God is faithful

[mjrhealth]

I sincerely would worry for anyone who thinks God is unfeeling and uncaring, just a logical creator. God bless you

Now you have turned it all around twisted it have you not, if God was uncaring we would not be here. God is Spirit, God is love, what has God to fear, what purpose do emotions serve one who is spirit. If God had emotions His whole existence would be mourning, tears and sadness for His creation. Peace and Joy if anything is all we will know.

 

[FollowHim]

Now you have turned it all around twisted it have you not, if God was uncaring we would not be here. God is Spirit, God is love, what has God to fear, what purpose do emotions serve one who is spirit. If God had emotions His whole existence would be mourning, tears and sadness for His creation. Peace and Joy if anything is all we will know.

I am sorry, really sorry. Do you know what emotions are? They are summaries of a conclusion which requires a response, nothing more, nothing less. Every living creature that we know of uses emotions, or summaries of what they must do. To care, to be empathetic, to reach out and support another is to have an emotional reaction to others. The clue is we are made in Gods image. God Himself in the trinity has empathy with the difficulties of the other. In Christ, He submitted to the Fathers will, yet in hurt, it cost, it was a real laying down of a life.

So when you read God got angry, what do you think this is? Gods logical response to a situation. Now it is interesting point, would God feel fear? Yes God desires success, working out of His plans and will in the world. With everything there is a risk of failure, even a fear of failure.

The more I think about Jesus, who He was and how He humbled Himself, God took a real risk, with free will, with the nature of the flesh, with the nature of mortal existence, to become a man and prove, in a limited constrained way He could walk righteously and show what love in human form truly means. God knows fear, He created it in us so that we might survive and know the priorities of authority, and when to be contrite and humble. They say healthy fear is understanding the risk and the cost. But God could never be defeated, because He can create a way round it.

But there are some impossible realities, that by their description can deny a solution. Giving a creature free will, allows the creature to choose, so the result cannot be forced, or else it undermines the free will. And there is the paradox. When certain limitations there is always an inevitable down side cost, which cannot be avoided.

Emotions are only evil when you never learn their language, and give them power they should never have. Emotions are like the sea, it can rage, but equally other water can oppose it, bring balance, stop the effect and turn things around. If one buries emotions they build because they never resolve and never do their job, because the job is to show how something is important and needs addressing. Ignore it long enough and this thing will come to dominate everything.
Put it simply until a believer comes to know their own emotional language, Jesus cannot begin to have a reasonable conversation with them. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

God took a real risk, with free will,

God did not take any risk, God knew full well what mankind would do, Christ was always the plan from the very beginning, God is not so blind. Why should God fear of failure, How can God fail, what part of Gods plan might fail. We might fail but God will never fail.

 

[FollowHim]

God did not take any risk, God knew full well what mankind would do, Christ was always the plan from the very beginning, God is not so blind. Why should God fear of failure, How can God fail, what part of Gods plan might fail. We might fail but God will never fail.

Have you gone through this chain of thought?
Jesus when He was tempted, could He have ever failed and fallen for the temptation? If not, then the temptation was not real or a challenge. If the temptation was real and a true challenge and potential answer, Jesus as a man could have succumbed. Until God placed Jesus in this place, the question could not be asked and answered.

The reason the Lamb who was slain is worthy because it was all real, and the risk was real, and the vulnerability was real. In another sense God was never going to fail because of who He is, but He decided to prove this and demonstrate it, rather than just declare it. It is why I am staggard by our Lord, the more I learn the more I bow before Him. He takes my breath away, He is more glorious than I could ever imagine or conceive.

It is why the apostles talked about sharing in His sufferings as a privilege. When you know this demonstrated what love ultimately is capable of, how vast beyond measure it seeks to find a way through. Did Jesus choose to create us, to give us so much to prove and demonstrate who He is and the wonderfulness of love overcoming truly is?

And more glorious still, for me, if others do not see, if I can see, it is amen. There is no greater things than to know Him. Praise the Lord, Amen

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus when He was tempted, could He have ever failed and fallen for the temptation?

Yes HE could of, but God never had a plan B, there was only one plan, Christ, the light of the world, in whom is the salvation of all men, You know this bit.

Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

Do you think God would of started all this if it could fail, you seem to keep bringing God down to the level of a man, and that He is not, He has none of mens weaknesses.

 

[FollowHim]

Yes HE could of, but God never had a plan B, there was only one plan, Christ, the light of the world, in whom is the salvation of all men, You know this bit.

Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

Do you think God would of started all this if it could fail, you seem to keep bringing God down to the level of a man, and that He is not, He has none of mens weaknesses.

I think you have missed the point. If Jesus's walk was easy without cost or risk, there is no example or victory, just a game. The Jews wanted Jesus dead because how could a man claim to be God? We likewise would say yes, how could He? Unless He actually was.

Jesus is unusual on many levels, but because we are familiar with the stories we miss so much. Jesus spoke to Martha gently about Mary listening to Jesus. Yes we need food, but to go hungry and hear Jesus is much better than just preparing things.
It is easy to fill out lives with stuff and miss eternity and His ways. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I think you have missed the point. If Jesus's walk was easy without cost or risk, there is no example or victory, just a game. The Jews wanted Jesus dead because how could a man claim to be God? We likewise would say yes, how could He? Unless He actually was.

Never said it was, where did you get that from, and by the way he never claimed to be God HE said He was equal to, and before you go down that Jesus is God thing.

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

As I said before, God knows He only has a plan A, He is not a man doesnt need a plan B

 

[FollowHim]

Never said it was, where did you get that from, and by the way he never claimed to be God HE said He was equal to, and before you go down that Jesus is God thing.

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

As I said before, God knows He only has a plan A, He is not a man doesnt need a plan B

Do you not believe Jesus is God?
There are some fundamental reasons why He must be. The key one is the foundation of creation, love over domination.

God's debate with creation is love works and domination fails. Satan disagrees and for a time is allowed to speak. Without such debate there is no choice. It is also why God is hidden, because its love that finds Him not power.

When God comes in power man just wants things easy, sorted. I used to wonder why we have so much freedom. Because we need to discover the boundaries and build them in ourselves. It is the nature of culture and society. But without love and care it will not function. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Do you not believe Jesus is God?
There are some fundamental reasons why He must be. The key one is the foundation of creation, love over domination.

No there is no reason why He must be except that "christians" demand it.

1Jn_5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

God did not have to Give Himself anything He already had it all.

 

[FollowHim]

No there is no reason why He must be except that "christians" demand it.

1Jn_5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

God did not have to Give Himself anything He already had it all.

Sounds like you do not believe Jesus is God.
You talk of "christians" demanding it. It is part of our theology and understanding of the apostles teaching.
You appear to disagree. So which group of theological views do you align with?

I am a trinitarian, and follow a baptist view of faith. I am somewhere between calvinist and armenian in my views.
I do not know if you know these terms and their implications, but just so you know my assumptions and foundations.
God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Answers to straight questions often display the real dilemma of where people are at.
Some are in a flux between positions, which a problem and not yet clear on how to answer.

One member answered to the question of is Jesus God, he would say the son of God. What he was commenting on, speculation and trying to define the undefinable does not necessarily help. For instance we assume we pray to Jesus, but actually we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. Jesus accepted worship while on earth, but wanted us to focus on the Father, following Jesus's example.

We do not worship the Holy Spirit, rather the Holy Spirit helps us worship and commune with the Father. In a sense by worshipping the Father we are worshipping Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but the Father is complete, and the Holy Spirit and Jesus are limited in various ways. We have hints at these differences and similarities, but to go further is probably not possible.

God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

I wonder if putting a case makes some change their thinking.
Some issues are actually obvious when you lay them out. It is not trying to be better than others or know more, it is just the fundamentals of who and what we are.

If you get these things wrong, theology can make sense is a different way than is intended.
The Lord expects us to discover through our lives and our changing who are what He is.

Love is very strange. It works by experiencing it, and it working through. You cannot have a theory or intellectual assent, because love speaks from who we are, not what we think. It is why the pharisees did not know Christ, because their hearts were not interested in love only self indulgence and greed.

 

[mjrhealth]

Sounds like you do not believe Jesus is God.
You talk of "christians" demanding it. It is part of our theology and understanding of the apostles teaching.
You appear to disagree. So which group of theological views do you align with?

He isnt but He is, Jesus is the WORD of God come in the flesh, God spoke, Mary received and conceived Christ which is what Gods word does, it creates life. what has Theology got to do with God,you are basing all your understanding on what you read and what yo believe you know, you claim to be walking in the spirit but than you in your own words deny it all.
This forum is because of "theology". mens own understanding.

7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them. And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is My beloved Son. Hear Him.

So hear Him.

 

[mjrhealth]

Answers to straight questions often display the real dilemma of where people are at.
Some are in a flux between positions, which a problem and not yet clear on how to answer.

Exactly, maybe you should stop asking questions, or tell me what you "want " to hear like most christians do.

 

[FollowHim]

Exactly, maybe you should stop asking questions, or tell me what you "want " to hear like most christians do.

If you refuse definitions it suggests they are not favourable. It is simple if you agreed with, but clearly not.
If defining Jesus has no focus then neither does the cross or redemption. God bless you.

I am just here to share and listen

 

[mjrhealth]

If you refuse definitions it suggests they are not favourable. It is simple if you agreed with, but clearly not.
If defining Jesus has no focus then neither does the cross or redemption. God bless you.

You have set a bunch of rules that Christ must fit in, and He and God cannot be defined by any set of rules, that is your failing. People refuse to leave there doctrines for Him and most refuse to leave there religions for Him, If theology is more important than knowing Him, than doctrine is all you will ever know.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation comes form God not thelology.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You wont get it from anywhere else.

 

[FollowHim]

You have set a bunch of rules that Christ must fit in, and He and God cannot be defined by any set of rules, that is your failing. People refuse to leave there doctrines for Him and most refuse to leave there religions for Him, If theology is more important than knowing Him, than doctrine is all you will ever know.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation comes form God not thelology.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You wont get it from anywhere else.

Your so on to something, do not define anything then whatever you have is right. So how do you know others are wrong..... Either you submit to definitions or it is chaos..... Your experience is as valid as mine so that's where everyone ends up. If you say it is Jesus meeting people, again my experience is as valid as yours.
Authority is not a minor point it is our foundation....

 

[mjrhealth]

Authority is not a minor point it is our foundation..

Whos His or the bibles which has none, is the bible your God????

 

[marks]

Yes HE could of, but God never had a plan B, there was only one plan, Christ, the light of the world, in whom is the salvation of all men, You know this bit.

Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"

Who was there for God to make this promise to? I believe He promised to His Son. Knowing what creation would result in, God promised eternal life to His Son, along with all of those children who would be born of God through the Son.

Much love!

 

[mjrhealth]

Either you submit to definitions or it is chaos.

What do you see on this forum men setting definitions and what do you see chaos, its all from men, not God