Nebuchadnezzar's Statue vs. Heads of the Beast - How Would You Link Them?

[ewq1938]

"kingdoms" ? In Revelation 17:17, it says "kingdom" singular.

A king has one kingdom, not multiple kingdoms.

In Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

In Daniel 7:23-24, the singular kingdom is that of the fourth beast. The ten horns (ten kings) arise out of the fourth kingdom.

Each king has a smaller kingdom within the larger global beast kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire.

No. Daniels 4th kingdom was defeated by a coming of God and judgement day which is not how Rome fell. The first 3 kingdoms also continue on after the 4th kingdom is destroyed. Nothing matches Rome.

The ten kings will arise out of the Roman Empire manifested in the end times - the EU.

Daniel does not say the horns of the defeated beast live on centuries later. The entire beast kingdom and it's horns are destroyed in Daniel 7 and no part rises up again in the future.

The 7 heads, as representing 7 kings in Revelation 17:10, are 7 kings that do not rule at the same time, but are sequential as indicated by the text.

No, the heads are mountains and the ten horns are kings. The heads/mountains are not kings.

The 7 heads exist at the same time but the 7 kings are consecutive and do not exist at the same time which proves the heads are not also the 7 kings. For your interp to work all the 7 kings have to exist at the same time but the text specifically says they do not since most have died very long ago.

 

[Davy]

A king has one kingdom, not multiple kingdoms.

Not what Daniel 7 & 8 and Revelation 17 shows.

The "ten horns" of the beast kingdom represents "ten kings" we are told, both in Daniel and in Rev.17. Dan.7 shows the "little horn", an 11th king, will come up among the ten horns, and will subdue 3 of the ten kings. That is pointing to a structure for the beast at the end that will have the "little horn" king over it all, then a 3 king division, and then a remainder 7 king division of the earth. So just as per old history, like in ancient Ireland, they had a great king over many other lower kings.

No. Daniels 4th kingdom was defeated by a coming of God and judgement day which is not how Rome fell. The first 3 kingdoms also continue on after the 4th kingdom is destroyed. Nothing matches Rome.

The actual Daniel 7 Scripture reveals the 4th beast linked with the final beast kingdom at the end of this world. It has not... been destroyed yet; it hasn't even manifested on earth yet today, but will at the very end of this world.

What settles this apparent 4th beast, 4th kingdom, confusion is the Daniel 2 Scripture that describes the Stone that will smite the final beast upon its feet of part iron mixed with part clay, and the WHOLE BEAST STATUE comes tumbling down TOGETHER; and then God's Eternal Kingdom is then setup forever (See Daniel 2:34-35).

The final beast of the feet represents the FINAL BEAST KINGDOM, and it will include all the PREVIOUS BEASTS WITH IT. That is what the coming "one world government" and "New Word Order" will be about when false-Messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

 

[Exegesis]

The problem I see with that is this...

The Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture shows the beast statue is struck upon its feet of part iron and part clay, and then the WHOLE comes tumbling down TOGETHER. And then an everlasting Kingdom is setup in its place.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" represents Lord Jesus Christ, and His future coming to destroy that beast.

The idea of all those pieces being broken 'together' means they ALL are together into ONE beast at the END of this world.

I agree with the above.

Thus the feet of ten toes of part iron and part clay actually represents a 5th beast in final at the end of this world that will carry all... the others. It will be the beast described in Revelation 13:1.

There is a lot of debate on the semantics of the terminology in Daniel, but yeah we are looking at the Beast in Revelation 13:1.

A "one world government" is the globalist's plan for the end. That is not headed by the EU. Those pointing to the EU are only using it as a mask. Globalists are located all over the world in many parts of the world. The secret Occult fraternities are a major part of that establishing of a New Word Order, as they have members in just about every nation, including Islamic nations. And they teach that all religions are equal, which is a prerequisite to the coming false-Messiah's one-world religion. He will claim they all are pointing to him as their savior, including Christianity.

That is a common view. I have studied those subjects most of my life. My opinion is that it is much worse than that, but that will have to wait for another day.

 

[Exegesis]

I appreciate the responses. I apologize if I do not respond. Things are getting busy for me in my 9 to 5 slave life.

 

[Jay Ross]

I believe that the main problem is trying to relate the Statue of Daniel 2 with the Beasts of Daniel 7 as being one and the same entity. This is not so. The statue prophecy is describing the nation entities that will/have exercised dominion over the land of Babylon from the Time of king Neb up and until this present time today.

The Daniel 7 prophecy is describing the Heavenly host who have exercised influence over people, people groups, kingdoms and empires although the people, people groups kingdoms and empires that have had dominion over Babylon may have also been influenced by the beastly heavenly hosts to do their bidding in oppressing other people, people groups, kingdoms or empires.

In around 20 years time the Kings of the earth will be judged for the parts that they have played in trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts while the heavenly host beasts will also be judged and their influence over people on the earth drastically restrained for a time during the summer harvest season until they are released during the Little While period where they will come out against God's saints before the final time of Judgement.

Shalom

 

[CTK]

Not what Daniel 7 & 8 and Revelation 17 shows.

The "ten horns" of the beast kingdom represents "ten kings" we are told, both in Daniel and in Rev.17. Dan.7 shows the "little horn", an 11th king, will come up among the ten horns, and will subdue 3 of the ten kings. That is pointing to a structure for the beast at the end that will have the "little horn" king over it all, then a 3 king division, and then a remainder 7 king division of the earth. So just as per old history, like in ancient Ireland, they had a great king over many other lower kings.



The actual Daniel 7 Scripture reveals the 4th beast linked with the final beast kingdom at the end of this world. It has not... been destroyed yet; it hasn't even manifested on earth yet today, but will at the very end of this world.

What settles this apparent 4th beast, 4th kingdom, confusion is the Daniel 2 Scripture that describes the Stone that will smite the final beast upon its feet of part iron mixed with part clay, and the WHOLE BEAST STATUE comes tumbling down TOGETHER; and then God's Eternal Kingdom is then setup forever (See Daniel 2:34-35).

The final beast of the feet represents the FINAL BEAST KINGDOM, and it will include all the PREVIOUS BEASTS WITH IT. That is what the coming "one world government" and "New Word Order" will be about when false-Messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

Davy, did you ever consider that 2:34 and 2:35 do not represent the same event or the same time of the events they refer to? That 2:34, the Stone (Messiah) struck the feet (only) and broke apart the two elements within the feet - the iron and clay elements. While 2:35 does indeed represent the end of times when He will return an separate the wheat from the tares.

This is necessary since the Stone only refers to Jesus and He uses this to show how His first coming will sybolically strike the feet and break apart the clay from within the 4th kingdom of iron. This of course is Rome, and the clay represents the Jews that were captive within the powerful Roman Empire. In the "Interpretation Sequence" verses of chapter two, 2:40-45, God gives us the details of those events that take place AFTER the Stone has struck the feet. Without going into detail, this will now cause the clay to be broken away from the iron and we will find two different types of clay after the striking... the "pottery clay" represents those Jews who would accept Jesus as their Messiah and go out into the pagan world preaching the Good News. However, most at that time will be "ceramic clay" or thos Jews who rejected Jesus because they had a "hardened" heart." God could not use them as the "Potter" because they would not place their beliefs in the Messiah. They would continue in their pre-cross Jewish faith. So, chapte 2 proivides us with God's grand plan of salvation - He gives us His 4 kingdoms where all of His prophecies will be placed, and then He gives us the only two actions or events within His plan - His first coming where He will establish His church 2:34, and when He returns - 2:35.

Again, God then provides the macro view details of His plan in 2:40-45 and these verses fit within the "Dream Sequence" verses - big picture of the 4 kingdoms...


There is an awlful lot of activity and events that will take place in the coming chapters - almost all focusing of the Jews return to Jerusalem and awaiting their Messiah to arrive on the first day of the 70th week of years prophecy. But none of this could be interperted properly if 2:34 is misinterpreted... God's plan of salvation is presented in a few different ways - but always maintains the structure - same 4 kingdoms... same actors, etc.

In chapter 2, He gives us the blueprint of this prophetic structure - the borders and boundaries of the 4 and ony 4 kingdoms within His plan of restoration and salvation. This is at the kingdom level. In chapter 7, He gives us another view from a different angle - one from a "kings" view, and then in chapter 8, He gives us another view (same kingdoms) but this time He wants us to focus on the "horns" or powers that He reveals to get more of His prophecies revealed.

When one can interpret the verses / prophecies in Daniel and have His story be 100% consistent through these 12 chapters while ensuring these 4 kingdoms and their events all speak without contradiction, then you can see His messages ...

Just something to consider....