Well, if you have no actual motivations to listen to me, you might as well be praying about an imaginary person with imaginary beliefs.
I'll go do something that actually involves me.
A question for mormons.
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I'll go do something that actually involves me.
In praying for you, there is no need for me to be influenced by you.
I don't even have to have dialogue with you in order for my prayers to prevail on your behalf.
What I am unable to accomplish for that I have limited knowledge, the Holy Spirit is more easily able to accomplish.
You certainly can pray for this imaginary person whom has nothing to do with me.
I am praying for you.
I don't have to know anything about you to even be able to do that.
Just face it, you're a goner.
justbyfaith, if it fulfills your sense of self-riotousness you of course can pray for this imaginary person. YOu can fear morgrol that imiginary person and yourself all day long.
Such has nothing to do with me at all.
I"m going to keep following my Savior Jesus Christ, and rejoicing in Him.
You should have learned by now that this is not the place to be asking Mormons questions. There comes a time when people should use some wisdom.
Asking questions is totally fine. Seeking knowledge is the seeds of wisdom.
Ignoring the answers is always stupidity.
As I said, I am not praying for an imaginary person; unless you are an imaginary person: which would be a preposterous notion.
It has everything to do with you.
The jesus of mormonism can't save you...therefore he is not the Saviour.
justbyfaith, you have decided in your head that this "Jane" person believes X and is damned.
I don't believe this X --- it just doesn't fact check.
And that seemingly doesn't matter to you, and you seemingly fear listening.
Therefore, you aren't praying for me, you're praying for this imaginary doll you slapped my name on. It has nothing to do with the real me other than as a disrespectful mockery of me.
And I'm beyond sick of being treated as an imaginary doll in distress.
justbyfaith, what you think "Mormonism" is a COMPLETELY different thing than the actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
You can pray to "save" people from what you in your head think people believe all day long.
It makes no difference as to actual beliefs.
Yes, that is the line that every Mormon will give you. "We don't really believe those things."
Then, once you're baptized or temple-ized, pressure is placed upon you to believe what they once told you was a lie about Mormonism.
justbyfaith, everything you're saying here is just you repeating the bad information you read out of a and fear & hate-filled "anti-cult" book.
Meanwhile I've actually thoroughly investigated all of these sources, attended services, attended at the temple, studied other faiths, and of course thoroughly read scriptures cover-to-cover. And done all of that for decades. I investigate thing for myself, first hand.
So I"m going to stay this very bluntly: you have zero idea what I actually believe. And seemingly you don't care -- which is your right. However, you're continued blind push to "save" me from the beliefs you erroneous think I believe is both ridiculous, de-humanizing, and not remotely Christ-like. And I'm getting extremely fed up with this abusive treatment being done in the name of Christ.
Praying for you is most certainly abusive...at least that might be the devil's perspective on things.
I don't have to try to convert you in order for you to be converted.
You very likely know whether those things that are spoken of Mormonism are true, even though you are telling me that they are not true.
I do not find any compelling reason to risk being caught up in the pressure to believe what was previously said to be a lie about Mormonism.
But if you know that these things are true, then my arguments are valid; even if you do not want to engage with me on the issues but rather want to give the normal Mormon line of how they have told lies about what you really believe.
So deal with the arguments as they have been presented, in your own personal time of thinking. If they are based on a lie, then there is no reason to fret, is there?
I know that I will be taken to the highest heaven when the Lord brings me home.
If the arguments presented are based in truth, then you have to deal with them in processing your own faith, even if you are going to tell me that they aren't based in truth.
If people don't believe in Mormonism because of these things, it is no skin off your back.
Because don't Mormons believe that everyone goes to one of three heavens? And none will go to hell?
And I know that I am going to the highest one of them, even though I tell you most assuredly that I will very likely never become a Mormon.
As the first heaven is the atmosphere, the second heaven is outer space; and the third heaven is where the throne of the Lord is located.
I don't have to try to convert you in order for you to be converted.
You very likely know whether those things that are spoken of Mormonism are true, even though you are telling me that they are not true.
I do not find any compelling reason to risk being caught up in the pressure to believe what was previously said to be a lie about Mormonism.
But if you know that these things are true, then my arguments are valid; even if you do not want to engage with me on the issues but rather want to give the normal Mormon line of how they have told lies about what you really believe.
So deal with the arguments as they have been presented, in your own personal time of thinking. If they are based on a lie, then there is no reason to fret, is there?
I know that I will be taken to the highest heaven when the Lord brings me home.
If the arguments presented are based in truth, then you have to deal with them in processing your own faith, even if you are going to tell me that they aren't based in truth.
If people don't believe in Mormonism because of these things, it is no skin off your back.
Because don't Mormons believe that everyone goes to one of three heavens? And none will go to hell?
And I know that I am going to the highest one of them, even though I tell you most assuredly that I will very likely never become a Mormon.
As the first heaven is the atmosphere, the second heaven is outer space; and the third heaven is where the throne of the Lord is located.
I'm going to be very blunt here:
You don't care about me or what I believe. You continually de-humanize me. You don't ask question to listen and instead fear getting your facts straight.
I am under no obligation to converse with somebody who treats me so poorly. Your phobia is your problem alone. Not mine. And I'm tired of being mistreated this way.
You are lying about what I believe and practice. I very much do care; but you are going on your own perceptions not based in reality.
All you know is the imaginary version based on the bad info you've read in anti-cult books.
If you want to pray for th actual me, then you got to listen. You don't want to.
So have a nice dinner and whatever.
You're going to get it from the Holy Spirit.
I am not praying about any misconception about you; I am asking the Lord to deliver you from a cult.
I understand that you, personally, don't believe according to the dictates of the cult. I have listened to a certain degree what your beliefs are personally.
I will pray that the Lord opens your eyes to what the teachings of your cult really are, if you are in fact unaware of them.
I have heard that some Mormons don't even know what is believed by the core leading of the Mormon church; they are left in the dark because if they knew, they would leave the Mormon Church. If that is you, then I apologize for believing that you personally have been deceptive. But I know that those who evangelize for the Mormon religion often hide the details of what is believed deeper in because those things are so preposterous that no one would convert if they in fact knew them.
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