Have any of you seem the meltdown among Muslims now about Quran?

[JesusFan1]

As there past Month has shown to the world that the Quaran was not a Book directly from heaven and God, but man made and revised and edited for hundreds of years?

And there is also much doubt that the prophet Muhammad himself even existed as a real historical figure!

 

[marks]

As there past Month has shown to the world that the Quaran was not a Book directly from heaven and God, but man made and revised and edited for hundreds of years?

And there is also much doubt that the prophet Muhammad himself even existed as a real historical figure!

I haven't heard anything of this, can you say more?

Much love!

 

[Helen]

I haven't heard anything of this, can you say more?

Much love!

Agree, I too was interested , but to silly to ask for more info..good idea lol
Why didn't I think of that!

 

[JesusFan1]

I'm always interested in religious history. What are the specifics that have been learned about the Koran? Revisions and editing are not necessarily problematic (i.e., the final passages of Mark's gospel have admittedly been edited, too).

They have learned that there are now 37 distinct Arabic versions of the Quran, that the earliest one can only be dated to 705. and that the earliest 6 differ from each other in some 4000 variants!
remember that Islam claims came form their prophet, redone in 652 AD, and that perfect text went out to the 9 regions of that time. problem, is that we have NONE of them from time of their prophet, not even in 7 century!
The Quran has 114 chapters, and none of the earliest have close to that, all incomplete!

 

[JesusFan1]

I haven't heard anything of this, can you say more?

Much love!

This is causing a complte meltdown in Islamic circles!

 

[JesusFan1]

Agree, I too was interested , but to silly to ask for more info..good idea lol
Why didn't I think of that!

best source is on the Cira website, and one by Dr Jay Smith!

 

[Helen]

best source is on the Cira website, and one by Dr Jay Smith!

Thanks

 

[Nancy]

How silly really, did those who changed all these "versions" not think the others would notice?? The Quran only a little over 600 pages, written by ONE MAN over a period of 23 or so years. Hmm.

 

[JesusFan1]

How silly really, did those who changed all these "versions" not think the others would notice?? The Quran only a little over 600 pages, written by ONE MAN over a period of 23 or so years. Hmm.

We now can prove from historical accounts that Muhammed did not write ANY of it, and that the Quran was not in the final real form until 300 years after he died!

 

[JesusFan1]

I haven't heard anything of this, can you say more?

Much love!

Muslims claim was inerrant and complete 652 AD, but there are NONE found at all before 705, and those were incomplete!

 

[Nancy]

We now can prove from historical accounts that Muhammed did not write ANY of it, and that the Quran was not in the final real form until 300 years after he died![/QUOTE

I wonder, do the Muslims even care? I cannot believe they will own up to the proven historical accounts. Maybe this will move them closer to the Truth of Christ?

 

[JesusFan1]

Think that the real debate is now in their camp, between western Muslims who have known for years issues and problems in the history of the Quaran, and Middle east Muslims who just accept its the eternal word of Allah period!

 

[Nancy]

Think that the real debate is now in their camp, between western Muslims who have known for years issues and problems in the history of the Quaran, and Middle east Muslims who just accept its the eternal word of Allah period!

Agreed. I think the debate always has been in their camp. They too are splintered.

 

[Yan]

Moslem was the Babylonians religion, that's why they worship Ba'al as their gods. Philistine/Palestine was the kingdom which follow Nimrod who worship those fallen angel (Azazil, Ananel/Ba'al, etc). No wonder Koran was written from Babylonians Law of Hammurabi, Talmud, Torah, and Sufism of Kabbalah.
Even the Ka'baa itself was the gigantic form of Tefillin of Kabbalah.
Kabbalah itself was the religion of the old serpent who tempted Adam & Eve, inside Kabbalah teaching there are a tree of life & tree of knowledge good & evil which now have been used in all philosophy science.
So, from this reality moslem should be aware did they following God of Abraham or gods of the fallen angels.

 

[JesusFan1]

Agreed. I think the debate always has been in their camp. They too are splintered.

The Muslims have always just accepted blindly that the Quran was eternal, and was never changed, but now historical facts causing them division and doubt! Their Book is just getting now the very treatment our Bible did past 200 years in regards to textual and historical criticism!

 

[JesusFan1]

Moslem was the Babylonians religion, that's why they worship Ba'al as their gods. Philistine/Palestine was the kingdom which follow Nimrod who worship those fallen angel (Azazil, Ananel/Ba'al, etc). No wonder Koran was written from Babylonians Law of Hammurabi, Talmud, Torah, and Sufism of Kabbalah.
Even the Ka'baa itself was the gigantic form of Tefillin of Kabbalah.
Kabbalah itself was the religion of the old serpent who tempted Adam & Eve, inside Kabbalah teaching there are a tree of life & tree of knowledge good & evil which now have been used in all philosophy science.
So, from this reality moslem should be aware did they following God of Abraham or gods of the fallen angels.

their language and theology was inherited from the people North, who were pagans, and the Quaran is basically a re borrowing of OT Apocrypha and NT Gnostic and sectarian literature!

 

[Nancy]

The Muslims have always just accepted blindly that the Quran was eternal, and was never changed, but now historical facts causing them division and doubt! Their Book is just getting now the very treatment our Bible did past 200 years in regards to textual and historical criticism!

How interesting...I have to wonder if many of them will allow themselves to see the truth of it all, and that it is not the Quran. I once read that all budding Muslims were to memorize the Koran, not sure if that was only during the inception of the religion but, it lasted for quite awhile. Either way, it is not the Word Of God...

 

[JesusFan1]

How interesting...I have to wonder if many of them will allow themselves to see the truth of it all, and that it is not the Quran. I once read that all budding Muslims were to memorize the Koran, not sure if that was only during the inception of the religion but, it lasted for quite awhile. Either way, it is not the Word Of God...

There does seem to be a moving by God among them as never before!

 

[Yan]

How interesting...I have to wonder if many of them will allow themselves to see the truth of it all, and that it is not the Quran. I once read that all budding Muslims were to memorize the Koran, not sure if that was only during the inception of the religion but, it lasted for quite awhile. Either way, it is not the Word Of God...

They were doing it (memorize the Koran) only to learn how to sing the chants. Just like jewish was also singing Torah as a chants but they were never studying what inside the text contained in their singing.
I have a notice a few moslem here they were never understand the arabian text that they sing in chants. This man made rituals was made God mad in Isaiah 29:9-16, because they only do this ritual as told but they never seek God in the spiritual realm and 10 commandments of Moses was not in their main concern.
In catholic singing chants only for Psalms as David had wrote the psalms and sing this chants to God (Psalms 3 - Psalms 9).

Chants in jewish :
- Who Made Up the Way We Sing the Torah?

 

[Nancy]

They were doing it (memorize the Koran) only to learn how to sing the chants. Just like jewish was also singing Torah as a chants but they were never studying what inside the text contained in their singing.
I have a notice a few moslem here they were never understand the arabian text that they sing in chants. This man made rituals was made God mad in Isaiah 29:9-16, because they only do this ritual as told but they never seek God in the spiritual realm and 10 commandments of Moses was not in their main concern.
In catholic singing chants only for Psalms as David had wrote the psalms and sing this chants to God (Psalms 3 - Psalms 9).

Chants in jewish :
- Who Made Up the Way We Sing the Torah?

This is big. Do you know how this all came about? I looked up Dr. Jay Smith but have not listened to his videos yet, and when I put in CIRA, I get all kinds of hits about things not pertaining to this subject