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mjrhealth

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Religion:
Religion is belief in a god or gods and the activities that are connected with this belief, such as praying or worshipping in a building such as a church or temple
(Collins Dictionary)

Yes, that is what I do - pray and worship God, sometimes alone, sometims with others.

Do you not do that?
Mens churches are Egypt, a a prison for God people, Christ is our High priest our teacher the Holy spirit our guide, if thats what you want than you can have it, there is a reason why revelation says, come out of her MY PEOPLE, just as God with Moses called the people out of egypt, but christans love egypt, Can God help it they wont follow Christ.

I am the way the truth and teh Life says teh Lord, you wont find that in Church, any of them.
 

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Mens churches are Egypt, a a prison for God people

Rubbish - but then it's your opinion.

Christ is our High priest our teacher the Holy spirit our guide, if thats what you want than you can have it, there is a reason why revelation says, come out of her MY PEOPLE, just as God with Moses called the people out of egypt, but christans love egypt, Can God help it they wont follow Christ.

I am the way the truth and teh Life says teh Lord, you wont find that in Church, any of them.

You will find them in the Catholic Church
 

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Rubbish - but then it's your opinion.

You will find them in the Catholic Church

What life, doubt it Our life is in Christ and what has he to do with mens religions. bu God gave man free will knowing full well how blind we are, so do as you will. But since you cane here seeking the truth and than denying it, you are now without excuse. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
 

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What life, doubt it Our life is in Christ and what has he to do with mens religions. bu God gave man free will knowing full well how blind we are, so do as you will. But since you cane here seeking the truth and than denying it, you are now without excuse. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

I have found the truth thank you.

You need to start looking for it.
 

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I have found the truth thank you.

You need to start looking for it.
Christ found me a long time ago, He is the reason I am no longer a catholic,

Come out of her my people,

I stand at the door knocking
 

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You are a sheep that has been led astray.

"But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember then from what you have fallen, repent and do the works you did at first."
 

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You are a sheep that has been led astray.

"But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember then from what you have fallen, repent and do the works you did at first."
Christ found me a long time ago, He is the reason I am no longer a catholic,

Come out of her my people,

I stand at the door knocking
Both Catholics and non-Catholics are doing their best to follow Christ.

Let's not bash on each other, and instead focus on love, discipleship, and learning.
 
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Mungo

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Both Catholics and non-Catholics are doing their best to follow Christ.

Let's not bash on each other, and instead focus on love, discipleship, and learning.

Showing your anti-Catholic bias there Jane.

mjrhealth consistently misuses scripture to denigrate Catholics. For example in this thread alone: #194, #196,#198, #202, #207,. #218, #219, #229, #240, #261, #270, #323, #327.

I get annoyed at that and respond in kind once.

What do you do?
Ignore the fact that mjrhealth posted 14 antagonistic quotes and then put my quote before his to imply that I started it.
naughtry! naughty!
 

Jane_Doe22

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Showing your anti-Catholic bias there Jane.

mjrhealth consistently misuses scripture to denigrate Catholics. For example in this thread alone: #194, #196,#198, #202, #207,. #218, #219, #229, #240, #261, #270, #323, #327.

I get annoyed at that and respond in kind once.

What do you do?
Ignore the fact that mjrhealth posted 14 antagonistic quotes and then put my quote before his to imply that I started it.
naughtry! naughty!
I quoted both of you, acknowledging that both are striving to follow Christ, and encouraging love & non-bashing.

I'm sorry if that somehow strikes you as "anti-Catholic".
 

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Both Catholics and non-Catholics are doing their best to follow Christ.

Let's not bash on each other, and instead focus on love, discipleship, and learning.
When is truth bashing, and what about the poor protestants who consistently get an earfull, besides I though this was a "christian" forum are there not enough catholic around.
 

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Showing your anti-Catholic bias there Jane.

mjrhealth consistently misuses scripture to denigrate Catholics. For example in this thread alone: #194, #196,#198, #202, #207,. #218, #219, #229, #240, #261, #270, #323, #327.

I get annoyed at that and respond in kind once.

What do you do?
Ignore the fact that mjrhealth posted 14 antagonistic quotes and then put my quote before his to imply that I started it.
naughtry! naughty!
so mungo isnt that what you and BOL are doing using scripture to justify a lie. christians are good at that. You are in for a rude awakening.
 

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When is truth bashing, and what about the poor protestants who consistently get an earfull, besides I though this was a "christian" forum are there not enough catholic around.

I think you will find the Catholic members put up with heaps everyday.
 

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So what was the real reason William Tyndale was condemned? Was translating the Bible into English actually illegal? The answer is no. The law that was passed in 1408 was in reaction to another infamous translator, John Wycliff. Wycliff had produced a translation of the Bible that was corrupt and full of heresy. It was not an accurate rendering of sacred Scripture.

Both the Church and the secular authorities condemned it and did their best to prevent it from being used to teach false doctrine and morals. Because of the scandal it caused, the Synod of Oxford passed a law in 1408 that prevented any unauthorized translation of the Bible into English and also forbade the reading of such unauthorized translations.

It is a fact usually ignored by Protestant historians that many English versions of the Scriptures existed before Wycliff, and these were authorized and perfectly legal (see Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham, chapter 11, “Vernacular Scriptures Before Wycliff”). Also legal would be any future authorized translations. And certainly reading these translations was not only legal but also encouraged. All this law did was to prevent any private individual from publishing his own translation of Scripture without the approval of the Church.

Which, as it turns out, is just what William Tyndale did. Tyndale was an English priest of no great fame who desperately desired to make his own English translation of the Bible. The Church denied him for several reasons.

First, it saw no real need for a new English translation of the Scriptures at this time. In fact, booksellers were having a hard time selling the print editions of the Bible that they already had. Sumptuary laws had to be enacted to force people into buying them.

Second, we must remember that this was a time of great strife and confusion for the Church in Europe. The Reformation had turned the continent into a very volatile place. So far, England had managed to remain relatively unscathed, and the Church wanted to keep it that way. It was thought that adding a new English translation at this time would only add confusion and distraction where focus was needed.

Lastly, if the Church had decided to provide a new English translation of Scripture, Tyndale would not have been the man chosen to do it. He was known as only a mediocre scholar and had gained a reputation as a priest of unorthodox opinions and a violent temper. He was infamous for insulting the clergy, from the pope down to the friars and monks, and had a genuine contempt for Church authority. In fact, he was first tried for heresy in 1522, three years before his translation of the New Testament was printed. His own bishop in London would not support him in this cause.

Finding no support for his translation from his bishop, he left England and came to Worms, where he fell under the influence of Martin Luther. There in 1525 he produced a translation of the New Testament that was swarming with textual corruption. He willfully mistranslated entire passages of Sacred Scripture in order to condemn orthodox Catholic doctrine and support the new Lutheran ideas. The Bishop of London claimed that he could count over 2,000 errors in the volume (and this was just the New Testament).

And we must remember that this was not merely a translation of Scripture. His text included a prologue and notes that were so full of contempt for the Catholic Church and the clergy that no one could mistake his obvious agenda and prejudice. Did the Catholic Church condemn this version of the Bible? Of course it did.

The secular authorities condemned it as well. Anglicans are among the many today who laud Tyndale as the “father of the English Bible.” But it was their own founder, King Henry VIII, who in 1531 declared that “the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people.”

So troublesome did Tyndale’s Bible prove to be that in 1543—after his break with Rome—Henry again decreed that “all manner of books of the Old and New Testament in English, being of the crafty, false, and untrue translation of Tyndale . . . shall be clearly and utterly abolished, extinguished, and forbidden to be kept or used in this realm.”

Ultimately, it was the secular authorities that proved to be the end for Tyndale. He was arrested and tried (and sentenced to die) in the court of the Holy Roman Emperor in 1536. His translation of the Bible was heretical because it contained heretical ideas—not because the act of translation was heretical in and of itself. In fact, the Catholic Church would produce a translation of the Bible into English a few years later (The Douay-Reims version, whose New Testament was released in 1582 and whose Old Testament was released in 1609).

When discussing the history of Biblical translations, it is very common for people to toss around names like Tyndale and Wycliff. But the full story is seldom given. This present case of a gender-inclusive edition of the Bible is a wonderful opportunity for Fundamentalists to reflect and realize that the reason they don’t approve of this new translation is the same reason that the Catholic Church did not approve of Tyndale’s or Wycliff’s. These are corrupt translations, made with an agenda, and not accurate renderings of sacred Scripture.

And here at least Fundamentalists and Catholics are in ready agreement: Don’t mess with the Word of God.
Tyndale’s Heresy
So you are arguing even now against Tyndale's translation of Scripture.

I have absolutely nothing further to say.
 

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When is truth bashing, and what about the poor protestants who consistently get an earfull, besides I though this was a "christian" forum are there not enough catholic around.
It IS a Christian forum - and that's why we're here.
Catholics were the very first Christians.

YOUR paramilitary sect, "aggressivechristianity.net" didn't come about until 1980.
so mungo isnt that what you and BOL are doing using scripture to justify a lie.
Sooooooo, what "lie" are you talking about, specifically??
 

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It IS a Christian forum - and that's why we're here.
Catholics were the very first Christians.

Every Church denomination on the planet have claimed to be the "true church". The only "true church" recorded is that which is written in the new testament. If any churches doctrines or any of its traditions does not line up with the new testament, then let that church be accursed, and that means all churches today as far as scripture is concerned.
 

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Every Church denomination on the planet have claimed to be the "true church". The only "true church" recorded is that which is written in the new testament. If any churches doctrines or any of its traditions does not line up with the new testament, then let that church be accursed, and that means all churches today as far as scripture is concerned.

No Catholic doctrine (properly understood) contradicts scripture (properly interpreted).
 

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No Catholic doctrine (properly understood) contradicts scripture (properly interpreted).

So you say.......but it does plainly contradict scripture. I won't bother explaining why. You can't make people believe what they don't want to hear, but only what their itching ears want to hear, even God knows that.
 

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Every Church denomination on the planet have claimed to be the "true church". The only "true church" recorded is that which is written in the new testament. If any churches doctrines or any of its traditions does not line up with the new testament, then let that church be accursed, and that means all churches today as far as scripture is concerned.
And that's impossible as every denomination came about after the 16th century.

The Catholic Church has been here since the FIRST century. Not only does FIRST century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch explicitly name the first century Church as "The Catholic Church" in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans - the Church he describes on NONE other than the Catholic Church. It is certainly NOT any of the Protestant denominations. READ carefully . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

This is the EXACT SAME hierarchy as the Catholic Church of today.
As for any doctrines or traditions that do NOT line up with Scripture - I have YET to see one.


YOUR turn.