2 Chr. 34:19
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I Sure do...do you?@2 Chr. 34:19 I'm agreeing with the OP; I think you do, too...
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I Sure do...do you?@2 Chr. 34:19 I'm agreeing with the OP; I think you do, too...
Indeed@2 Chr. 34:19 Indeed.... The Deity of Christ is so Biblical, foundational...
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.So the word of God is not a person, but the expression of the spirit, which comes out of the spirit by speaking.
first thanks for the reply, second, no need to try to understand God's nature by human wisdom. for God has already given it to us in his Holy Word. scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." BINGOIf one tries to understand the nature of God by human wisdom or reasoning, I would say that would be a futile exercise. It's kind of trying to understand a miracle such as water turning into wine. When scriptures said that water turned to wine, the Christian don't have a problem believing it without much question. It's because the Christian have faith, that scriptures is God's words and is true. Why then if Jesus is revealed by scriptures to be God in the flesh, why not believe it in the same way as with the miracle wine? Why suddenly lose faith and question the truthfulness of the matter, and fall back, appealing to human wisdom and reasoning as though suddenly human wisdom and reasoning is what determines the truth?
Tong
R0922
Verse 20 sure tells us that the invisible things of God are clearly seen, understood by the things that are made. However, can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?first thanks for the reply, second, no need to try to understand God's nature by human wisdom. for God has already given it to us in his Holy Word. scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." BINGO
NOW LISTEN TO THE VERY NEXT VERSE,
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
so there is no excuse, as said, no need for man wisdom, God wisdom have already given it to us.
PICJAG
don't you believe the scriptures? Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"Verse 20 sure tells us that the invisible things of God are clearly seen, understood by the things that are made. However, can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
Tong
R0927
Of course I believe the scriptures. But what you believe is as much as what you understand. So, in your case, when you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?don't you believe the scriptures? Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
even his eternal power and Godhead? YES, even his eternal power and Godhead
so it's no excuse
PICJAG.
YES, for Adam who was MADE is "ANOTHER" of himself in the woman. just as "ANOTHER" Adam came from the first Adam, likewise God came from himself as he did the Last Adam. supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5.Of course I believe the scriptures. But what you believe is as much as what you understand. So, in your case, when you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
Tong
R0929
You did not answer the questions. Again:YES, for Adam who was MADE is "ANOTHER" of himself in the woman. just as "ANOTHER" Adam came from the first Adam, likewise God came from himself as he did the Last Adam. supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5.
understand, the term Adam means ... "ANOTHER" of one's own self. the Lord Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh. the ordinal First and Last. BINGO.
using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119
Adam and Eve is one of "ANOTHER"...
PICJAG.
first thanks for the reply, second, no, I answered, it's you didn't get it. you are looking at the things that are beside us. why not look at us?.You did not answer the questions. Again:
When you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God?
Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
Tong
R0930
You did not answer the questions. Again:
When you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God?
Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
Tong
R0930
My questions were coming from what you posted that is with reference to Romans 1:19-20.first thanks for the reply, second, no, I answered, it's you didn't get it. you are looking at the things that are beside us. why not look at us?.
but as I said before, maybe this is not for you right now.
PICJAG
Before I comment on this, please check out my post#34 to @tigger 2. You might not have been aware of it or could have missed it. Thanks..........................................
"As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us comprehend Him." - p. 3013, Vol. 4, The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (trinitarian), Eerdmans, 1984 printing.
"Scholars across the millennia of the Christian Era have spent their ingenuity to no avail in attempting to explain the Trinity of God .... a relationship contradicting human reason at the a priori level.” - p. 630, Today’s Dictionary of the Bible (trinitarian), Bethany House Publ., 1982.
"God is one, and God is three. Since there is nothing like this in creation, we cannot understand it, but only accept it.” - Monsignor Eugene Clark (trinitarian).
“... he that denies this fundamental article [the trinity doctrine] of the Christian religion may lose his soul, so he that much strives to understand it may lose his wits.” - Dr. South (Sermon XLIII) as quoted by Dr. W. G. T. Shedd (trinitarian) in his Dogmatic Theology.
Well, then, what has man clearly seen in creation from the beginning?
We see unlimited POWER. We see LOVE. We see incredible WISDOM, etc. And what do we see when we examine the “numerical” qualities of the most important features of creation from man's standpoint from his beginning?
We see a single universe. A single earth. A single Sun. A single Moon. Man was created as a single man (Adam). And more recently man has seen that even the very building block of the universe (a single element), the hydrogen atom, is composed of one tiny electron orbiting one relatively enormous proton.
The significant testimony of creation itself is singleness, one!
You only see those as triune things now because you already know the triune concept and your bias to it. But before your having that knowledge, such things aren't as you see them as triune, is it not?There are many triune things in creation:
space, time, and matter.
protons, neutrons, and electrons.
solid, liquid, gas.
The white, the yolk, and the shell of an egg.
The shamrock.
father, mother, and child.
I think that there are probably many more things like this.
Those things would more represent the difference between God and satan rather than the members of the Trinity.You only see those as triune things now because you already know the triune concept and your bias to it. But before your having that knowledge, such things aren't as you see them as triune, is it not?
The binitarian could also say, there are many things seen in creation such as:
positive - negative
true - false
good - bad
big - small
tall - short
Tong
R0933
Yes, you are right, for the true - false and good - bad. My bad. Perhaps husband-wife; male-female.Those things would more represent the difference between God and satan rather than the members of the Trinity.
With male-female-children, it indicates how there can be a multiplicity in one. One family in three persons...Yes, you are right, for the true - false and good - bad. My bad. Perhaps husband-wife; male-female.
Tong
R0934
Perhaps. We could only but surmise on that matter.With male-female-children, it indicates how there can be a multiplicity in one. One family in three persons...