The Scriptures are God's Greatest Gift to Mankind

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Actually, the reality is this:

Isa 55:10, For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.



As much as I know this is detrimental to what we are trying to preach here, I have to say that I have seen Him face to face in the form of a vision.

We will hash that out in another thread as it is quite involved.
You have some here claiming you don't worship God...Strange days indeed.

 

[mjrhealth]

Actually, the reality is this:

Isa 55:10, For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.



As much as I know this is detrimental to what we are trying to preach here, I have to say that I have seen Him face to face in the form of a vision.

Thats because His word is Spirit, you can destroy the whole world His Spirit will not Perish, The bible on the other hand is a dead thing it has no life even Jesus according to the bible said so.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

You spoke of partners and love in another post, wouldnt you rather the comany of your Husband Christ who is supposed to be your beloved, than a book. He is there just so few willing to open there doors and let Him in.

 

[justbyfaith]

The bible on the other hand is a dead thing it has no life

This has been brought up before; but I will quote it again:

(nkjv for clarity):

Heb 4:12, For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

even Jesus according to the bible said so.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

I'm uncertain as to how it is that you think that this passage indicates that the words of the Bible are dead words.

You spoke of partners and love in another post, wouldnt you rather the comany of your Husband Christ who is supposed to be your beloved, than a book.

I do have His company via the presence of His Spirit; nevertheless He speaks to me through His word; even through His love letter to me.

 

[mjrhealth]

Heb 4:12, For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yep Jesus is the word of God and HE is all those things and more, still today being denied by men.

Havent you noticed.
OT Prophets heard from God and had relationships with God, Enoch, Moses, Noah, Job, Jeremiah, etc etc, than we get Christ.
Peter
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

After His resurrection.
Saul
Act_9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
and again Saul
Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
John
Rev_1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

and more

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You know what God said of Idols

Isa 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

Jer_51:17 Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
Jesus isnt Dead, havnt you noticed.

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Are you never going to let your husband In or is HE only a fairy tail. Is the bible so much more important that Christ,
Can it speak,
can it save
can it do works

It has a place it is not God

 

[icxn]

Here is Matthew Henry;
...Some good interpreters understand it of Christ, the essential Word, and of his gospel, which are magnified above all the discoveries God had before made of himself to the fathers. He that magnified the law, and made that honourable, magnifies the gospel much more...

The verse (by context) is not speaking of Scripture but God's Word. This should be obvious given the human writer God used.

If one is well disposed - Matthew Henry and John in this case - he can extract honey even from questionable verses, as the scripture says, "To the pure, all things are pure..." (Titus 1:15)

 

[bbyrd009]

This has been brought up before; but I will quote it again:

(nkjv for clarity):

Heb 4:12

Pneuma right, not rhema? ...
"1. a word, yet not in the grammatical sense (equivalent to vocabulum, the mere name of an object), but language, vox, i. e. a word which, uttered by the living voice, embodies a conception or idea; (hence, it differs from ῤῆμα and ἔπος (which see; cf. also λαλέω, at the beginning))" bold mine

I'm uncertain as to how it is that you think that this passage indicates that the words of the Bible are dead words.

while that isnt my perspective, obv scribes can manip Passover into "Easter" so it seems true enough in a sense? I mean you can find a dwelling place, today, or look for Mansions in the Sky in tomorrow, yeh?

I do have His company via the presence of His Spirit; nevertheless He speaks to me through His word; even through His love letter to me.

yet if i testify of myself, my testimony is invalid right
so i mean see the position you are in now
i dont come here to torture you just for fun ok

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

If one is well disposed - Matthew Henry and John in this case - he can extract honey even from questionable verses, as the scripture says, "To the pure, all things are pure..." (Titus 1:15)

There is not a radical division between scripture and what scripture points to as the object of our worship, as if God did not appoint the scriptures as a major means of grace.
Scripture being God breathed is fully authoratative.
In jn.8,10,12, Jesus declares the word which He has spoken will judge those on th he last day.

 

[bbyrd009]

There is not a radical division between scripture and what scripture points to as the object of our worship, as if God did not appoint the scriptures as a major means of grace.
Scripture being God breathed is fully authoratative.
In jn.8,10,12, Jesus declares the word which He has spoken will judge those on th he last day.

well, but then humans come along and translate It, right? Is it still Word then? Is "Easter" still Yah's Word?

 

[amadeus]

The Bible is Christ's love letter to us.

We don't have the privilege of seeing Him face to face anymore (2 Corinthians 5:16); so we read His love letter to us; and His Spirit interprets it to us and He speaks to us in this way.

Anymore?
What does that verse say?

"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." II Cor 5:16

The 12 who followed Jesus closely for those 3½ years saw his face of flesh, but they were all like Philip here:

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father" John 14:9

They all ran away in fear of men when Jesus was taken away on his way to the cross. Their carnal vision of his face of flesh helped them little. They were in and out like Peter here:

First he is seeing a bit...

"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:16-17

And then he is blind again...

"Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matt 16:22-23

None of them saw His face clearly then. Now today some of peruse the written scriptures in search of Him... looking for His face!

Hey, our vision may still be rather dark and murky but the "Then" is coming for some. Have not some already encountered it?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

But look here:

"And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." Mark 8:22-25

That blind man received a second touch from Jesus. Do we need a second touch or a 3rd or a 4th? Whatever it takes, that is what we should be willing to do:

 

[amadeus]

well, but then humans come along and translate It, right? Is it still Word then? Is "Easter" still Yah's Word?

"But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." I Cor 14:28

In reading in the scriptures that has been and still very commonly is the problem: No interpreter. Who is qualified? A student of the ancient biblical languages and linguistics? I think not!

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

 

[amadeus]

I do have His company via the presence of His Spirit; nevertheless He speaks to me through His word; even through His love letter to me.

When I met my wife, I was a student in Mexico City, only at home in California for Christmas break. We only dated a couple of times and I had to leave to go back to Mexico. We exchanged written letters for several months and in one of those letters I finally asked her to marry me and she said, 'yes' by return mail. Love letters they were, but no proxy marriage involved. In a few months I came home to California. Once we were back together physically we pledged ourselves to each other and the marriage was consummated. When the letters were all we had, it was a good thing, but the "face to face" was the thing. It was the "then". I did not marry a letter or a book.

 

[John Caldwell]

We have to remember that the Word of God speaks to anything "proceeding from the mouth of God". It is wrong to reduce this (especially in Scripture) to the Bible.

This is how the Son is the Word. This is how we can refer to Scripture as God's words. God's words are expressions of God Himself.

The idea that God has given us the Bible and uplifted the Bible to a state superior to God Himself not only illustrates biblical illiteracy but idolatry.

The OP, as defended here by some, should never have existed on a Christian forum. That it does speaks volumes of the state of biblical literacy in our churches today.

 

[bbyrd009]

"But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." I Cor 14:28

In reading in the scriptures that has been and still very commonly is the problem: No interpreter. Who is qualified? A student of the ancient biblical languages and linguistics? I think not!

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

that is why questions seem like better answers to me; as we are not qualified to give answers imo

 

[amadeus]

that is why questions seem like better answers to me; as we are not qualified to give answers imo

That is the way of our flesh. We want to speak and tell the world what we know and perhaps receive a pat on the back for it. So a question may incite a really hungry person to reach out or it may cause someone whose mouth never stops to stop and contemplate the issue. There is a time to speak as well as a time to be silent. The time is God's. But how many are able to hear Him tell us which is which for the moment and for the question? Provide the right answer? Can we even ask the right question?

"He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions." Matt 22:43-46

 

[John Caldwell]

When I met my wife, I was a student in Mexico City, only at home in California for Christmas break. We only dated a couple of times and I had to leave to go back to Mexico. We exchanged written letters for several months and in one of those letters I finally asked her to marry me and she said, 'yes' by return mail. Love letters they were, but no proxy marriage involved. In a few months I came home to California. Once we were back together physically we pledged ourselves to each other and the marriage was consummated. When the letters were all we had, it was a good thing, but the "face to face" was the thing. It was the "then". I did not marry a letter or a book.

Very good (and interesting) illustration.

I doubt the thought "these letters are better than my wife" ever crossed your mind.

When we meet the One of Whom Scripture testifies nothing else ever compares.

 

[amadeus]

Very good (and interesting) illustration.

I doubt the thought "these letters are better than my wife" ever crossed your mind.

When we meet the One of Whom Scripture testifies nothing else ever compares.

Amen!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Scripture reveals how Cain was jealous of Abel.
He became so jealous he killed his brother.
Lying and dishonesty lead to such carnal sins.
Scripture is given not only to reveal God and our need for a new birth, but also to warn against envious jealous people who would do us harm.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Many times on such a forum we see that people seem to be defective on basic reading comprehension. A person can claim to study the greek, but if they cannot understand english what good would such a claim be.
This thread is about scripture being the greatest gift to mankind, both those who become saved, and those who perish.
No one at anytime posted that scripture is superior to God.
Only a dishonest person or someone ignorant would suggest such a thing.
psalm119:
115 Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

118 Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.

119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: therefore I love thy testimonies.


To suggest that a thread speaking of God breathed scripture has no place on a Christian forum is asinine.

psalm119:
127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

129 Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them.

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

I have had the opportunity to read many commentaries written by godly men who do not suggest anything like that, because they love God and his word and comprehend that scripture is the means of grace the Spirit quickens to His sheep.
Such futile ideas come from a dark place.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yep Jesus is the word of God

As is the Holy Bible.

and HE is all those things and more, still today being denied by men.

yes, those who deny that the Bible is the word of God do indeed deny HIM.

yet if i testify of myself, my testimony is invalid right

See John 8:13-14. Though I testify of myself, my testimony is valid; because I know where I came from and where I am going. While I know that where I came from is a place of being a sinner (and that this is different from Jesus' testimony in saying the same words); yet I know that where I am going is heaven (and that this is the same testimony).

When I met my wife, I was a student in Mexico City, only at home in California for Christmas break. We only dated a couple of times and I had to leave to go back to Mexico. We exchanged written letters for several months and in one of those letters I finally asked her to marry me and she said, 'yes' by return mail. Love letters they were, but no proxy marriage involved. In a few months I came home to California. Once we were back together physically we pledged ourselves to each other and the marriage was consummated. When the letters were all we had, it was a good thing, but the "face to face" was the thing. It was the "then". I did not marry a letter or a book.

Yet, you can be certain that in reading her letters to you, you did not receive an inaccurate representation of who she was neither of her feelings toward you. Most certainly, having her there is better than reading love letters.

And having Jesus here with us in the flesh would be better than love letters. But we know Him no more according to the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). So he speaks to us through His word; and in reading His love letter to us, we do not get an inaccurate rendering of who He is neither of His feelings towards us. The love letter represents Him perfectly in the words that it says to us.

Very good (and interesting) illustration.

I doubt the thought "these letters are better than my wife" ever crossed your mind.

When we meet the One of Whom Scripture testifies nothing else ever compares.

So, Jesus walks around in your house with you, in the flesh, does He?

What you need to realize is that the Holy Spirit speaks to us through His word.

If you are listening to voices in your mind, then you need to realize that any voice can pose as being the voice of Jesus Christ; and if they are telling you something contrary to the word, they are going to deceive you if you reject the word as being the ultimate authority.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Yes it's very troubling when some people are troubled by voices in their mind they leave scripture and just listen to the voices in the head.sometimes that's not a good path. Joseph Smith did that he put his Bible down and he of went out in a words and you know he heard voices telling him where to find the golden plates that's the kind of danger that can happen by leaving the safe Harbor of scripture