That is the question, isn't it? How could Israel be given the law because of transgressions if there was no law?
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
The Purpose of the Law
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Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
CharismaticLady
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The doesn't mean there was no wickedness. That was the reason for the flood, to wipe out the demonic race. The only purebloods were the eight on the ark. But after the flood there were more fallen angels making nations. Now God had the Israelites wipe those nations out, like Goliath
So what is the difference between sin, transgression and wickedness?
And why would God punish people before a law had been given?
CharismaticLady
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The first eight chapters of Romans is Paul's teaching on sin and how God dealt with it under the two different covenants, until sin could finally be dealt with through Jesus in the New Covenant. You are putting all your focus on the middle chapters and the Old Covenant for some reason, but in doing so, you are missing the importance of the New Covenant and that we are no longer under the law, but under the law of the Spirit.
Do yourself a favor and study all the scriptures I gave you. Plus Romans 8:1-9 Good night, brother.
Some Biblical Truths in regard to The Law that you don’t hear everyday.....especially in the typical Church......
Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)
1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)
2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)
The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)
Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)
Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)
1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)
1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)
2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)
The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)
Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)
Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)
1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
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? Demonic race?? Noah and his family purebloods??? Fallen angels making Nations????? Seriously??
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Like I asked earlier... Which law??? The reason I ask is because Christians like you who go about determined to undermine and cat the law away into oblivion better be darned sure they know which law they are talking about. You mentioned that the law is holy, just, and good. Yet throughout most of the rest of your post you were trampling it as far as you could possibly press down on it into the mud. You need to think very clearly about what law you are referencing in each of the above scriptures. Trampling underfoot something that is holy, just, and good isn't all that advisable. I don't recommend it.
Where are they trampling the Law underfoot, would you prefer they trample grace underfoot instead,,or would you rather they claim to do something that no man can do and make a mockery of God and Christ.
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Precisely the point. There was wickedness. There was sin. Before the flood....
KJV Genesis 6
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
So if there is a situation where there is no law, then God would not hold men accountable for their wickedness. But God does hold that entire population accountable... Because they transgressed the law. The reason is.. what law? You people who seem to be so determined to do away with the law, become very confused and virtually illiterate when trying to explain what law and whose law it is.
And why is it you come here and insist that "you" put yokes around mens necks,
Act_15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
you know what Christ said,
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
If you aren't right, I don't see any way to resolve what appears to be a glaring contradiction in the two passages from Paul. He uses the same word "transgression" in both verses -- so we can't wiggle out of it by trying to come up with new definitions of words.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
God's Law -- the True Law -- the Law of Light, the Law of Love -- is eternal, has never changed and never shall. God did not need the Law of Moses to inform Cain that murder was a sin. Cain knew what sin was without the written laws. It was true before Moses wrote down the 613 laws. God warned him that sin was at the door; and if our consciences have not been singed, God can speak to us too. If our consciences are singed because of having hard hearts, written laws can be useful. Those written laws were given through Moses because Israel transgressed the Eternal Law of Light and had hardened their hearts.
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I told you "what law." The Ten Commandments and all the other laws of the Old Covenant. You seem to think NOTHING replaced them. That I believe we are lawless. NO. The Old laws could not make anyone actually righteous. But the New Covenant laws written on our hearts can and DO.
So you who favor the Old, what are the New Covenant laws? Do you even know?
Paul said that the Law was good—— if you knew how to use it. How do we properly use it? Study it...realize it is impossible to keep it ....Take the “ Way Out” That God provided—- abandon keeping the Law for your Salvation....Instead, Trust the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 for your Salvation.....
CharismaticLady
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15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
What does it mean to you fully that Jesus died "for our sins"? What happens to sin in the life of a Christian?
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CharismaticLady
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"Great" hardly say's it though huh? I do not believe there is a human word or words to describe his awesomeness!
BTW-still waiting on your book...
I think you are focused too much on what Paul had to say without taking into account previous Scriptures. Does God demand the impossible?
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Was David mistaken here?
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
CharismaticLady
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I remember the feeling I had the moment I was freed from sin. I felt light as a feather and I couldn't stop smiling.
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