God is faithful

[FollowHim]

ROM 3:4
I had a hard time thinking what is God faithful to? Forgiveness when people call and repent He answers even hopeless cases.

Some say God forgives when you come to faith and never lets go. But this is slavery to man's hopes, not faithfulness to God's principles.

Paul uses couplets, disown, disown but faithless is still God remains faithful to those that walk.

Some imagine salvation is life without end, but a sinner living without end would be hell. It is ironic, salvation without change is God's gift, death for eternity.

The puzzle for me is blessing of believers who are not elect.
But God is faithful irrespective of the outcome. Judas could have repented, but He did not. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

 

[FollowHim]

Why is it important to define Gods faithfulness?
As Paul says if God is faithful to those that call, then surely its ok to sin all the more to demonstrate Gods faithfulness.

Paul argues that without knowledge of who God is, how He works and exercises His will, it is impossible to be righteous by following the law because as sinners we always fail.

But in Christ we have a new heart, the ability to walk in love and fulfil the law, and so through faith be declared righteous. Faith is the expression of knowledge of who God is, as shown in the cross and in Jesus. The outward proof, statement of this love was the cross, the atoning sacrifice which has no equal. Even some sins were not judged until the sacrifice was made.

25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:25-26

It is this faith that justifies us separate from the observing the law.
Do we ignore the law therefore? No we uphold it.

The complexity of the argument is in the layers of ideas.
Gods people seek in doing good seek glory, honour and immortality, they will get their reward.
But they receive their reward because of faith not because they also observe the moral law, which is their heart walking in love.

Some interpret Gods faithfulness to a limited view, of saying if one believed God and had faith at any point in ones life, this justifies you to have received eternal life, an eternal transformation, which can never be removed or destroyed. One maybe a sinning believer, but one is already eternal. This denies Jesus's condemnation of fruitless works which lead to nothing and are rejected.

If one holds the life that is born into a believer can actually die, then it makes sense that things are about the present tense experience, and faithfulness is faithfulness of God to where we are today.
God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Why is it important to define Gods faithfulness?
As Paul says if God is faithful to those that call, then surely its ok to sin all the more to demonstrate Gods faithfulness.

Paul argues that without knowledge of who God is, how He works and exercises His will, it is impossible to be righteous by following the law because as sinners we always fail.

But in Christ we have a new heart, the ability to walk in love and fulfil the law, and so through faith be declared righteous. Faith is the expression of knowledge of who God is, as shown in the cross and in Jesus. The outward proof, statement of this love was the cross, the atoning sacrifice which has no equal. Even some sins were not judged until the sacrifice was made.

25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:25-26

It is this faith that justifies us separate from the observing the law.
Do we ignore the law therefore? No we uphold it.

The complexity of the argument is in the layers of ideas.
Gods people seek in doing good seek glory, honour and immortality, they will get their reward.
But they receive their reward because of faith not because they also observe the moral law, which is their heart walking in love.

Some interpret Gods faithfulness to a limited view, of saying if one believed God and had faith at any point in ones life, this justifies you to have received eternal life, an eternal transformation, which can never be removed or destroyed. One maybe a sinning believer, but one is already eternal. This denies Jesus's condemnation of fruitless works which lead to nothing and are rejected.

If one holds the life that is born into a believer can actually die, then it makes sense that things are about the present tense experience, and faithfulness is faithfulness of God to where we are today.
God bless you

I guess than that makes God like a man, a really bad father, that will beat his children into submission if they dont get it right, God is love, when one knows love, than one knows love can over look, just like a parent doesnt beat up there child because they soiled them selves, or abused them because they touched the flame and got burnt when they where told they shouldn't, did you know God divorced Israel, yet Gods promise is for their salvation, God is greater than man, tjho9ugh some make Him submissive to men.

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

There is nothing impossible for God, oh ye of little faith.

 

[FollowHim]

Peter has the list building, rather than different aspects 2 Peter 1:5-7
Faith => goodness => knowledge => self control => perseverance => godliness => brotherly kindness => love

Foundational layers of the believer

4 Persistence in doing good, following the moral law
3 Circumcision of the heart, a seal of righteousness
2 Faith
1 Christs work, the cross

God is faithful to build and maintain this structure of change.
Without faith and the cross transformation and discipleship is not possible. Without failure, struggle, working things through victories are not achieved and change becomes futile.

It is Gods faithfulness to us, when we call through this struggle that He answers. God is faithful, because every believer is always close to failure and defeat, giving up and not carrying on, which is the walk of the way and our victory as each step we take is deeper into the reality He has built in our hearts.

In a sense we have done nothing, rather we have let God transform us into His likeness through persevering and abiding in Him and His word, Amen

 

[FollowHim]

Why is it important to define Gods faithfulness?
As Paul says if God is faithful to those that call, then surely its ok to sin all the more to demonstrate Gods faithfulness.

Paul argues that without knowledge of who God is, how He works and exercises His will, it is impossible to be righteous by following the law because as sinners we always fail.

But in Christ we have a new heart, the ability to walk in love and fulfil the law, and so through faith be declared righteous. Faith is the expression of knowledge of who God is, as shown in the cross and in Jesus. The outward proof, statement of this love was the cross, the atoning sacrifice which has no equal. Even some sins were not judged until the sacrifice was made.

25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:25-26

It is this faith that justifies us separate from the observing the law.
Do we ignore the law therefore? No we uphold it.

The complexity of the argument is in the layers of ideas.
Gods people seek in doing good seek glory, honour and immortality, they will get their reward.
But they receive their reward because of faith not because they also observe the moral law, which is their heart walking in love.

Some interpret Gods faithfulness to a limited view, of saying if one believed God and had faith at any point in ones life, this justifies you to have received eternal life, an eternal transformation, which can never be removed or destroyed. One maybe a sinning believer, but one is already eternal. This denies Jesus's condemnation of fruitless works which lead to nothing and are rejected.

If one holds the life that is born into a believer can actually die, then it makes sense that things are about the present tense experience, and faithfulness is faithfulness of God to where we are today.
God bless you

Paul is even more determined to emphasis the calling of the elect.

7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
1 Cor 3:7

15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Phil 3:15

21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Cor 1:21-22

So if we do not stand firm in Christ, who has failed? Man or God?
If it is not man, then it is God. Now some would argue that God cannot fail, therefore man must have failed, but if man is not involved in our salvation at all, then failure of Gods work in our hearts is Gods fault and His failure.

So one can say God makes us stand firm in Him, but also this is part of us choosing to stand. We could stand, but if God does not move and support and give us everything we need we would collapse. It is why taking one verse as the total definition of truth can be very miss-leading and show failures in theology and understanding relationship as if these are static, concrete things.

God bless you

 

[DPMartin]

ROM 3:4
I had a hard time thinking what is God faithful to? Forgiveness when people call and repent He answers even hopeless cases.

Some say God forgives when you come to faith and never lets go. But this is slavery to man's hopes, not faithfulness to God's principles.

Paul uses couplets, disown, disown but faithless is still God remains faithful to those that walk.

Some imagine salvation is life without end, but a sinner living without end would be hell. It is ironic, salvation without change is God's gift, death for eternity.

The puzzle for me is blessing of believers who are not elect.
But God is faithful irrespective of the outcome. Judas could have repented, but He did not. God bless you

its no puzzle at all Paul also says:

1Co 3:11　 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.　
1Co 3:12　 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;　
1Co 3:13　 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.　
1Co 3:14　 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.　
1Co 3:15　 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.　

the Life lives which is also the fire in which Paul quotes Moses in Hebrews 12:29　"For our God is a consuming fire".
hence, that which is of God remains with God and that which is of earth remains with the earth. which is in this case, the only memory that remains is God's memory of His, through His view of His Beloved Son because they have that which His Son has. the rest doe not remain.

 

[mjrhealth]

So one can say God makes us stand firm in Him, but also this is part of us choosing to stand. We could stand, but if God does not move and support and give us everything we need we would collapse. It is why taking one verse as the total definition of truth can be very miss-leading and show failures in theology and understanding relationship as if these are static, concrete things.

Thats because it is not about theology it is about truth, I doubt God or Christ had a degree in theology, in fact Saul seemed to be the only one and he counted it all as dung.

 

[FollowHim]

Thats because it is not about theology it is about truth, I doubt God or Christ had a degree in theology, in fact Saul seemed to be the only one and he counted it all as dung.

Theology is truth. It is how we know we are not talking gibberish.

If one proposes two opposing ideas, then there is no structure. This is the basis of lawlessness. We know life needs structure, death is the stopping of life. Life is based on laws, rules which God lays down. Therefore theology is the foundation of the gospel and the Lord.

Emotionally we can leave truth behind, but this is just unbelief......which God will judge......

 

[mjrhealth]

Theology is truth. It is how we know we are not talking gibberish.

If one proposes two opposing ideas, then there is no structure. This is the basis of lawlessness. We know life needs structure, death is the stopping of life. Life is based on laws, rules which God lays down. Therefore theology is the foundation of the gospel and the Lord.

Emotionally we can leave truth behind, but this is just unbelief......which God will judge......

Theology is not truth, Christ is truth, and in Him alone there is no lie, it is their in your bible,

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

and this bit

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

that is not theology.

Without Him you have nothing

 

[FollowHim]

Theology is not truth, Christ is truth, and in Him alone there is no lie, it is their in your bible,

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

and this bit

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

that is not theology.

Without Him you have nothing

I think if you want to play semantics, or be against logic or order, thats fine.

Jesus is truth, so theology and truth will shine in the gospel. It is why we use everything to honour God.

Science has confirmed the universe was created, but atheists hate this so much they created alternate realities. It is true of all heresies, they need to ignore the logical flaws.

Living in the light, walking in Christ means we face them. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

God is faithful

Sin is the extreme expression of us being created beings and not God and standing against Him.
To be created, to have consciousness apart from the Lord creates a barrier, a potential for rebellion, for taking the wrong road, for being independent and in opposition to Him. This separation is a reality, eternally.

Therefore as we are not God, we are always learning, always in this process of moving towards the infinite, perfection, the source of creation.
Our walk is always a walk of humbleness and being contrite, because before Him we are always other, less than, in need.

It is this position Lucifer rebelled against, being filled with pride as his own position, desired more.

The Lords way is equality, fair judgement, looking at things as they are, being grateful for what one has, and seeing opportunity as it arises. Sin wants more, puts self above the situation and others, and is prepared to harm for this goal.

So in one sense we never obtain perfection, that which God is, but always need to be aiming for it. The Lord commits himself to these people, to their hearts and their fruit.

But darkness does not see this, because self and its goals and ambitions dominate. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I think if you want to play semantics, or be against logic or order, thats fine.

Jesus is truth, so theology and truth will shine in the gospel. It is why we use everything to honour God.

Science has confirmed the universe was created, but atheists hate this so much they created alternate realities. It is true of all heresies, they need to ignore the logical flaws.

Living in the light, walking in Christ means we face them. God bless you

See your stuck in the bible, semantics the bible is not God the bible is not Jesus and the bible is not the holy spirit, and as Jesus said "in the bible" it has no life.

But men have made it there God just as the Israelite worshiped there golden calf because they refused to go and listen to God as you .

Heb_12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

I stand at the door, knocking for how long will you refuse Him.

 

[FollowHim]

See your stuck in the bible, semantics the bible is not God the bible is not Jesus and the bible is not the holy spirit, and as Jesus said "in the bible" it has no life.

But men have made it there God just as the Israelite worshiped there golden calf because they refused to go and listen to God as you .

Heb_12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

I stand at the door, knocking for how long will you refuse Him.

You have a serious problem in your logic. Without scripture you have nothing.
Scripture is strange because language is a linear experience. One word at a time to build a picture. It is within the balance of all the features do we find the truth.

The book of Job is a discussion of what is possible to understand from our limited insight into reality. And the conclusion is we only see a small part.

4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand."
Job 38:4

The argument is within the word of God and how God answers each issue.
The Lord gave Israel as a testimony of mans reaction to Gods way. All we have left of that whole experience is scripture.

Ironically God could have written the bible without any reality for us to learn from, but rather scripture needed to be created through mans experience and it being recorded. It is why the gospels were written after Jesus rose with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not as they happened.

Now you would rather ignore Gods revelation and reality and rely on your heavenly experience.
God bless you. I have my heavenly experience and I am happy and at peace in Him, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only son of God, Messiah, Saviour, Amen

 

[mjrhealth]

You have a serious problem in your logic. Without scripture you have nothing.

Yes you have nothing, because you still refuse His Spirit.This forum is fliied with those who read the bible yet dont know Christ, call them sleves " born again spirit filled" yet deny the Spirit of God and so deny Him who sent Him.

 

[FollowHim]

Yes you have nothing, because you still refuse His Spirit.This forum is fliied with those who read the bible yet dont know Christ, call them sleves " born again spirit filled" yet deny the Spirit of God and so deny Him who sent Him.

It is hard for me to accept your judgement that I refuse the Holy Spirit.
Can you discern such things from whether I listen to Jesus's words, from my confession of faith and my testified life?
If by your judgement I do not know Jesus, then so is most of the christian church. It is easy to exclude people, but the point of inclusion often demonstrates what you actually believe.

The apostles knew God was working by seeing the Holy Spirit anoint people.
John tested the spirit within people by determining if people testified to Jesus come in the flesh and faith in the cross for the forgiveness of sins. Now you have another test.

As believers we gather and have fellowship with others to sing Gods praises because our hearts desire this. This is why I go to church and why I come to believers forums to share and have fellowship. I do not judge others, but wish to encourage them in Christ.

So my friend, tell me my failure, and I will walk in the road to success. If it is something I have already done, then I am sorry to say, you are the one who believes in something other than what you are saying. God bless you

By the way God declares He is faithful to those who call upon Him, and I testify to you, this is so true.

7 Hear my voice when I call, O LORD; be merciful to me and answer me.
8 My heart says of you, "Seek his face!" Your face, LORD, I will seek.
9 Do not hide your face from me, do not turn your servant away in anger; you have been my helper. Do not reject me or forsake me, O God my Savior.
Psalm 27:7-9

6 Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
Isa 55:6-7

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
John 4:23-24

If we seek God in spirit and truth, we will find Him, Amen.

 

[FollowHim]

God is faithful to provide wisdom to receive from God

1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6 Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matt 7:1-8

If anyone wants something more than Gods word, then they have rejected Gods word.
If Gods word is not precious in their life, then the idea of the bible becoming an idol makes sense.

But in truth those who know Gods word know its wisdom and power, and want to know more.
What people dislike is Gods word says so many difficult things that require us to work through them, so rather than face God and His word they would rather claim there is another way of revelation.

 

[FollowHim]

Yes you have nothing, because you still refuse His Spirit.This forum is fliied with those who read the bible yet dont know Christ, call them sleves " born again spirit filled" yet deny the Spirit of God and so deny Him who sent Him.

"refuse His Spirit" Are you saying this while being full of the Holy Spirit yourself? How did you receive this spirit you are talking about?
As a believer and follower of Jesus by definition I have the Holy Spirit as does every other follower of Jesus.

It is why I would not call anyone out on this basis, as who am I to judge their faith or walk in the Lord. But for those who judge unfortunately there is so much scripture against such things.

If you want to convict me of sin, amen, I am a redeemed sinner, washed and cleansed in the blood of Christ. If you want me to put faith in Jesus, amen, I have, for in Him I am access to the Holy of Holies. If you put yourself outside this, you are are not a believer, which would explain your condemnation of a believer while claiming to be a believer oneself. This is certainly a valid argument to suggest gnostic theology leads one to do this.

It is like guys who say they are eternal children of God because they believed Jesus, which they can never lose, but I am not though I believed on the same basis. In this theology the kingdom can be divided against itself. It is why it helps to say what defines a believer, the elect and what does not. Unfortunately this also means one can be a believer and then deny it all. So gnostics hate such definitions but ignore the flaw in their position. I wish you well, but clearly something drives your argument along. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

wish you well, but clearly something drives your argument along

Yes Chrsit.
I am the way the truth and the life says the Lord, there is no other way no other truth and there is no life without Him.

 

[FollowHim]

Yes Chrsit.
I am the way the truth and the life says the Lord, there is no other way no other truth and there is no life without Him.

Amen, praise the Lord that He is the centre of our lives.