Saved Or Predestined ???

[Tong2020]

It's exactly like that. We are have Spirits capable of response to the Holy Spirit.

That's what you say, but not scriptures.

Tong
R0399

 

[Renniks]

Finally. That's right, He is God's lamb, not man's. It is not as if we offered Him as our sacrifice for our sins.

You said "But he is also our sacrifice for our sins." Please show in scriptures, how is that.

Tong
R0398

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2

 

[Tong2020]

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2

Yes He is. But the question is How?

Tong
R0400

 

[Behold]

Yes He is. But the question is How?

Tong
R0400

Hebrews 9:12,15. & Hebrews 10:14

1. ) ""but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption""

2.) "" is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.""

3.) "" For by ONE sacrifice Jesus has MADE PERFECT FOREVER the born again"

 

[Tong2020]

Hebrews 9:12,15. & Hebrews 10:14

1. ) ""but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption""

2.) "" is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.""

3.) "" For by ONE sacrifice Jesus has MADE PERFECT FOREVER the born again"

Sorry, but nothing there tells how Jesus Christ is our sacrifice for our sins.

Tong
R0401

 

[Renniks]

That's what you say, but not scriptures.

Tong
R0399

We already covered this. Go back to the verses about prevenient Grace.

 

[Renniks]

Yes He is. But the question is How?

Tong
R0400

Are you asking about theories of atonement? You need to be specific if you want specific answers.

 

[Behold]

Sorry, but nothing there tells how Jesus Christ is our sacrifice for our sins.

Tong
R0401

Oh i see. You need a picture.
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[Behold]

Hi

Are we chosen to be saved? Does God pre-select us according to his will?
Is salvation only for the elect?

I

Faith Elects
God Saves

 

[kcnalp]

Sorry, but nothing there tells how Jesus Christ is our sacrifice for our sins.

Tong
R0401

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Leviticus 17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[Tong2020]

Oh i see. You need a picture.
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Sorry again, but nothing there tells how Jesus Christ is our sacrifice for our sins.

Tong
R0402

 

[Tong2020]

Faith Elects
God Saves

God elects. God saves by grace through faith.

Tong
R0403

 

[Tong2020]

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Leviticus 17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

The question remains, how is Jesus Christ OUR SACRIFICE for our sins? Nothing there tells us that Jesus Christ is OUR SACRIFICE for our sins.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

We already covered this. Go back to the verses about prevenient Grace.

What, the verses you misuse and make out to be prevenient grace? Well,...You said in the other post where this is coming from, "We are have Spirits capable of response to the Holy Spirit." This statement is far from referring to even the prevenient grace you speak about. And you cannot prove that statement of yours in scriptures.

Tong
R0405

 

[Tong2020]

Are you asking about theories of atonement? You need to be specific if you want specific answers.

Is my question not clear that you seem to not understand it? The question is simple. You contend that Jesus Christ is OUR SACRIFICE for our sins. My question is HOW is Jesus Christ OUR SACRIFICE?

Tong
R0406

 

[Renniks]

Is my question not clear that you seem to not understand it? The question is simple. You contend that Jesus Christ is OUR SACRIFICE for our sins. My question is HOW is Jesus Christ OUR SACRIFICE?

Tong
R0406

He is the sacrifice for our sins. What needs an explanation?

He paid the ransom? He took our punishment? He defeated death and sin? All true, but I have no idea what you are looking for.

 

[Renniks]

We are have Spirits capable of response to the Holy Spirit." This statement is far from referring to even the prevenient grace you speak about. And you cannot prove that statement of yours in scriptures.

Really?
"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

"But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him."

What part of what I said do you disagree with?

 

[RainAndIceCream]

Hi

Are we chosen to be saved? Does God pre-select us according to his will?
Is salvation only for the elect?

I have faith, i believe, I've confessed and repented and accepted Christ as lord and saviour, but am i saved?

If not predestined and apart of his elect? Then all hope faith and trust in Christ is in vain, and comes to nothing.

Ephesians 4:5.
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will.

Ephesians 11.
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.

I've been in enough discussions of this type to know either or are able to be sustained by scripture by those so inclined. Predestined for salvation, or able to freely choose to follow Christ.
I think it is up to the individual as to what they feel about their relationship with God. I don't think God is religious. I think he left that up to us to go that way if we choose.

 

[Tong2020]

He is the sacrifice for our sins. What needs an explanation?

He paid the ransom? He took our punishment? He defeated death and sin? All true, but I have no idea what you are looking for.

Anyone can say that. And while that is all true, those things does not say How He is OUR SACRIFICE for our sins. As I have pointed out, He is the Lamb of God, not man's. I can't imagine how you can say what you say and not know what you say if you don't know HOW.

Tong
R0407

 

[Tong2020]

Really?
"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

"But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him."

What part of what I said do you disagree with?

So, you believe that all men can discern the things of the Spirit of God? That's what you are saying in your statement "We are have Spirits capable of response to the Holy Spirit. And that is not what scriptures say.

Tong
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