The rich man and the beggar at his gate?

[101G]

I fail to see it, Jesus calls the man sick with the palsy Son. Does this imply born of God, the resurrection had not occurred?

nor the Spirit Given, but notice this, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Joseph was a G5207 υἱός huios (hwiy-yos'), "son", but not in capitalization, think about it.

PICJAG

 

[Waiting on him]

nor the Spirit Given, but notice this, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Joseph was a G5207 υἱός huios (hwiy-yos'), "son", but not in capitalization, think about it.

PICJAG

What is the significance you see in both the lame being carried?

 

[101G]

What is the significance you see in both the lame being carried?

(smile), I'll let you know when I'm finished. today I'm just taking a break away from studying.

Be blessed,

PICJAC

 

[Renniks]

well, did Yah say I desire mercy, not sacrifice or not, Rennicks? Did He change His mind, somewhere along the way? No son of man may die for another's sins is OT, right, maybe that has been annulled? Or i mean why is that in There do you think? You and your sons will be here with me prolly, just like Samuel said, but i admit that i dont really know what that means i guess. But gimme some of that red stew, for i am so hungry i am about to die i think i am getting now. Jews even have a rep for being master-sellers, huh?

It's not that hard to understand. You are just deliberately looking for scripture to pit against other scripture instead of accepting what is clearly taught.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not that hard to understand. You are just deliberately looking for scripture to pit against other scripture instead of accepting what is clearly taught.

well, i understand why you say that ok, but its more like the evidence in Scripture just becomes overwhelming at a certain point, and i came to realize that "clearly taught" was completely subjective, and based upon my desires, mostly, or maybe also a matter of who got to me first, so to speak, the first to tell his side in court seems right, until another comes along and cross examines him.

Bc i would of course love to become an Immortal and go up to heaven after i have died, too, ok. And if that = life, more abundantly to you then imo go be the best believer you know how to be, after all I have not seen such faith in anyone of Israel was said of a Roman, right, a Mithraist? Apollos waters

plus no offense but i dont have to shoe-horn "heavens" into "heaven" or avoid any Scripture i dont like any more, or reason away No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it
There is only One Immortal

Isnt what is "clearly taught" "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?"
yet that cannot be Quoted at all, right?
so wadr whenever i hear "clearly taught" a little bell kinda goes off in my head, and i pretty much already know im about to hear something from he who says he knows see

so i dunno, but i would contemplate the Rich Man and Lazarus as Believers, In the Camp, and Those outside the camp who do not even get a label, something like that, Anarchists maybe, per 1Sam8, or (the real) Priests, might be good to dig into Eleazer's story, something going on with the spelling changes in his name i dont really get, but it seems to be a commentary on the then-current state of affairs in occupied Israel?

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not that hard to understand.

i agree, it isn't, it's right there in the Esau cycle, plain as day, give me some of that red stew, for i am famished unto death! i mean there it is right, waiting to be understood. Same with the Rich Man and Lazarus imo, not too hard to figure out who the Rich Man is today, is it

 

[VictoryinJesus]

both was "Lame", or poor in spirit.

Isaiah 33:22-24 For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us. [23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey. [24] And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

Was studying this morning the eagles in Ezekiel 17. (Ezekiel 17:24)

Proverbs 23:4-5 Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.

Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Isaiah 40:29-31 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength. [30] Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: [31] But they that wait upon the Lord (Romans 12:7-18 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching, 1 John 2:27) shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
“another shall gird thee, and carry thee” as in John 21:18-19 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. [19] This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
^oddly always heard that meant he was going to end up crippled or lame (literally)and Christ was giving him the bad news.

2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

 

[Renniks]

so i dunno, but i would contemplate the Rich Man and Lazarus as Believers,

Why? That's simply not what the story says.

" there was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

What part of the rich man going to Hades and the beggar going to paradise is hard to understand?

 

[Renniks]

i agree, it isn't, it's right there in the Esau cycle, plain as day, give me some of that red stew, for i am famished unto death! i mean there it is right, waiting to be understood. Same with the Rich Man and Lazarus imo, not too hard to figure out who the Rich Man is today, is it
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No one is condemned simply because of thier wealth.

 

[bbyrd009]

Why? That's simply not what the story says.

not what the story says as far as you are concerned, maybe--spoken as if you knew for a fact, right--but imo the name "Lazarus" was not chosen by accident, and there are other factors, "Abraham's bosom" is not defined, it is known as a "parable," which is particularly interesting as believers universally grab onto this parable to supposedly "demonstrate" a place called "heaven" in an "afterlife," ignoring all other Scripture that suggests otherwise, and etc

What part of the rich man going to Hades and the beggar going to paradise is hard to understand?

i think it is a great parable that focuses on something else entirely, and is easy to understand when we realize that they are both in the same place most likely, as other Scripture clearly suggests

No one is condemned simply because of thier wealth.

i didnt say they were, and that was not the point, which you are actually helping to verify with your justification there imo; no one is condemned just bc they are rich, i agree, but that will not help those who desire to be rich i guess

 

[Renniks]

not what the story says as far as you are concerned, maybe--

No, as far as what it actually says. Your speculations don't have anything to do with the actual context and story. It's like the people who look for secret codes in the Bible.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

it seems that we have a morden day Priscilla and Aquila in our midst. it's refreshing to see this. God bless.

Wanted so bad to tell you when you posted this how wrong this is. Not even close. Our house is a curse. If you saw the way we speak to one another. All we bring is dishonor and disgrace to God in those closest, anyone who sees us reading His word every day and speaking about His great love and then in the next breath bitterness hatred and separation follows. No fellow heirs of grace. The lack of love for each other is clearly seen. Manifested every single day without end. I had to look up the couple you spoke of. We are not them.

 

[bbyrd009]

No, as far as what it actually says. Your speculations don't have anything to do with the actual context and story. It's like the people who look for secret codes in the Bible.

ha well one they are not my speculations anyway, i am standing on the shoulders of giants there, and also How is it you did not know I was not talking about bread? so while i am not interested in condemning those who read literally, it is obvious to me that a treatise on overthrowing the Roman yoke peacefully must needs be written in some sort of code, and i guess bread was apparently code for something, right?

Your speculations don't have anything to do with the actual context and story.

and wadr how would you know that? It is someone else's vision, after all? A parable?
they have everything to do with those, once the symbolism is understood

 

[Renniks]

ha well one they are not my speculations anyway, i am standing on the shoulders of giants there, and also How is it you did not know I was not talking about bread? so while i am not interested in condemning those who read literally, it is obvious to me that a treatise on overthrowing the Roman yoke peacefully must needs be written in some sort of code, and i guess bread was apparently code for something, right?

We weren't talking about bread. Are you sure you are even in the right conversation? What does bread even have to do with this discussion?
It's not "someones" vision, it's Jesus' teaching about heaven and hell. You expect me to buy that Jesus taught a false idea about the afterlife merely to make some point? That Jesus lied about what happens when you die? And I still haven't heard what you think that point is. Something about T.V. preachers, I guess?

 

[Webers_Home]

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I've read Luke 16:19-31 all the way thru several times and yet to find where
the rich man was curious about how long he could expect to be incarcerated
in the fiery sector of Hades.

Well; that's not hard to sleuth. He no doubt encountered lots of people
who've been down there since the days of Cain, the Flood, Sodom and
Gomorrah, and the Pyramids. Plus, the scuttlebutt would assure him that
nobody up to the time of his arrival had ever been released so he shouldn't
get his hopes up that he'd be the first.

Something else. The rich man in the story doesn't protest his fate.
Apparently the man fully understood that he deserved it; and that's not hard
to sleuth either.

People down there at the time of the rich man's arrival had access to solid
error-free Bible teaching. Abraham wasn't the only prophet across the
chasm, all the big guns were over there too; including the man himself: Mr.
Moses ben Levi. I know that's true because the Lord said that nobody up to
his time had ever been taken to heaven. (John 3:13)

» It's ironic that condemned souls in the fiery sector of Hades might know
the Bible better than a good many Christians warming pews, teaching
Sunday school, and pounding pulpits.
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[101G]

Isaiah 33:22-24 For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us. [23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey. [24] And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

Was studying this morning the eagles in Ezekiel 17. (Ezekiel 17:24)

Proverbs 23:4-5 Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.

Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Isaiah 40:29-31 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength. [30] Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: [31] But they that wait upon the Lord (Romans 12:7-18 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching, 1 John 2:27) shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
“another shall gird thee, and carry thee” as in John 21:18-19 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. [19] This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
^oddly always heard that meant he was going to end up crippled or lame (literally)and Christ was giving him the bad news.

2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

GINOLJC, all good scriptures.

PICJAG.

Wanted so bad to tell you when you posted this how wrong this is. Not even close. Our house is a curse. If you saw the way we speak to one another. All we bring is dishonor and disgrace to God in those closest, anyone who sees us reading His word every day and speaking about His great love and then in the next breath bitterness hatred and separation follows. No fellow heirs of grace. The lack of love for each other is clearly seen. Manifested every single day without end. I had to look up the couple you spoke of. We are not them.

well, (smile), just look around, someone is in worst shape than you. this is what this parable is all about, (repentance, and getting it right), as was with Job, and all the apostle, and saints of God. so you want the street paved with GOLD?, but can't stand the bumps that we all ride on now? so tell me why do you have the avatar screen name VictoryinJesus? well I'm no expert, but let me tell you something. when my wife and I first started out we fussed and argued like people of the world and we was going to church. so.... by going to church, did that make a difference when we got home? but I went to God with a complaint aganist my wife, for all our arguing and got shocked of my life by God. I told God, "what's wrong with that woman", (I pulled a Adam), the woman whom thou gavest me. everytime I said lets go right she wanted to go left, or me up, she, down. well I got tried of the arguing, and asked God, "what's wrong with that woman", well the answer I got was not the answer I was looking for, God told me it was not her but me, I was the problem. I said WHAT? so I asked how can this be, we both are arguing, and he said that's the problem, if you stop arguing she want have anyone to argue with.

well I put God plan into action, and started an argument, and yep, we both was arguing, and then I stop, (I just shut my mouth), and for a few minutes later, as she was still arguing, she truned to me and said, "Why are you not arguing .. "WITH" me. BINGO, then I said to myself, thank you Jesus, see it takes two to argue. one person cannot argue by themselves, well that was solved. and I just started to eliminate one thing after another, no it was not over night, but God gave me the "Victory" in Christ Jesus. maybe this might help, or not, but Jesus holds the keys, ask, for you have not because ye ask not.

understand, there are ways to get alone, and even rekindle what one seem to have lost. but instead of looking at someone else, one might need to look in the mirror themselves first.

NOW, stay in the scriptures.

BE blessed.

PICJAG.

 

[bbyrd009]

We weren't talking about bread. Are you sure you are even in the right conversation? What does bread even have to do with this discussion?

ah, my bad, sorry

It's not "someones" vision, it's Jesus' teaching about heaven and hell. You expect me to buy that Jesus taught a false idea about the afterlife merely to make some point? That Jesus lied about what happens when you die? And I still haven't heard what you think that point is. Something about T.V. preachers, I guess?

well, i guess any number of truths might be derived from the parable, but i generally try to go with whatever point the parable itself seems to be trying to make, the literal one there being they won't listen even if someone comes back from the dead to tell them i guess right

 

[Renniks]

ah, my bad, sorry
well, i guess any number of truths might be derived from the parable, but i generally try to go with whatever point the parable itself seems to be trying to make, the literal one there being they won't listen even if someone comes back from the dead to tell them i guess right

So, Jesus made up a false view of the afterlife for no reason? Because if the dead are just in the grave, all he had to do was say that, and it would not have changed what you claim is the whole point.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
to Waiting on him and VictoryinJesus. I have finish my work, and may God bless it so that it may help someone. for space it's in three parts. you might want to copy all of it to a word processor for later study.

The Truth of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar​

Step #1. is this a parable or not?
Step #2. what are the takeaways in this spiritual teaching.
Step#3. what is the spiritual teaching itself.

Required reading the whole 12th. chapter of the book of Hebrews.

Step #1. defining what a parable is.
What is a Parable?. A parable is a short, simple story designed to communicate a spiritual truth, or answer a question. the spiritual truth, or the answered question is true to life. one other thing, the most important principles of effective Bible study is that one must derive meanings based upon the greater context of the bible. other words, Isaiah 28:10 & 11 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

Step#2. the spiritual takeaways
#1. the rich man and Lazarus the beggar is a Parable. And here’s why. the first takeaway, the names.
A. the name, “Lazarus”, is used instead of Eleazar, which indicate a role of “servant”. in this setting, or spiritual teaching, (the Jews knew exactly who this Lazarus was, by the description given in verses 20 & 21). this Lazarus, another name for Eleazar, was Abraham servant from Damascus, a gentile, for he was a “FAITHFUL” servant. The keyword here is Faithful, so the name Lazarus was a substitute for the role of a “SERVANT”/Eleazar.

B. the name, “Abraham”, it is use instead of God’s actual name, yes, for God name, which was not given in the OT. Lets explain, the name Abraham is used to indicate the title, or role of God who is “Father”, which God only himself holds. For the name, “Abraham”, means, “Father”, of many nations. to prove this out, read verse 16, where the title, “Father”, is capitalized, when used in reference with the name Abraham. This capitalization of the title Father, signify God who is the Father of “ALL NATIONS”, for he created all men and nations. This is bared out in the Hebrew idiom, “Abraham's bosom”, which indicate God as “Father”, who is protector, “COMFORTER”, “REDEEMER”, and “SAVIOUR”, this is what bosom indicates. Lazarus, who was “comforted” by God was in his, (God), bosom, (protected), or as the scriptures states, “Sealed with the Holy Ghost”. the name or title, “Father”, it indicate the FATHER’S love for his children in salvation, let’s see this bosom in action. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.", Isaiah 40:10 "Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. 11 "He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young." HOLD IT, his bosom? Yes, God’s bosom as indicated by Abraham title, the “Father”, who bosom is God in the verses above. and Abraham's bosom is not the third heaven, but is the spiritual world of God, (which is another topic all by itself). So the name Abraham is not the actual man, but the title of the man, “Father” of many nations, who God is.

What about the name, “Moses”, yes, only the Name, which represent the, “LAW”, as with the term “Prophet”, which indicate the LAW and the PROPHETS the OLD TESTAMENT COVENMENT. Not the man Moses himself, but what the name of the man represent, the Law. so that take care of the names in this parable. So for a surety no one cannot say that this is not a parable based on the names given, for they are representative “roles”.

#2. The term, “certain”, for the rich man, and the term again, “certain”, for the beggar, each represent two types, or group of people, that are, “sons”, and or “Sons”…. notice the capitalization of the latter, in “Son”, which I’ll explain later. Now, if you thought that the name stump you, well get your seat belt on. because this next take away will blow you away.

#3. some say this, beggar and the rich man is not a parable, (which we now know is), and many say it disprove “soul” sleep. Well let’s put that lie … to “rest”, and here’s why. Luke 16:25 "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented." LISTEN CAREFULLY, if this rich man was NATURALLY DEAD, as many has said, and believed, then this contradict the scriptures of Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.". Hold It, “remember” means to commit to memory, which means to “KNOW”. understand, “REMEMBER” is to have in, or be able to bring to one's mind an awareness of (someone or something that one has seen, known, or experienced in the past). so what this rich man experiencing was something “KNOWN” in the past, which DEAD men don’t do, Ecclesiastes 9:5 clearly states, "the DEAD" knows nothing". “REMEMBER”, here, in the parable, especially at the time our Lord was speaking this parable it was future tense. and Ecclesiastes 9:5 clearly states that the DEAD … “KNOWS” NOTHING, so how can a DEAD man "REMEMBER?" answer he cannot. and scripture do not contradict itself. so there is only one conclusion. I submit unto you that the rich man man, as a representative of a group of people in this parable was not physically, or NATURALLY dead. but in biblical term he had what we call an out of body experience. Ok, now caught your breath. Lets prove it. Hell in verse 23 is the Greek word, G86 ᾅδης hades (ha'-d̮ees) n. correct, lets see what it means,
1. (properly) unseen. notice, (unseen means the spirit world, not unnecessary heaven, for God is everywhere).
2. (commonly) “Hades,” the place (state) of departed souls.
[from G1 (as negative particle) and G1492]
KJV: grave, hell
Root(s): G1, G1492

The part in the definition that says, “ the place (state) of departed souls”, (this is incorrect, for this parable). for here in the parable we’re dealing with the “spirit” of man, not his soul. as said, (this was an out of body experience, in the spirit), just like Paul’s and just like John who was on the island of Patmos. They was in the spirit or had an out of body experiences, so this has nothing to do with the “soul”. so that notion that this spiritual teaching debunk “souls sleep”, it's a lie.

Now as for the rich man dying, and being buried, this is clearly explained in the verse itself, lets examine it. Luke 16:22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;" two things to notice, #1. the phase, “and it came to pass”, meaning in the process of TIME, as it was spoken in the OT. Many, many, many years could have have passed after this out of body experience. #2. both men didn’t die at the same time, as mention in #1, in the process of time. so eventually the rich man did NATURALLY die, (and I want to make a point here, just like Elijah and Enoch who also died natural deaths). and he was buried, for it is appointed for every man to die once. only his death and burial just came later.

So what really happen here? The rich man lifted up his eyes and saw …… Hold it, how can one see what is unseen? Remember the definition of “hell”, meaning,” unseen”, it’s the spiritual domain. again, I submit unto you that the rich man, in this teaching had an OUT OF BODY EXPERENCE. Notice the angels “carried” Lazarus, but not the rich man, WHY?, (because he was not yet dead). this is where the research paid off in search for the term (Son). it pays to do research. which open up this study.

There is something I must admit, this knowledge of the rich man having an out of body experience, I had heard this many, many, many, years ago, but just like other I was persuade that it was nonsense, and many argued against it. and I, as well as many other, (young men), at the time left it alone. Well now it has come up again, and by looking at something else, the term “Son”, that made me go back and look at these verses of scriptures with the eyes of God instead of my own eyes. as the scriptures states, “let the Spirit lead you”, and he will guide you in “ALL TRUTH”. and I’m glad I did, for the term “Son” was wearing me out, I just couldn’t get it to fit in all the scriptures that I found it in. So I did what the bible tells us to do, (see Part #2)

 

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Part #2. picking up where we left off at,

So I did what the bible tells us to do, “let the Spirit lead you”, because one must acknowledge God as TEACHER, listen, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

So I did just that, I went back, and let God teach me, and when I did, following God lead, (who is the only one that can teach us), he gave me the revelation, which I now share with all. so, using the FIRST PRINCIPLE of God, (let God guide), then I could apply the term “Son” correctly in every scripture I had found it, vs the term “son”.

“Son”, when capitalized, and used for a natural man who is, or was proud, or puffed up, and in need of Spiritual guidance, (for they are Spiritually dead, and don’t know it), other words in need of the Spirit. As the definition states in the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, In reference to legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring. The legitimate men/offspring, (no reference to sex, or gender), men, meaning male or female, The legitimate men who is alive in flesh bodies humbled themselves by Faith before God, others, when “repented”. read that again.

As in Matthew 21:28 with the, “certain” man who had two sons, listen. "But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard."
Matthew 21:29 "He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went." (Stop, this Son was Spiritually Dead, but repented, what was the first words out of John the baptist mouth? “REPENT” for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand).
Matthew 21:30 "And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not."
Matthew 21:31 "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."
Matthew 21:32 "For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."

understand the Spiritually sick who needs healing, as in this next example, the sick of the palsy. After re-reading that story God open my eyes as to who was really sick. Matthew 9:2 "And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee."
Matthew 9:3 "And, behold, certain (there’s that word again), of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth."

that word “certain” meaning, a spiritual teaching is coming. The term “Son” capitalized was directed first to man on the bed who is represented by his FAITH came to Jesus. for the term was directed it at the scribes who was there, who had disbelief in their hearts. The man on bed needed physical healing, (which was already done), while the scribes who was there needed spiritual healing, (believed not). Let’s understand, the term, “palsy”, and get the full teaching used of the man on the bed. it is the Greek word,
G3885 παραλυτικός paralutikos (pa-ra-lï-ti-kos') adj.
as if dissolved, i.e. “paralytic.”
[from a derivative of G3886]
KJV: that had (sick of) the palsy
Root(s): G3886

Notice how the KJV ude this word, “dissolved” which is a past tense word, as well as, how the KJV can translate the word, “that had (sick of) the palsy. Say what! … “had” … (sick of) palsy? again “had” is a past tense word. but the Lord said to him, “be” of good cheer, “be” is future tense, and what was healed first? That’s right his “sins”. for his healing was already done when the Lord Jesus saw their FAITH, and forgiveness was made, now only to be said, which our Lord did. Just as with the woman with the issue of blood, WHO “CAME” TO JESUS, and he said to her, “thy FAITH”, have made thee whole, and many more example like this in the bible. But what did John say of those who believed not? John 12:37 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:". they who that believed not are the scribes and pharisees. (take note of that).

Which bring us in stalk contrast with the term”son”, no cap in “son”. listen, and watch the lower case in son.
Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."
Hebrews 12:7 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
Hebrews 12:8 "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." HOLD IT, was not the question went forth that said, “WHY DID NOT THE RICH MAN RECIEVE EVIL LIKE THE BEGGAR?”. Good question, we’ll see it, or have we seen it. (Galatians 4:29) ......
the term, “son”, It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics,, that’s the legitimacy of someone being a son/child of God vs a Son/self righteous in God.

The Holy Ghost through his apostle Paul said it best, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

as was with Joseph, Mary’s husband, a “son”, notice the lower case,”s”, in son, who is (humble), Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." son here is G5207 υἱός huios (hwiy-yos'), indicating a true “son” or child of God.

EACH man, or men was in NEED of Repentance, with the capital “S” in Son which shows that they thought that they was without reproach, (selfish), while in fact they was reprobates. they boast, for they had the Law, (Moses), and the prophets. as was with the term, “Son” in the prodigal son story, (Luke 15:11), or the “Son” in the sick of the palsy, which was directed at the scribe, who did not repent nor believe, (Matthew 9:2), or the “Son”, who did repented, and went and worked in the vineyard, (Matthew 21:28). only God is above all other, for he came from ABOVE. understand they was "sons", of Gos, but not according to the NEW COVENANT. that's why they would not hear someone from the dead, for they had Moses and the prophets, was are now done away in Christ Jesus who fulfill the LAW and the PROPHETS.

Now, lets breakdown that statement, “ye are gods”, and show clearly the terms “sons” vs “Sons”. first, one need to read the next verse, for it reproved their negligence, to the New covenant of God, listen, lets go to the source of this scripture, Psalms 82:5 "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course."
Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (they are "sons" of the most high, but6 not according to God's knowledge, which is now in Christ Jesus)
Psalms 82:7 "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.".
Ooop’s, oh yes, die like men, and fall like one of the princes? Yes, the devil. With that out of the way, Now the crust of the spiritual teaching, Part #3.