True Trinity.

[Grailhunter]

They are in fact the same Person.

And therein lies our disagreement. Beliefs are beliefs and that is fine with me.
No chance that they are the same person...and I know why the Ecumenical Councils came up with that formula and at the time it was a good thing that they did.
Not pressing, but do you want to see how many scriptures you can come up with that directly and or indirectly indicate they are the same person. Not that you cannot find some...just that there is an overwhelming amount of scriptures that define their individually in words and actions. I do not take unique scriptures and commit them to belief. I am not going to hate my mother and father even though the scriptures indicate that Yeshua said it. I am not going to believe that women are saved through child birthing and feet washing.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not pressing, but do you want to see how many scriptures you can come up with that directly and or indirectly indicate they are the same person.

Just go back to the beginning of this thread and look at posts #1-#5.

Here's a faster link:

True Trinity.

Please note that I also consider them to be distinct from one another.

 

[Grailhunter]

Just go back to the beginning of this thread and look at posts #1-#5.

Here's a faster link:

True Trinity.

Please note that I also consider them to be distinct from one another.

Ya I do not think we are far off.

 

[justbyfaith]

Ya I do not think we are far off.

Except I don't see God as being three Gods; I see Him as being One.

I hold them to be distinct rather than separate; whereas I believe that you hold them as being separate.

 

[Grailhunter]

Except I don't see God as being three Gods; I see Him as being One.

I hold them to be distinct rather than separate; whereas I believe that you hold them as being separate.

Correct in one. Separate but united....US of A

 

[justbyfaith]

Correct in one. Separate but united....US of A

I hold that the Son and the Father are absolutely one; not just in purpose; not simply united. ONE God, ONE Lord, ONE Spirit (Ephesians 4:4-6). The same God, the same Lord, the same Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).

post #332 (True Trinity.)

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, Acts 9 got you, didn't it, well there's more much more, so let's start with your latest.

In fact Yahweh, God the Father created all things. But we are talking about the three Gods in the NT.

there is no three "GODS". you said, "Yahweh, God the Father created all things". let's see. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now this, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

ok Grailhunter, "'who made all things?", your Yahweh, who you calls God the Father, or the "Son", whom the bible calls the "Word?"

well Grailhunter?

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Father created the world by Himself...that is, Christ Jesus.

 

[101G]

lol My Father means My Father....Yeshua is speaking of Yahweh His Father. Juggle some more....Waiting for your 60 scriptures. Do you even know what you believe?

I love this, thanks for the reply, lol, lol, lol. Grailhunter, is God Spirit or flesh, concrete or abstract?..... (smile)

Wrong on several counts...different topics but....No J's can be in the scriptures because the letter J or it pronunciation did not occur in 1400 AD. The word Jesus did not exist until the 1600's The only way that Miriam heard the name Jesus is if someone sneezed.

God the father is Yahweh, God the Son is Yeshua...and then God the Holy Spirit.

Still waiting for the 60 scriptures

alright let's get the "J" correct.
Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”. question, who, not what is the new name God?. Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it". only he, are us who are saved. now the Lord Jesus. Revelation 3:12 " Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". one more, once again, Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself". that day of not knowing is over. that's the reason for the book of revelation. from the stand point of the time this Revelation was written, yes, no man knew God's new name but he himself. why?. because he is the Alpha and the Omega. he knows the end. so by knowing that in the end times, that the the English language will be the dominant language to come. only he knew that the name Jesus will only be known in the last days by this dominating language. just as other kingdom arose and with them, their language dominated, so who knew the mind of God back then. answer, as the scriptures states "no man", that's right, NO MAN KNEW, but he himself. and it cannot be the name in use at the time of John writing, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LETTER "J" IN HIS LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME, lol, lol, lol. BINGO. so God who is the future, knows the end time name, JESUS is the NEW NAME which is now, we're in the last days. how do we know this, because the Bible, God's word say so. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

so at the time of the writting of revelation, which is the last book, even John, didn't know the NAME, because "Yeshua" has no "J"...... and get this, nor do Yahweh ... lol, so you can get that name Yahweh out of your mouth also as well as "Jehovah" wich is just as worest. boy I love this.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

The Father created the world by Himself...that is, Christ Jesus.

justbyfaith, you're redeemed on that one.... there is hope after all.... (smile).

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

while we're on NAMES, especially God name, let's get it right.

"Jesus or Jehovah, AKA Yahweh"​

we all know that, "I AM", is an emphatic verb, which is a name that describe what God is, so where did the Names Jehovah, and, Yahweh come from?. is not Jehovah in the bible?. So where did the names come from. these name came from, what is know as the tetragrammaton, and men tampered with it by adding vowels to these four letters. the tetragrammaton is a term from the Greek word, τετραγράμματον, meaning, "a word having four letters". It is the Hebrew written word, or four letters, (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He, hence the translation into English, YHWH, or JHVH by some. these four letters, suppose to be the unpronounced name of God. and from these four letters come the man made names Yahweh, Hebrew, and Jehovah, English. yes, MAN MADE.

a name is an Identifier, as to what and, or who you are. we need to clarify the "Truth". Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh in Hebrew. well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the noose around your neck. so arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH", these are false name of God.

PICJAG.

 

[Grailhunter]

I love this, thanks for the reply, lol, lol, lol. Grailhunter, is God Spirit or flesh, concrete or abstract?..... (smile)

alright let's get the "J" correct.
Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”. question, who, not what is the new name God?. Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it". only he, are us who are saved. now the Lord Jesus. Revelation 3:12 " Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". one more, once again, Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself". that day of not knowing is over. that's the reason for the book of revelation. from the stand point of the time this Revelation was written, yes, no man knew God's new name but he himself. why?. because he is the Alpha and the Omega. he knows the end. so by knowing that in the end times, that the the English language will be the dominant language to come. only he knew that the name Jesus will only be known in the last days by this dominating language. just as other kingdom arose and with them, their language dominated, so who knew the mind of God back then. answer, as the scriptures states "no man", that's right, NO MAN KNEW, but he himself. and it cannot be the name in use at the time of John writing, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LETTER "J" IN HIS LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME, lol, lol, lol. BINGO. so God who is the future, knows the end time name, JESUS is the NEW NAME which is now, we're in the last days. how do we know this, because the Bible, God's word say so. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

so at the time of the writting of revelation, which is the last book, even John, didn't know the NAME, because "Yeshua" has no "J"...... and get this, nor do Yahweh ... lol, so you can get that name Yahweh out of your mouth also as well as "Jehovah" wich is just as worest. boy I love this.

PICJAG.

Yes I know Christ and the Apostles flew in onboard a Boeing 747....

 

[101G]

Yes I know Christ and the Apostles flew in onboard a Boeing 747....

No it was a 767 ...

so this means you want to advoid the the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question... or you just cannot answer the question?

PICJAG

 

[Grailhunter]

No it was a 767 ...

so this means you want to advoid the the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question... or you just cannot answer the question?

PICJAG

No i am asking you to define your belief...
And 60 scriptures indicating that Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit is one person.

 

[101G]

No i am asking you to define your belief...
And 60 scriptures indicating that Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit is one person.

first thanks for the reply, second, again "I'm Diversified Oneness", meaning that there is ONLY one God, and that one God is ONLY one PERSON, who "diversified" himself in flesh.... have that now?

and your 60 scriptures has been destroyed, for if only one scriptures shows that the Father and the Son is the same person, the 59 remaining is meanless.

well once again, since you like the NT,
2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty".

here clearly is the verse that states our Lord JESUS as the Almighty as God, whom you calls "Father".

PICJAG.

ps now can I get an answer to the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question? is the person in John 1:3 the same Person in Isaiah 44:24? well Grailhunter.

again that will eliminate any three Gods.

 

[Grailhunter]

and your 60 scriptures has been destroyed,
Nope, looking for your 60 scriptures and a description of your belief and no 747's in the biblical era.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Grailhunter,

Only one scripture verse is necessary to disprove any doctrine...

Like your doctrine of three Gods.

The verse that I would very simply use is James 2:19.

 

[101G]

and your 60 scriptures has been destroyed,
Nope, looking for your 60 scriptures and a description of your belief and no 747's in the biblical era.

lets start with this one, since you like the NT, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
see that word "WITH" in the verse, it sound like two persons don't it? well nope, it's only one Person diversified... (smile), want proof? just ask.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

@Grailhunter,

2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty".

here clearly is the verse that states our Lord JESUS as the Almighty as God, whom you calls "Father".

Cain't get an answer to this verse of scripture, nor the John 1:1 verse, what's wrong.

PICJAG

 

[Cooper]

I felt compelled to say that YAHWEH is an ancient pagan god. The Israelites are noted for their pagan idol worship.

The true God is Jesus the I AM.