What are Your Feelings on Tithes

[VictoryinJesus]

Of course, those who don't bring the whole tithe into the storehouse are cursed with a curse for that they have been robbing God, according to Malachi 3.

of course those who don’t bring the ‘whole tithe into the storehouse’ are cursed with a curse for that they have robbed God ...Acts 4:9-10 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; [10] Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Strong's Hebrew: 3634. כָּלַל (kalal) -- to complete, perfect
Mark 12:32-34 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [34] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

 

[LC627]

Worship leaders have to learn their trade just like anyone else. They have a certain skill set and I suppose that you think that people who have those skills should just offer them to the body of Christ for free? Next you will be saying that pastors ought not to be paid for their work that they do.

I know that some worship leaders do in fact do what they do without charge...however I do believe also that they are like the pastor in that they are in positions of official and public ministry in the church. And one ought not to muzzle the ox that treadeth out the grain.

You stop paying music ministers, and all you will have left to do that work will be those who are unskilled as it is at playing musical instruments....which will make for mediocre worship as pertains the the aspect of the musical instruments.

If you stop paying music ministers people within the congregation can pick up a hymnal! But that might be too much work for the younger generation (how dare we make them do something) so lets appoint worship into a paid position.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you stop paying music ministers people within the congregation can pick up a hymnal! But that might be too much work for the younger generation (how dare we make them do something) so lets appoint worship into a paid position.

I suppose that you think the old ways are better.

As for me, I am blessed by the anointed worship that I hear coming from those who are even paid to play on an instrument.

There are also many new songs that have been brought into the family of God since the old days when many of those hymnals were created. So I suppose that we can create new hymnals to accommodate those songs. Thing is, many of those songs were intended to be sung with guitar accompaniment.

So then, what you are proposing is that we get rid of those songs and go back to singing what the church used to sing 100 years ago.

I suppose that that would be fine and dandy (for some of those songs are wonderful); but I don't believe that it is the will of our Lord. It is His will that we put new wine into new wineskins: a fresh anointing for a new generation.

 

[justbyfaith]

of course those who don’t bring the ‘whole tithe into the storehouse’ are cursed with a curse for that they have robbed God ...Acts 4:9-10 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; [10] Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Strong's Hebrew: 3634. כָּלַל (kalal) -- to complete, perfect
Mark 12:32-34 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [34] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

If you have a word that you want to speak concerning this, say on.

 

[Enoch111]

of course those who don’t bring the ‘whole tithe into the storehouse’ are cursed with a curse for that they have robbed God...

Since this is directly applicable to the temple in Jerusalem, why did you even quote it? There were storehouses within the temple.

 

[bbyrd009]

lol, suddenly no longer applicable to today at all huh pEnoch

And we who believe are in Him as a body.

well, you say that, but the Bible says more like we who "have faith," right? Plus, now you are testifying of yourself? But we are in a forum, so im not sure how fair that is. But what does seem...exclusive, is that even though i can accept your words easily enough, see you are still speaking in definitives; who is this "we?" Any Muslims in that we? And im sure yall think i prolly like love Muslims or something lol, but honest i dont, i picked them because i dont lol

so, lotta problems imo with "we who believe," wadr. "We who believe" goto parties after baptisms, and get our egos built up, and commend ourselves to each other, and talk like professors, as if we knew, yeh? We who believe would never even think of actually following Jesus' literal instructions to those who would be His disciples, let alone apostles, and i mean me too ok, so no offense, i spar with you a lot, but i do also respect how you came to "believe" what you do, and take that into consideration as much as i can, but wadr your reply there strikes me as an evasion now, even though i grew up with that myself.

Bc if we who believe are in Him as a body like you say/mean then i have some other observations that i havent even touched on yet, neverminding all of the Scriptures that are being evaded, that you are even evading, see--pretty sure this is that thread, bet its even on this page--which of course you will deny and i dont blame you, yet there they are and you arent commenting on them, and i bet you any amount of money you couldnt produce a single sermon of yours that ever had them vv in it either

so anyway fwiw i would be looking at everybody else as "they who believe," even ppl who say they are Atheist, even Muslims, and keep wondering about those who believe they might literally ascend to some magical place after they have died, as they decorate trees and wadr mostly display that they are believing in Santa Claus as a body, generally speaking.

Who is "we?" You mean "Christians," right
see i mean on some level you proclaim to me all by yourself...just where you are at; digging a pit for others, wadr. Best of luck in your quest ok, and i really mean that, i dont condemn you for trying to get your ego in heaven at all, but who are "you" even? Contemplate that you invented that guy imo, and in many others

See, here is the thing...you are not a Christian if you define Christianity as "the Cult of Sol."

see, here is the thing; you are not the arbiter of that, even though you surely believe you are

your gatherings do more harm than good

 

[bbyrd009]

of course those who don’t bring the ‘whole tithe into the storehouse’ are cursed with a curse for that they have robbed God ...Acts 4:9-10 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; [10] Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Strong's Hebrew: 3634. כָּלַל (kalal) -- to complete, perfect
Mark 12:32-34 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [33] And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [34] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

but we insist that Jesus died for our sins as a sacrifice to appease Yah, to make us acceptable to Him right

 

[Behold]

This.

Is it ok to Give = $$$$$$$

 

[mailmandan]

Malachi 3:8 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. The whole nation of Israel. Malachi is written to Israel under the Old Covenant.

Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant. I even once heard a Pastor at a church where I temporarily attended make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back.

That same Pastor legalistically used the 10% tithe to brow-beat people in that church with guilt. He even handed out pledge cards for people to fill out so they can pledge to give extra money on a monthly basis over a three year period "above and beyond" the 10% tithe directly to the "moving forward" project to build a new mega church (that they did not need and to this day never built). More than a few people have left that church because all that Pastor mainly talked about was money (primarily the 10% tithe) and building that new mega church.

During one sermon, he even mentioned that a member of that church came into his office one day somewhat irate and said that he is leaving that church because he is tired of hearing about money all the time and needs to find a church where he can go deeper in the Word. The Pastor mentioned that the word "deeper" is a code word for "I'm not tithing 10%." The Pastor went on to say that he checked the records and sure enough that member of the church was not giving 10% and some months gave nothing at all and then acted like good riddance to him! I was not impressed. Whatever amount of money that you wish to give is between you and God, but we should not turn giving into a legalistic prescription.

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

I don't see a "specific percentage" under the New Covenant for Christians to give, but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.

 

[Behold]

I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.

Once we are able to recognize that its not our money, it's God's money that He allows us to use, then this helps us to think differently regarding "giving".
God wants us to give, because it's His, and God is a giver.
The more we give the more we are like God.
The more we cling to it all, the more we are unlike God.
God not only owns our money, but He also owns US.
He bought us with the Blood of Jesus.
We are "bought with a price".
So, if anyone here is afraid that you can "lose your salvation", try to remember that salvation, just like everything else, belongs to God, and He does not lose anything.
Believe it.

 

[Taken]

What are Your Feelings on Tithes
OP^

Tithes were an Old Testament requirement for a Follower of Old Testament Laws.

There were more than one type of Tithe:
For the Temple
For Use of the Temple, feasts/celebrations
For Use by the Temple to provide the Poor/needy, with food.

A Tithe could acceptability be money, offered service, food.

New Testament reveals a Fulfillment of OT Law.

As the Fulfillment (by Jesus), was coming to a close, Jesus hanging on the Cross, The Temple was Destroyed.

If the OT Law was fulfilled, and the Temple Destroyed...where would a person TAKE a Temple Tithe to?

Where in the New Testament, are People, members of a Church, scripturally required to Tithe at a Church?

Anyone?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Candidus]

Christian History Magazine Christian History Timeline: Money in Christian History (II) | Christian History Magazine

Points out on its timeline, the moment that a shift in preaching tithing gained widespread popularity in the modern church.

While in Church history we see an occasional reference to tithing, it is usually a negative stance, considered Jewish and not part of the New Covenant.

1895 Wesley Chapel in Cincinnati has financial trouble. In desperation, it tries “suppers, festivals, lectures, stereopticon shows, subscriptions, and the whole round of man-made schemes and devices,” according to layman William G. Roberts. Finally, Roberts and others introduce the concept of “storehouse tithing,” which turns the church around. Tithing is revived as a popular practice in U.S. churches.

 

[Candidus]

I suppose that you think the old ways are better.

As for me, I am blessed by the anointed worship that I hear coming from those who are even paid to play on an instrument.

There are also many new songs that have been brought into the family of God since the old days when many of those hymnals were created. So I suppose that we can create new hymnals to accommodate those songs. Thing is, many of those songs were intended to be sung with guitar accompaniment.

So then, what you are proposing is that we get rid of those songs and go back to singing what the church used to sing 100 years ago.

I suppose that that would be fine and dandy (for some of those songs are wonderful); but I don't believe that it is the will of our Lord. It is His will that we put new wine into new wineskins: a fresh anointing for a new generation.

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[Rocky Wiley]

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

I don't see a "specific percentage" under the New Covenant for Christians to give, but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.

This wasn't speaking of tithing, it was for the poor Christians in Jerusalem at that time. Tithing is not mentioned anywhere in the letters to the churches.

Jesus only mentioned thithing to the scribes and Pharisees and He was calling them 'hypocrites'.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Give to the church what you feel good in giving, but don't look down on members that are not inclined to do so.

 

[Candidus]

During one sermon, he even mentioned that a member of that church came into his office one day somewhat irate and said that he is leaving that church because he is tired of hearing about money all the time and needs to find a church where he can go deeper in the Word. The Pastor mentioned that the word "deeper" is a code word for "I'm not tithing 10%." The Pastor went on to say that he checked the records and sure enough that member of the church was not giving 10% and some months gave nothing at all and then acted like good riddance to him! I was not impressed. Whatever amount of money that you wish to give is between you and God, but we should not turn giving into a legalistic prescription.

I had a similar experience with a legalistic preacher. We were members in a Church that taught tithing. Though I did not agree that it was Biblical, I complied faithfully, because that is what I signed on for. My wife was on the Church Board, and I held a Local Preacher's License within the denomination. We were very active and involved.

The Pastor started becoming more and more legalistic, and it was killing the spiritual life in the Church. Privately, I set a meeting with him to discuss my observations, and after that meeting I was treated a lot differently. Tithing was just pounded in the pulpit from week to week, and I was curious if our giving was between God and ourselves, or if the Pastor had control of the financial books. So, I stopped writing checks, and placed cash in the offering plate.

The young lady who led the teenage ministry, apparently did the same (without any collusion with me!) A month after we both did this, she was called into his office and relieved of her position and accused of "not tithing"! She was shocked and intimidated, and did not challenge it. She left the church.

I did not know this, but I was called in three days after that, and given the riot act! I defended myself and said that I had faithfully tithed as agreed with in taking a membership in the church! I also questioned "who" was watching me in something that should be between myself and the Lord! He was taken back, ignored my question, and just said, "You need to start writing checks again, so you can show to the church what you are tithing!"

I found out two weeks later when we called on our missing member! I then found out that she had left and why! (No one in the Church knew that she had left but the Pastor). This convinced me that we were in the wrong church! I wrote a nice resignation letter, built up the Pastor in that letter, and gave it to the board to be read. In the board meeting (as a board member called and told us...) the Pastor refused to allow them to read it. He said that we left because we were not tithing!

The Church started to hemorrhage members, and in two months they were almost half of where they were the previous year. I was called and told that the Pastor was praised for having "the fastest growing Church in the District" that year! I asked to see the Annual Report. He outright lied and refused to remove anyone from Membership! We were close to the border line between Districts, and went to see a Pastor in another District to ask him to ensure that we were removed from the Denominational roles, since the "other" District refused to do so!

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, my def of hell would be alienation from God, which is what I see as being a current state for many.

interesting, i even agree, but imo does not trump that for most believers "hell" is understood to be a literal place that others who dont believe exactly like they do will spend "eternity" in, yeh? Isnt that what is still taught or strongly inferred in our "churches?"

 

[bbyrd009]

This wasn't speaking of tithing, it was for the poor Christians in Jerusalem at that time. Tithing is not mentioned anywhere in the letters to the churches.

Jesus only mentioned thithing to the scribes and Pharisees and He was calling them 'hypocrites'.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Give to the church what you feel good in giving, but don't look down on members that are not inclined to do so.

and do yourself a favor too imo and realize that "church" is not that Incorporated building that some bunch has borrowed money to finance

 

[bbyrd009]

And we who believe are in Him as a body.

no offense but you are worming your butt off ok

 

[Rocky Wiley]

and do yourself a favor too imo and realize that "church" is not that Incorporated building that some bunch has borrowed money to finance

That is another thing, God never intended large churches. The real church is where people come together at a home of a member or an empty building and praise God and testify of his goodness. He never saw a need for a pastor, never even mentioned them, read the book.

 

[Enoch111]

Worship leaders have to learn their trade just like anyone else.

Christians should understand that temple worship in Jerusalem and Christian worship worldwide are completely different. There is no "trade" to be learned since all believers belong to a priesthood of believers. Which means there cannot be worship *leaders*, and all must participate as the Spirit leads. He is the Leader.