Is this going to be the mark of the beast?

[Waiting on him]

Ecclesiastes 3:18 KJV
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Now this is God's revelation to man.

 

[Timtofly]

Revelation 1:1 KJV
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revealed to whom?

That is a good question. God requires all his servants to do their own home work. Remember that part about one of the disciples not dying, until the very end? There is 100% surety that John is actually living on earth today, making notes. God did not reveal it to him. He is "going to school" the hard way, so he can do a book report in the first century. So yes, God is revealing history to all equally. Only, one human has to go back and give the report to the church, as the last book of the Bible.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Revelation 1:1 KJV
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revealed to whom?

I only asked 3 questions. I'll ask them again and answer your question as well

- "Revelations is a symbolic book that was not written to us but to the 1st century Christians"
What is your evidence for this

- What kind of symbolism was John trying to convey to the 1st century Christians in the book of Revelation?

- Do u acknowledge that Revelation is a prophecy which describes the second coming of Christ?

To answer your question. The prophecy was revealed to John

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this PROPHECY Revelation 1:3

 

[APAK]

Not the Mark per se although a tool that gives you a real time social credit score or rating, analogous to the 'benign' credit score' of today. This one is by far more intrusive and personal, to control movement and access to purchases etc..China has this system already in place today..and it is evolving..

and this one..

APAK

 

[Waiting on him]

Do u acknowledge that Revelation is a prophecy which describes the second coming of Christ?

Yes.

What kind of symbolism was John trying to convey to the 1st century Christians in the book of Revelation?

The things which must shortly come too pass.

- "Revelations is a symbolic book that was not written to us but to the 1st century Christians"
What is your evidence for this

Its the things which must shortly come too pass.

 

[Waiting on him]

To answer your question. The prophecy was revealed to John

Read the first verse of chapter one aloud, this will help

 

[Waiting on him]

63072000000 seconds later and here we are saying " shortly " ¿

 

[Waiting on him]

These things must come too pass

 

[quietthinker]

Is this going to be the mark of the beast?...No, I don't think so! If anything, this is a testing of the waters so to speak ie, lets see what sort of a reaction/response we get from people/individuals, from communities, states and nations.

The real string pullers are in the background unseen observing all.

 

[quietthinker]

No, Revelations is a symbolic book that was not written to us but to the 1st century Christians. While it is profitable for us it was not to us nor is it literal. People like them have been around forever and they not by any stretch that bad. Hitler, pol pot, and others were much worse. People have been saying it is the end forever never to happen because they all misinterpreted the Scriptures

It is clear historyb that you are not familiar with this book!

 

[historyb]

What is your evidence for this?
What kind of symbolism was John trying to convey to the 1st century Christians in the book of Revelation?

Mainly that they were going to be okay and vindicated when the persecution of Nero's was over and that God is always in control

Do u acknowledge that Revelation describes the second coming of Christ?

No

The word "revelation" comes from the word "reveal".
John makes this prophecy on the basis that it was revealed to him by God. That's why it's called the book of Revelation

It's actually called the Apocalypse of John, the Revelation from Jesus Christ. That does not make it about the future just that it was a revelation whivh it was to those the book was written to which is not us in the 21st century.

@Enoch111 also made a good point in that the prophecy of Daniel coincidences with the prophecy of John



The book of Revelation has been interpreted as a prophecy since it was written.
It is the position of the Catholic and Orthodox churches and I think the Protestant churches are also in agreement

So i would say that coming out and claiming that everyone in the last 2000 years has been wrong would require some overwhelming evidence.
Do u have such evidence?

I am a type of Preterist I reject evangelical ideas, all of them

I would say it why it is called a testament?

The book is not called a testament it is called the Apocalypse of John, the Revelation from Jesus Christ it was very conversational and almost did not make it in the Scripture canon

It is clear historyb that you are not familiar with this book!

I am familiar with the book, I reject futurism and evangelicalism. Not everyone has to say that the book is future and it is evident from the internal structure who it was written to and why. Notice in verse 1 of Chapter 1 it says shortly to come to pass, not to come to pass after 21 centuries

 

[quietthinker]

quietthinker said: ↑
It is clear historyb that you are not familiar with this book!

historyb said:
I am familiar with the book, I reject futurism and evangelicalism
......................
You've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Renniks]

I only asked 3 questions. I'll ask them again and answer your question as well

- "Revelations is a symbolic book that was not written to us but to the 1st century Christians"
What is your evidence for this

- What kind of symbolism was John trying to convey to the 1st century Christians in the book of Revelation?

- Do u acknowledge that Revelation is a prophecy which describes the second coming of Christ?

To answer your question. The prophecy was revealed to John

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this PROPHECY Revelation 1:3

A better question is: Why would John be warning first-century Christians about something that would not happen for 2000 plus years? He was warning actual churches about events that would soon come to pass. How was the reader of that day supposed to understand who the Antichrist is if he is not even yet revealed in 2020?

 

[Waiting on him]

So the group you fellowship with call it the new?

The book is not called a testament it is called the Apocalypse of John, the Revelation from Jesus Christ it was very conversational and almost did not make it in the Scripture canon

I wasn't speaking of the book of revelation all though I feel it's an important part of the new testament.

 

[quietthinker]

A better question is: Why would John be warning first-century Christians about something that would not happen for 2000 plus years? He was warning actual churches about events that would soon come to pass. How was the reader of that day supposed to understand who the Antichrist is if he is not even yet revealed in 2020?

The matters to be understood will be understood by the diligent searcher.....this process is unfolding both in regards to personal experience and that of history.
Being mindful not to superimpose human limits on God's word, in this case, time, will aid in avoiding erroneous conclusions.
Without diligent search/enquiry one cannot expect any sort of clarity.

 

[Enoch111]

A better question is: Why would John be warning first-century Christians about something that would not happen for 2000 plus years?

That is a totally unwarranted assumption. In fact you could call it naive and foolish.

Were the prophets only speaking to their generation, or were they speaking of events which were thousands of years away? John was writing that which would be applicable until the Second Coming of Christ AND BEYOND.

 

[Cristo Rei]

The term "shortly" is a very subjective one and can really mean anything. To us it definitely doesn't mean 100 years
What does "shortly" mean to God, in reference to eternity? We don't really know

So, you believe that the events in the book of Revelation have already taken place in the 1st century.
U believe it describes the second coming of Christ.
But Christ didn't return in the 1st century, there was no final judgement and no new heaven and earth.
How do u account for these contradictions?

 

[FollowHim]

And in case you have missed this, Dr. Zelenko's treatment is now public knowledge, but Mr. Trump is backing Gilead/Fauci's Remdesivir.

Dr. Zelenko's miracle cures coronavirus

March 31, 2020
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, after he successfully treated 350 coronavirus patients with 100 percent success using a cocktail of drugs: hydroxychloroquine, in combination with azithromycin (Z-Pak), an antibiotic to treat secondary infections, and zinc sulfate. Dr. Zelenko said he saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment.

Now, Dr. Zelenko provides updates on the treatment after he successfully treated 699 COVID-19 patients in New York. In an exclusive interview with former New York Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, Dr. Vladmir Zelenko shares the results of his latest study, which showed that out of his 699 patients treated, zero patients died, zero patients intubated, and four hospitalizations.

Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message last week calling on President Trump to “advise the country that they should be taking this medication.”

There are many other success stories about hydroxychloroquine across the country. Last week, Dr. William Grace, an oncologist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, said they’ve not had a single death in their hospital because of hydroxychloroquine. “Thanks to hydroxychloroquine, we have not had a death in our hospital,’ Dr. Grace said.

Also, in a study conducted by the National Institute of Health (NIH) also confirmed some of Dr. Zelenko’s findings. The study by NIH showed that Zinc supplementation decreases the morbidity of lower respiratory tract infection in pediatric patients in the developing world. A second study also conducted by NIH titled: “In Vitro Antiviral Activity and Projection of Optimized Dosing Design of Hydroxychloroquine for the Treatment of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),” also showed hydroxychloroquine to be more potent in killing the virus off in vitro (in the test tube and not in the body).

Below is a video of his latest interview explaining the success of the treatment.

Dr. Zelenko's miracle cures coronavirus | 14 Street Medical

I simply do not understand anyone who thinks in hydroxycholoroquine was a solution it would not be rolled out.
Put simply there are enough cases of people being poisoned by over dosing on hydroxycholoroquine for it not to be a simple solution. The reason for blind studies, where placebo and the drug as used because these solutions can look good in one situation and kill in another.

There is not a globalist elite, there are worried people looking for a solution, and it takes time.
It took a long time to bring AIDs under control, but they did.

 

[FollowHim]

It is possible that the Donald knows or suspects what is going on and is waiting for the right time when he has all his evidence on hand
I hope so anyway cos im not sure if there is anyone else that is powerful enough to stop all this and expose it

I was thinking of what the worse case scenario would be if the vaxx was mandated
My answer was the end of humanity due to a poisonous vaccine

Now just recently I heard Dr Buttar voicing the same concerns. It really gave me the chills to hear it come from a doctor

The idea of a vaccine card for entry into countries is not new. Back in the 70's they were used. If you were not vaccinated against certain illnesses you could not enter some countries. The logic was simple. They did not want you getting ill and having to go to hospital in that country, which is very expensive and difficult, when a simple vaccination solves the problem.

And Bill Gates is right, something like this will come into force. It will have to to protect the wider community and to enable travel internationally. Would you go to Nigeria if you knew you would get covid-19 and bring it home?
Would you have a meeting with someone who was covid-19 positive?

If not how would you manage this if both these things must happen, going to Nigeria and meeting someone?

This is not a grand conspiracy but simple medicine. If going to hospital would kill you, would you go even if you had a serious condition?

 

[Cristo Rei]

The idea of a vaccine card for entry into countries is not new. Back in the 70's they were used. If you were not vaccinated against certain illnesses you could not enter some countries. The logic was simple. They did not want you getting ill and having to go to hospital in that country, which is very expensive and difficult, when a simple vaccination solves the problem

I can understand being vaccinated against dangerous diseases such as malaria and such.
Im not anti vaxx. Im pro choice. Im pro human rights. Im pro constitution. Im pro patients rights

Would you go to Nigeria if you knew you would get covid-19 and bring it home?
Would you have a meeting with someone who was covid-19 positive?

C19 is such a mild virus that I would actually prefer to catch it as to bolster my immune system naturally
I would then be careful not to come into contact with the sick and elderly, same as the flu

If going to hospital would kill you, would you go even if you had a serious condition?

Well many people have died in this same fashion. Their so afraid of getting C19 that they won't go to hospital.
All because of the fear mongering. Only the sick and elderly are at risk

This is not a grand conspiracy but simple medicine

Medicine is not at all simple. That's why it requires so many years of study.
Without knowing the other side of the story, as told by medical professionals, u are really only parroting what they want u to say.

Do u know what lobby groups are and what they do? Then ask yourself why the pharmaceutical industry spends the most money on lobbying.
And if u think its for our health then there is nothing that can cure your delusion unfortunately

Vaccine yourself and family without doing your homework, that's your choice.
But don't force that poison on to me and my family thank you very much.
Such act is a criminal one, it violates the constitution, legislation, laws and our rights