Salvation Through Baptism ???

[Joseph77]

Read 1st John.
In 1st John, God Says this is why it is written, so you can know.
(those who are born again by the Father's Will from Heaven)

 

[BreadOfLife]

My questions for you were:

So, perhaps then you can tell us, Noah was saved from what?

Tell us, how had water saved Noah?

It seems to me you can't answer those simple questions or perhaps don't want to.

Tong
R0862

Noah and his family's lives were saved THROUGH water because they were in the Ark.

Peter uses this reference to compare how their physical lives were saved through water - and how WE are spiritually saved through water (Baptism).
That's why He says "This prefigured Baptism which now SAVES you" (1 Pet. 3:21).
The Greek word used in 1 Pet. 3:20 is διασοζο (dee-as-odze'-o), which means "to bring safely THROUGH".

We're not saved BY the water of Baptism - but THROUGH it.
We are born again of water and Spirit (John 3:5).

Anything else?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Read 1st John.
In 1st John, God Says this is why it is written, so you can know.
(those who are born again by the Father's Will from Heaven)

Yup - this is the SAME John who wrote Jesus's response to Nicodemus's question about how a person is born again:
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

By the way - that's the SAME Jesus who said:
Mark 16:16
"Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

 

[Joseph77]

True - but when Cornelius and co were baptised in the Holy Spirit (note - before being baptised in water!), Peter didn't say, "well you don't need to be baptised in water now" but "we gotta get on and baptise you!" (Acts 10:47,48)

Yes, but whenever someone is joining a cult opposed to Jesus, they do not require nor say that immersion is necessary. Thus it is possible to see out in the open which ones are cults and which ones might not be.

 

[Mr C]

My questions for you were:

So, perhaps then you can tell us, Noah was saved from what?

Tell us, how had water saved Noah?

It seems to me you can't answer those simple questions or perhaps don't want to.

Tong
R0862

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

 

[Mr C]

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

The question is WHAT SAVED NOAH? (not water alone)

Nothing alone saves man.

 

[Illuminator]

So faith alone mainly began with Martin Luther in the 1500's and prior to that, nobody taught faith alone you say? Here are some quotes of men teaching faith alone prior to the 1500's.

Basil: "This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ."

Jerome: "When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not."

Chrysostom: "Again, they said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed, but he shows that he who adhered to faith alone, is blessed."

Bernard of Clairvaux: "Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who "justified the ungodly"; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God."

You need to understand that salvation through faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone does not mean that we are saved by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14-24) It means that we are saved the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

So much for following Luther, yet you still follow Campbell.

Without faith we cannot please God. That has been a Catholic teaching for 2000 years! Basil. Chrysostom, Bernard of Clairvaux used the words "faith alone", but that does not mean they taught faith apart from hope and love. Love is faith in action, not a warm fuzzy. That was the error of the so called reformers. If you mean "faith alone" fused with hope and love, then "faith alone" is perfectly acceptable to Catholics. Love demands action and obedience to all His commandments, not just empty intellectual ascent. James 2:24 and Galatians 5:6 demolishes the reformist "faith alone" doctrine, and many others as well.

 

[Joseph77]

The question is WHAT SAVED NOAH?

An ARK.

 

[Illuminator]

Spot the fake verse!

1 Corinthians 13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away everything I own, and if I give over my body in order to boast, but do not have love, I receive no benefit.

1 Corinthians 13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have faith alone, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have faith alone, I am nothing. 3 If I give away everything I own, and if I give over my body in order to boast, but do not have faith alone, I receive no benefit.

 

[Nancy]

Spot the fake verse!

1 Corinthians 13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away everything I own, and if I give over my body in order to boast, but do not have love, I receive no benefit.

1 Corinthians 13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have faith alone, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have faith alone, I am nothing. 3 If I give away everything I own, and if I give over my body in order to boast, but do not have faith alone, I receive no benefit.

Second one. too easy! lol

 

[Mr C]

An ARK.

Noah was Saved by water according to (1Peter 3:20,21).

That is, if you want God's word on the matter. (many do not)

 

[Joseph77]

Noah was Saved by water according to (1Peter 3:20,21).

That is, if you want God's word on the matter. (many do not)

Did Noah die in the flood with everyone else who died ?

 

[Mr C]

What saved Noah?

The grace of God (Gen. 6:8)

The instructions of God

Believing those instructions of God

Obeying all those instructions of God (Gen. 6:8,22).

8 souls were saved by Water (1Peter 3:20,21)

 

[Joseph77]

How many people and animals were saved by the ARK ?

 

[Joseph77]

"AMPC
God destroyed (blotted out) every living thing that was upon the face of the earth; man and animals and the creeping things and the birds of the heavens were destroyed (blotted out) from the land.

Only Noah remained alive, and those who were with him in the ark."

 

[Mr C]

Martin Luther Speaks on “Faith Only” and Baptism

by Kyle Butt, M.Div.

(excerpt)

While it is understood that the opinions of men are in no way authoritative when it comes to God’s plan for salvation, it is nonetheless interesting to note that Martin Luther believed wholeheartedly in the necessity of baptism as a requisite for salvation. In his Large Catechism, Luther wrote:

affirm that Baptism is no human trifle, but that it was established by God Himself. Moreover, He earnestly and solemnly commanded that we must be baptized or we shall not be saved. No one is to think that it is an optional matter like putting on a red coat. It is of greatest importance that we hold Baptism in high esteem as something splendid and glorious. The reason why we are striving and battling so strenuously for this view of Baptism is that the world nowadays is full of sects that loudly proclaim that Baptism is merely an external form and that external forms are useless.... Although Baptism is indeed performed by human hands, yet it is truly God’s own action (1978, pp. 98-99).


Read more here.

Martin Luther Speaks on “Faith Only” and Baptism

 

[Mr C]

"AMPC
God destroyed (blotted out) every living thing that was upon the face of the earth; man and animals and the creeping things and the birds of the heavens were destroyed (blotted out) from the land.

Only Noah remained alive, and those who were with him in the ark."

Not fish.

 

[Mr C]

Ge 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Fish do not breathe air.

 

[kcnalp]

Water baptism will not wash away your sins! To equate water baptism with the Blood of Jesus is heresy at its highest!

 

[Mr C]

Water baptism will not wash away your sins! To equate water baptism with the Blood of Jesus is heresy at its highest!

Who does that?