2 Chr. 34:19
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I Sure do...do you?@2 Chr. 34:19 I'm agreeing with the OP; I think you do, too...
Jesus is God in the Flesh!!
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2 Chr. 34:19
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Indeed@2 Chr. 34:19 Indeed....
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Was apostle John talking about a person or an expression of the spirit?
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
Was apostle John talking about a person or an expression of the spirit? Was the prophet John the baptist witnessing about a person or an expression of the spirit?
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Was apostle John talking about a person or an expression of the spirit?
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Was apostle John talking about a person or an expression of the spirit?
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
Was the prophet John the baptist witnessing about a person or an expression of the spirit?
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Was apostle John talking about a person or an expression of the spirit?
Make no mistake, the Word that the two Johns here testifies to is a person.
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101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, no need to try to understand God's nature by human wisdom. for God has already given it to us in his Holy Word. scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." BINGO
NOW LISTEN TO THE VERY NEXT VERSE,
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
so there is no excuse, as said, no need for man wisdom, God wisdom have already given it to us.
PICJAG
Verse 20 sure tells us that the invisible things of God are clearly seen, understood by the things that are made. However, can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can it be seen and understood by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
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101G
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don't you believe the scriptures? Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
even his eternal power and Godhead? YES, even his eternal power and Godhead
so it's no excuse
PICJAG.
Of course I believe the scriptures. But what you believe is as much as what you understand. So, in your case, when you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God? Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
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101G
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YES, for Adam who was MADE is "ANOTHER" of himself in the woman. just as "ANOTHER" Adam came from the first Adam, likewise God came from himself as he did the Last Adam. supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5.
understand, the term Adam means ... "ANOTHER" of one's own self. the Lord Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh. the ordinal First and Last. BINGO.
using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119
Adam and Eve is one of "ANOTHER"...
PICJAG.
You did not answer the questions. Again:YES, for Adam who was MADE is "ANOTHER" of himself in the woman. just as "ANOTHER" Adam came from the first Adam, likewise God came from himself as he did the Last Adam. supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5.
understand, the term Adam means ... "ANOTHER" of one's own self. the Lord Jesus is the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh. the ordinal First and Last. BINGO.
using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119
Adam and Eve is one of "ANOTHER"...
PICJAG.
When you look at creation, can you see and understand by the things that are made, that there is only one God?
Can you see and understand by the things that are made, whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not?
Tong
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101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, no, I answered, it's you didn't get it. you are looking at the things that are beside us. why not look at us?.
but as I said before, maybe this is not for you right now.
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tigger 2
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"As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us comprehend Him." - p. 3013, Vol. 4, The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (trinitarian), Eerdmans, 1984 printing.
"Scholars across the millennia of the Christian Era have spent their ingenuity to no avail in attempting to explain the Trinity of God .... a relationship contradicting human reason at the a priori level.” - p. 630, Today’s Dictionary of the Bible (trinitarian), Bethany House Publ., 1982.
"God is one, and God is three. Since there is nothing like this in creation, we cannot understand it, but only accept it.” - Monsignor Eugene Clark (trinitarian).
“... he that denies this fundamental article [the trinity doctrine] of the Christian religion may lose his soul, so he that much strives to understand it may lose his wits.” - Dr. South (Sermon XLIII) as quoted by Dr. W. G. T. Shedd (trinitarian) in his Dogmatic Theology.
Well, then, what has man clearly seen in creation from the beginning?
We see unlimited POWER. We see LOVE. We see incredible WISDOM, etc. And what do we see when we examine the “numerical” qualities of the most important features of creation from man's standpoint from his beginning?
We see a single universe. A single earth. A single Sun. A single Moon. Man was created as a single man (Adam). And more recently man has seen that even the very building block of the universe (a single element), the hydrogen atom, is composed of one tiny electron orbiting one relatively enormous proton.
The significant testimony of creation itself is singleness, one!
There are many triune things in creation:
space, time, and matter.
protons, neutrons, and electrons.
solid, liquid, gas.
The white, the yolk, and the shell of an egg.
The shamrock.
father, mother, and child.
I think that there are probably many more things like this.
space, time, and matter.
protons, neutrons, and electrons.
solid, liquid, gas.
The white, the yolk, and the shell of an egg.
The shamrock.
father, mother, and child.
I think that there are probably many more things like this.
My questions were coming from what you posted that is with reference to Romans 1:19-20.
But it seems like you want to hide behind the "maybe this is not for you right now" excuse. Or is it because you can't explain what it is that you say is not for me right now? Yet the questions are very simple. I asked them to a number of people and I haven't met one who was not able to answer them. They have a common answer, that is, NO to both questions.
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Before I comment on this, please check out my post#34 to @tigger 2. You might not have been aware of it or could have missed it. Thanks.
Romans 1:19-20 concerns and refers to all men. Paul said, God's invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, by all, that no one had excuse that they could not have any knowledge of God, the Creator. And that is true even since the creation of the world, even in ancient times when the method and advances of science was not yet.
Whether there is only one God, and whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not, however, can't be seen and understood by the things that are made, until revelation concerning it was given by God to man.
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You only see those as triune things now because you already know the triune concept and your bias to it. But before your having that knowledge, such things aren't as you see them as triune, is it not?
The binitarian could also say, there are many things seen in creation such as:
positive - negative
true - false
good - bad
big - small
tall - short
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Those things would more represent the difference between God and satan rather than the members of the Trinity.
Yes, you are right, for the true - false and good - bad. My bad. Perhaps husband-wife; male-female.
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With male-female-children, it indicates how there can be a multiplicity in one. One family in three persons...
Perhaps. We could only but surmise on that matter.
The point remains, whether there is only one God, and whether God is triune or not, unity or not, binity or not, however, can't be seen and understood by the things that are made, until revelation concerning it was given by God to man.
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