed to take. The to approach God and to see more clearly what He sees is first through faith [necessary for one with no or poor vision] and then through humility. The highmindedness is of course another pathway which unbelievers walk. Unfortunately believers when they move on without God follow a similar prideful pathway. We should not want to be like them, but rather like Jesus who was selfless as he walked planet Earth as a man 2000 years ago.

People see the apparent differences is what verses of scripture say to them and sometimes not being really open or that interested go ahead and decide against God in whom they do not believe or trust because they cannot understand. Of course God will help them... if they really want help. Many people like their little places in hell... this being hell for them.


As I already said we need to see the whole thing as God sees it. People often reject or ignore the OT having decided that it applies little or not at all toward them. The natural children of Israel escaped from Egypt following the man of God Moses, but in the wilderness they repeatedly seem to forget what God had already done for them. They repeatedly murmured against Moses and thereby against God. They repented and He accepted their repentance repeatedly until He would no longer accept their attempts to repent... no more room as perhaps with Esau?

Their escape from the wilderness into the Promised Land was cut off. Forty years they were to wander eating their manna and drinking the water God provided... but never to enter in... That is a picture, a type or a shadow of the reality which God promises to those who walk with Him all of the Way to the end of the road. But... on the road there are pitfalls and thorns and enemies attacking seemingly at times, continuously. After their ten rebellions against God the way into the Promised Land was closed. They had their 40 years or less, but after that, nothing but death.


Death of their flesh was the end for the natural children of Israel, who rebelled against God too much.

Death of the flesh is the end for those today who remain in the unbelief. Perhaps they will get a little satisfaction in their spouses and/or children and friends today or some fun if they have the opportunity to enjoy sports or entertainment parks or whatever temporal things may be available to some... but that is all. Many have much less fortunate than that.


Who has to be or to remain wicked today? There is a better Way, but how many can see it or are really interested if they ever look that way at all? So they "eat, drink and be merry" today if they can. As the pain and anguish of this life alone catches up with them in the lonely empty place without God, their hope is found in dying to get away from the pain of it all.

Jesus had more and those who really trust in Him have more. They have not less than Hope.

Some will refuse the idea that this place of our flesh is our trial, or way to move closer to Him if we really love Him. Too many are too selfish in wanting to receive the blessings of God but unwilling to admit the need to drink a cup that is very bitter indeed. In pursuing and desiring the 'good' things of the flesh here and now, with their words, 'I am saved' lose sight of how much God loves us. Did He love His Son Jesus enough to 'save' him from the horrible suffering and death which were part of his cup? What is in our cup, which is ours to drink?

How many of us will be blessed as young Stephen was blessed...? Do we love God so much that as they stone us to a painful physical death, we will be focused on Jesus and God in spite of what he had not would not receive in this temporal world of flesh.

But the ungodly are who? Has anyone who knew and saw God been blinded because he took his eyes off of God? Consider the case of Samson, who was richly blessed, but following his own flesh away from God had his eyes put out.
Or consider the prophet [I Kings 13] sent out of Judah to King Jeroboam the first king of the separated northern 10 tribes. That prophet of God prophesied about the not yet born good king Josiah of Judah, but then the prophet lost his focus looking to what men offered instead of holding to God. A lion killed him and he never made it home again...

People want to say that they cannot so displease God once they have repented and been 'saved' but they ignore the scriptures that say otherwise and they effectively call our unchanging God a liar by saying that He treats them better than He did those who lived as men in the OT...

Help us dear Lord!

Amadeus, I do value your taking time to respond above and considering your experience and maturity I would say you know something I don’t know and have seen something I have not. But that leaves me questioning if I know Him then. As I hear things which are not true which means I follow after a fantasy I created in my own mind. struggle with the message of how much God loves us and yet how okay we are with those in our lives, our families, our friends who refuse Him to burn in hell. heard so often how it was their choice. Get some say “not burn in hell” they just cease to be, dead in the grave to soften the blow. Same thing someone told me... “when you die. That is it...there is nothing.” and that is okay for the majority? Take this topic. Seen this member post time and time again encouragement and edifying threads where no one responds or comments ...yet when it comes to spitting some out now this is a worthy and fascinating topic. Jonah 4:5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

starting to feel like another member who posed the question “what is the point?” It goes no where. “A few” safe, while “the majority” are what...Waste. Another member which I value their insight also: once softened it as those which don’t make it to heaven are not really people but an image ...like a simulator so God doesn’t really destroy people. Only some are real or valuable and that is who it is for...those and not the others. All of it is beginning to feel like a mind-trip of “the few” and “the majority” where the few set up booths to watch what happens to the majority because they deserve it. And this is the message meaning I’m chasing after some fantasy, a figment of my imagination. Sorry for the gloom and doom but it is where I am right now...which may mean I’m one of those who doesn't continue till the end.

 

[amadeus]

@VictoryinJesus
The vision and understanding need to be your own... but you alone cannot form them, not correctly as God sees it. You can listen to or read the thoughts and beliefs of another person, and they sound good, but then along comes another one, with some very different ideas, which conflict with those of the first one. Study, listen, hear, read... but this for me is the eating his flesh alone. That flesh, even it is good or potentially good will ultimately do you no good without the quickening of the Holy Spirit in you.

When you read or study the Bible, talk to God while you do it. Read a verse or chapter and then talk with God and then return to the reading. Back and forth or the two together if you can do it that way. This allows the Holy Spirit in the thing for sure. This, as I see it, is the blood, the Blood of Jesus, which brings to Life the dead flesh so that the Word of God [Living Word] it is rather than a dead memory of something you read and/or studied.

Remember that a confirmed atheist can learn the Bible. You are not an atheist, so use the difference between what you are and where you are to accomplish something not working in an atheist, the Word of God. The Bible contains it, but without the Holy Spirit you cannot grow by consuming it.

Amadeus, I do value your taking time to respond above and considering your experience and maturity I would say you know something I don’t know and have seen something I have not. But that leaves me questioning if I know Him then. As I hear things which are not true which means I follow after a fantasy I created in my own mind. struggle with the message of how much God loves us and yet how okay we are with those in our lives, our families, our friends who refuse Him to burn in hell.

If I know something worthwhile that you do not, it is something that the Holy Spirit has quickened within me. People often pay lip service to the Holy Spirit, but it definitely takes more than that to grow. Also at the other extreme, some people pray, talking tongues and carry on continuously with the gift they have received. I guess it is like a talented baseball player who exercises his body with calisthenics but never picks up a ball or a bat or a glove and never goes to the ball park and plays with a team. His talent never really used is wasted. People waste the Holy Spirit they have received and eventually somewhere along the way they lose what God has given them:

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:12

The Holy Spirit needs raw material to work with... Watching Batman of TV is not good material on which to build. The Holy Spirit will not bring to Life within you what you consumed while watching Batman. If however, you spent a hour or so studying your Bible while talking to God, something real just might be brought to Life in you: The Word of God!

You might get raw materials from your own Bible study and reading, or by listening to a Bible preacher of teacher... or even reading posts on a forum like this one. Lots of garbage here. The Holy Spirit knows the difference between 'good' food and garbage even if we in our own minds of flesh do not. This is why you must learn to let the Holy Spirit in you have his way leading you. That does not just happen. People grow up in their flesh learning to take control of their own lives. Children with less than perfect parents or even evil parents in the flesh, if they are to survive, must learn early to take hold of their own reins. That is the flesh and for the flesh it can be a good thing.

With God you must go in the other direction. If you had good natural parents, they would have been there to stop you from falling and would have taught you to do things the right way. To really follow God you must learn to let go of your own reins giving them to the Holy Spirit. Most churches where I have attended most of the time regularly teach you to abide by the rules of that church house as in 'stand up when the preacher stands', 'pray when the preacher prays', 'testify when someone [some person] in authority says it is time', 'talk in tongues', 'don't talk in tongues', etc. Maybe a person can grow some in the midst of all that mostly carnal leadership, but as we see on this forum and by the numerous denominations in our home towns with their conflicting beliefs and doctrines, something is not right. The Holy Spirit does not cause confusion, but, when followed, leads people into unity with Jesus as their Head, the Head of the Body of Christ.

Let go of your reins, regularly handing them to the Holy Spirit within you. You may need to do this every time you need to make a decision that matters to God. This could be once a day, but more likely it will be many times daily... at least, until you have formed the good habit of giving it to Him before confronted with some new perhaps controversial situation where you need to decide something.

heard so often how it was their choice. Get some say “not burn in hell” they just cease to be, dead in the grave to soften the blow. Same thing someone told me... “when you die. That is it...there is nothing.” and that is okay for the majority? Take this topic. Seen this member post time and time again encouragement and edifying threads where no one responds or comments ...yet when it comes to spitting some out now this is a worthy and fascinating topic. Jonah 4:5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

Some people are unwilling to let go of what they have encountered or received already that seems so good when they look back and compare it with where they were and what they had before they met Jesus. But... I have found that we really need to let go of those things [everything] when we get together alone with God reading, studying, praying, just talking with God. This is what I call 'bottom starting" based on Luke 14:8-11 where the man is advised to go to the "lowest room" . This means going all the way back to where you were nothing and had nothing of God. This includes your most closely held or cherished beliefs and doctrines. This is the time when you are allowing God in you to correct or add to whatever you have been to that point. Lots of times I walk away from such a session with nothing new of which I am aware, but other times I have been changed, in some very basic ways [beliefs]. People don't do this much. They take hold of a rigidly established set of beliefs, doctrines, dogmas or whatever you want to call them. They won't let go for anything... not even for God because they have never allowed themselves to trust God that much. They trust their ministers, or friends, or families, or teachers, or their own minds... instead of God.

This can be a lot deeper, but I cannot do it for you. It is, as it must be, between you and God. This is part of, at least in a way, your prayer and study sessions, but it is in addition to it as well.

starting to feel like another member who posed the question “what is the point?” It goes no where. “A few” safe, while “the majority” are what...Waste. Another member which I value their insight also: once softened it as those which don’t make it to heaven are not really people but an image ...like a simulator so God doesn’t really destroy people. Only some are real or valuable and that is who it is for...those and not the others. All of it is beginning to feel like a mind-trip of “the few” and “the majority” where the few set up booths to watch what happens to the majority because they deserve it. And this is the message meaning I’m chasing after some fantasy, a figment of my imagination. Sorry for the gloom and doom but it is where I am right now...which may mean I’m one of those who doesn't continue till the end.

People have oftentimes decided that there is one set place to be in God in belief, in faith, in doctrine, in knowledge... and some of them will assume or presume that they are already there. How great is our God? In our greatest moment, how great are we? Are we like Him already? How much like Him are we? Yet after asking and then trying to answer those questions honestly we fail to yield ourselves completely to Him so that we can become as He allows it and as we allow it, to become even more like Him.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Revelation 3:16 (NASB)
‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
...

... and the corollary is:

Matt. 11: 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.​

... where the kingdom of heaven doesn't come to us while reclining on a sofa, eating Lays® potato chips, drinking a Pepsi®, and watching Oprah®. It come to those who pursue by aggressive action.


Bobby Jo

 

[Not me]

... and the corollary is:

Matt. 11: 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.​

... where the kingdom of heaven doesn't come to us while reclining on a sofa, eating Lays® potato chips, drinking a Pepsi®, and watching Oprah®. It come to those who pursue by aggressive action.


Bobby Jo

Be blessed as you pursue Christ with all your heart, for He has promised to be found by those that do.....

A fellow pursuer, Not me

 

[icxn]

...I struggle with the message of how much God loves us and yet how okay we are with those in our lives, our families, our friends who refuse Him to burn in hell...

He does love us very much and He is very diligent in finding excuses to save people and not condemn them. It is us who judge people harshly. If I may post a story...

There was an ascetic elder and anchorite, who had been leading an ascetic life in a desert place for seventy years, in fasting, chastity and vigil. Although he labored for God for so many years, he was never accounted worthy to receive a vision or revelation from God. Thinking about this and bearing this in mind he said, “Perhaps my ascesis is not pleasing to God for some reason I do not know, and my work is unacceptable; and on account of this I am not able to receive a revelation or behold any mystery.”

Contemplating these things the elder began to ask and supplicate God even more, praying and saying, “Lord, if my ascesis is pleasing to you and you accept my deeds, I – a sinner and unworthy one – ask of you, to grant even unto me a drop of your gifts, that I may learn from the appearance of a mystery that you have heard my prayer, so that emboldened and enlightened I may live out my ascetical life.” As the holy elder was praying and asking these things, he heard the voice of God say to him, “If you desire to see My glory, go to the inner desert and mysteries will be revealed to you.”

When the elder heard this, he went out of his cell and went far from there. A thief then came across him who, upon seeing the abba, violently rushed at him desiring to kill him. And when he caught him he said to him, “It’s a good thing I ran into you, Elder, so that I can finish my job and be saved. For we thieves have this custom and law and belief: that he who commits one hundred murders will surely go to paradise. So I, having labored hard, have murdered ninety-nine, and lacking one more I have tried hard to finish my hundredth and be saved. So I really owe you and thank you, because today I will delight in paradise because of you.”

And when the elder heard the thief say these things, he was beside himself and was afraid at this sudden and hopeless temptation. And turning the eyes of his mind towards God and reflecting on these things he said, “Is this Your glory, Lord and Master, which You promised to show me Your servant? What counsel is this You have given me, to leave my cell and be informed by this dreadful mystery? With such gifts you pay the recompense for the ascesis which I underwent for Your sake? Now I truly know, Lord, that all the labor of my ascesis was in vain; and every one of my prayers before You was considered as abhorrent and a desecration. However, I thank you for Your philanthropy, Lord, that, as You know best, You chastise my unworthiness, as is needed, because of my uncountable sins and you have given me over to the hands of a thief and murderer.”

Saying these things the pitiful elder thirsted greatly and said to the thief, “My child, since I am a sinner God has given me over to you for you to kill me and for you to have your way, as you have desired, and I to be deprived of life, as the evil man that I am. For this I ask you to do me a favor – a slight wish – and give me a little water to drink, and then cut my head off.” When the thief had listened to the elder, willing to fulfill the elder’s wish he put his sword back into its sheath, as he had been holding it out. And he pulled out a flask from his bosom and went to a river that was close by so as to fill it up and take to the elder to drink. And there where he went to fill the flask, he gave up his soul and died. So, when a little time passed and the thief did not come, the elder pondered and said, “Perhaps he was sleepy and fell asleep and that is why he is slow in returning and I will be able flee to my cell. But seeing as I am old, I am afraid, since I do not have the strength to run, and as one weak I will become tired and he will catch up with me. Then I will anger him and he will want to torture me without pity, cutting me in many pieces while still alive. Better I do not leave, but go to the river to see what he is doing.” So the elder went thinking about such things and found him dead, and when he saw him he marveled and was taken aback. And lifting his hands toward heaven, he said, “Lord Who loves mankind, if You do not reveal to me this mystery, I will not lower my hands. Therefore, pity my toil and reveal to me this thing.”

As the elder prayed these things, an angel of the Lord came and said to him, “Do you see, Abba, this dead man who lies before you? For your sake he was taken by sudden death, so that you may escape and he not kill you. Therefore, bury him as one saved. For obeying you by returning his murderous sword to its sheath in order to bring you water to quench the flame of your thirst, he pacified the wrath of God and was accepted as a worker of obedience (Matthew 10:42). And his divulgence of the ninety-nine murders was counted as confession. Therefore, bury him and consider him among the saved. And by this, know the expanse of God’s philanthropy and compassion. And rejoicing, go to your cell and be avid in your prayers, and do not feel sorrow and say that you are a sinner and deprived of revelation. For behold, God has revealed a mystery to you. And know this too, that all the toil of your ascesis is acceptable before God; for there is no toil that is done for God’s sake that does not come before Him.” Having heard this the elder buried the dead man.​

 

[prism]

But what is of value is pursuing Christ with all our hearts

Yet the command is not just our hearts but...
Mark 12:30 (KJV) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Be blessed as you pursue Christ with all your heart, for He has promised to be found by those that do.....

... and YES HE DOES:

Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.​

Bobby Jo

 

[charity]

Revelation 3:16 (NASB)
‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

The whole book of Revelations is about the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ...The bringing forth and the Glorification of Him in and by His body, His people...

This is the context that all the encouragements, warnings, need to be taken... For He says in Revelations itself, “those I love I reprove and discipline”...He does not cast away those He loves and discipline’s... Some will respond to this discipline more, some less, but what is at stake is the testimony and witness of Christ being manifested through that part of the body....When it says, “remove the lamp stand out of its place unless you repent”

Revelation 2:5 (NASB)
‘Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.

It, once again is talking about the witness and testimony in a life being removed from out of its place, where it belongs...For the witness and testimony of Christ is the lamp stand, the shining forth of His light out from the believer....For Jesus does belong in each and every believer’s life. But, because, for whatever reason a believer loses that witness and testimony shining through them does not mean that God has given up on them and turned them over to a reprobate mind....They as we all have experienced, as those that are His, we can repent, and turn back to Him... It might, will and does take time and obedience to get the witness and testimony of Christ shining back through our life’s once again...But as long as today is called today, we can grow in Him, and put the lamp stand back in it’s place and once again have the light of God shine through our lives. Why? Because we are part and parcel of His body and can never not be part of His body.

Why?

Because we are His, because we are saved, born again, born into His family, which family relationship can never be broken. Because just like when we were born into this world this birth can never be undone for it has happened the Eternal Divine nature, that is our second birth. Which is even more glorious and eternal, because it is His life born in us which it to can never be undone....

But it needs to grow in us, henceforth all the warnings, cautions, encouragements against not growing, falling out of our place, the place we belong, where the light of God’s love shines through all His body fully. That the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ might be seen in our lives by all..

Blessings to all that are in His family, a brother in the faith, Not me

'Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen,
and repent, and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly,
and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.'
(Revelation 2:5)

Hello @Not me,

I enjoyed reading the application you made of Revelation 2:5, to the believer of this present day. For regardless of to whom this was addressed, it has, as with all Scripture, an application for us all to learn from and benefit by (2 Timothy 3:16).

However, you have had quite a negative response from some, which I believe was because of the subject heading that you gave to the thread, which you did not address in your OP itself.

'I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:
I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of My mouth.'
(Revelation 3:15-16)

* However the book of Revelation has no application for the Church which is the Body of Christ, and the words of Revelation 3:15-16 would never be spoken in relation to that company.

* I praise God for the grace you have shown in your responses to those who have opposed you.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Be blessed for if you are sincere and trust really always in Him to end of your course, you will certainly always be His child. I won't argue our differences with you. At least your answer is a soft one.

Like you, I have observed that "Not me" always gives a soft answer. If only I could do the same. I'm not very good at it.

 

[charity]

'I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:
I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of My mouth.'
(Revelation 3:15)

Hello @Not me,

This was written to the remnant of Jews of Laodicea in that future day. The same result of unfaithfulness in not keeping the word and commandments of God is spoken of in Leviticus 18:25-28 and Leviticus 20:22, where the people are told that for such disobedience, the very land should spue them out. Compare Zechariah 11:1-9, and Hosea 4:6-7.

'And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it,
and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Ye shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments,
and shall not commit any of these abominations;
neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled )
That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it,
as it spued out the nations that were before you.'
(Leviticus 18:25)

'Ye shall therefore keep all My statutes, and all My judgments, and do them:
that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you:
for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.'
(Leviticus 20:22)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

This is a very contradictory message. As in.."those I love can ignore my warnings because even though I say I will spit you out...I'd never actually do it??"

Normally, people who hold to your view stay away from warnings by ignoring them. Here you post the warning and then ignore the warning...blatantly....by spinning the narrative in such an obvious way. Yet, many who are indoctrinated too will see the OP as perfectly logical. It's like getting used to the warnings and learning how to ignore them...together. ;(

The truth is that while God loves us He MUST judge us righteously. So we could be lost. THAT is the message. We lose ourselves through our own neglect.

So the point is to fear the Lord NOT be smug as you are intimating. You have drawn the wrong conclusion by twisting the text to mean the opposite of what it's saying.

IOW Jesus will spit us out of His mouth...even though we are loved...because WE have missed doing the will of God.

God is not a respecter of persons. And being saved and given grace makes the judgment HARDER not easier. More will be required of us...not less.

People need to hear the truth not comforting lies.

But we are free to continue to ignore the warnings until that day. We can suit ourselves and say...peace, peace....only good will happen to me....I'm special.

“Are you defending God with lies?
Do you make your dishonest arguments for his sake?
8 Will you slant your testimony in his favor?
Will you argue God’s case for him?
9 What will happen when he finds out what you are doing?
Can you fool him as easily as you fool people?
10 No, you will be in trouble with him
if you secretly slant your testimony in his favor.
11 Doesn’t his majesty terrify you?
Doesn’t your fear of him overwhelm you?
12 Your platitudes are as valuable as ashes.
Your defense is as fragile as a clay pot.

Hello @Episkopos and @stunnedbygrace,

I believe your comments regarding @Not me and the words of his OP is unjust. I also believe that your application of Revelation 3:1, Episkopos to believers of this present day is not correct. For there is no way that those who are made one with Christ, and who are accepted in the Beloved would be given a warning of this nature. Revelation 3:15 is addressed to the remnant of Jews living in Laodicea during the days portrayed in the book of Revelation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Right, because all the warnings of God are not for His people. They are for those who are not His people.

 

[Not me]

However, you have had quite a negative response from some, which I believe was because of the subject heading that you gave to the thread, which you did not address in your OP itself.

Your post too was a pleasure to read..

I thought and my intent was to show that the spueing/spitting was not the individual believer losing their salvation that was being spoke of but the witness and testimony of Jesus that was no longer going to be manifested..

I hold that all of the letters to the church are for the body of Christ, or they are just for those individual church(s) it’s either all or nothing, can’t have this, but not that..

But I can only walk in all the light I see as well as with all other’s that are His..

Be blessed as we Lord willing are granted more light, Not me

 

[charity]

Right, because all the warnings of God are not for His people. They are for those who are not His people.

Hello @stunnedbygrace,

Is this addressed to me?

Those who have put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, are warned about several things, but never given cause to believe that they will ever lose their salvation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Not me]

Right, because all the warnings of God are not for His people. They are for those who are not His people.

I do believe some and actually quite a lot of Christ’s warnings are written to humanity as a whole and not pointed at His people... As are those in Hebrews...But this may be a hard saying.

So our being built up in Christ is us growing closer to Him in our personal relationships with Him..So I in that relationship you have with Him, I wish you all the good things in and of Christ..

Be blessed as we all grow in Him, Not me

 

[bbyrd009]

struggle with the message of how much God loves us and yet how okay we are with those in our lives, our families, our friends who refuse Him to burn in hell.

yet when you go look, this "hell" that we imagine is not found in Scripture, but rather Gehenna right? Which is right here on Erets?

once softened it as those which don’t make it to heaven are not really people but

and again with this imaginary place called "heaven," which no one has ever gone up to, according to Scripture?

And this is the message meaning I’m chasing after some fantasy, a figment of my imagination.

yes, although i would suggest that the fantasy was supplied to us, and therefore we have a lot of misinformation to overcome, or maybe forget

 

[bbyrd009]

... and the corollary is:

Matt. 11: 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.​

... where the kingdom of heaven doesn't come to us while reclining on a sofa, eating Lays® potato chips, drinking a Pepsi®, and watching Oprah®. It come to those who pursue by aggressive action.


Bobby Jo

ha as if that v was like directions for the meek to follow or something?
Bobby Jo?

 

[bbyrd009]

He does love us very much and He is very diligent in finding excuses to save people and not condemn them.

Who told you that you were naked? seems to completely remove any condemnation from Yah's realm even, eh

It is us who judge people harshly.

word

 

[charity]

Your post too was a pleasure to read..

I thought, and my intent was, to show that the souring/spitting was not the individual believer losing their salvation that was being spoke of but the witness and testimony of Jesus that was no longer going to be manifested..

Yes, all of the letters to the church are for the body of Christ or they are just for those individual church it’s either all or nothing can’t have this but not that..

But I can only walk in all the light I see as well as with all other’s that are His..

Be blessed as we Lord willing are granted more light, Not me

Hello @Not me

I believe that the words of the book of Revelation refer to what will happen in 'the Lord's day' (Revelation 1:9), or 'the day of the Lord' (Isaiah 2:11) when God judges, referred to elsewhere in Scripture: in contrast with man's day (1 Corinthians 4:3); in which we now live, when man judges. The letters written to the assemblies in that day, are not written to The Church which is The Body of Christ: which is the subject of the later epistles of Paul (Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon) based on Romans 5:12-8:39: and only confusion can result by considering them to be so.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hello @stunnedbygrace,

Is this addressed to me?

Those who have put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, are warned about several things, but never given cause to believe that they will ever lose their salvation.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

It is quite literally impossible to read the word of God and come to that conclusion unless you have been indoctrinated. It is the indoctrination that causes such arrogance.