Shall we discuss this?

[101G]

Jesus is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, because he is one with the Father and the spirit. You apparently want to slice him into two Jesus'.

see, you have mud in your eyes. JESUS is Father and Son who is the Same one Person. did you not know what "WITH" means in being the First "WITH" the Last? I guess you don't. but just in case, I'll ask

so Renniks, do you know what "WITH" means when is comes to God being both the "FIRST" and the "LAST?".... do you?

is so please tell us.

PICJAG.

 

[kcnalp]

How can God not be with Himself?

 

[101G]

How can God not be with Himself?

ok, lets get this MUD out of your eyes. listen,

Scripture #1. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that term "WITH" here? it seems like it's two persons correct....... WRONG.

Scripture #2. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

do you see now that the MUD is out? the First is "ALSO" the Last the same one Person... ALSO means in addition too , the "first" is the "last". just as the Word in John 1:1 was "WITH" God is God, meaning he the word is God. see your error now? are you going to believe the bible, God's Holy Word? your choice....

PICJAG.

 

[Renniks]

see, you have mud in your eyes. JESUS is Father and Son who is the Same one Person. did you not know what "WITH" means in being the First "WITH" the Last? I guess you don't. but just in case, I'll ask

ok, lets get this MUD out of your eyes. listen,

Scripture #1. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that term "WITH" here? it seems like it's two persons correct....... WRONG.

Scripture #2. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

do you see now that the MUD is out? the First is "ALSO" the Last the same one Person... ALSO means in addition too , the "first" is the "last". just as the Word in John 1:1 was "WITH" God is God, meaning he the word is God. see your error now? are you going to believe the bible, God's Holy Word? your choice....

PICJAG.

so Renniks, do you know what "WITH" means when is comes to God being both the "FIRST" and the "LAST?".... do you?

is so please tell us.

PICJAG.

Still doesn't make sense.
Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”

Three persons, one God.

 

[Taken]

Wait, God "thought" everything into existence in Gen 1?

It is apparent you do not Listen.

A thought is Idea, Will, plan...
His Word speaks forth His Will...
His Power effects His Will.

Clearly you did not Listen OR Comprehend
Gods:
Will,(God)
Word, (Lord)
Power (Mighty Holy Spirit)
...IS the Whole of God...involved in Everything He Creates and Makes.

Rev 4:[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Stop pushing your own Truth, and Accept The Holy, holy, holy Truth of the ONE;
Lord God Almighty...
Which was, and is, and is to come.

He CAN "MAKE" you (an Already CREATED existing person) Acceptable (to Him) To BE "MADE" in His Likeness and Image.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[kcnalp]

ok, lets get this MUD out of your eyes. listen,

Scripture #1. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that term "WITH" here? it seems like it's two persons correct....... WRONG.

Scripture #2. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

do you see now that the MUD is out? the First is "ALSO" the Last the same one Person... ALSO means in addition too , the "first" is the "last". just as the Word in John 1:1 was "WITH" God is God, meaning he the word is God. see your error now? are you going to believe the bible, God's Holy Word? your choice....

PICJAG.

And if we keep reading we indeed find that Jesus is God.

Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.
....
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.

Yes, Jesus is indeed God the Creator.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

Are you JW?

 

[101G]

And if we keep reading we indeed find that Jesus is God.

Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.
....
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.

Yes, Jesus is indeed God the Creator.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

Are you JW?

NO

PICJAG

 

[kcnalp]

NO

PICJAG

Do you also deny the eternal Hell fire where the wicked will be tormented "day and night forever and ever"?

 

[101G]

Do you also deny the eternal Hell fire where the wicked will be tormented "day and night forever and ever"?

first thanks for the reply, second, no, for the lake of fire will take care of death and "HELL". supportive scripture, Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Hell is not one's main concerns. for all things are made NEW, all thing means just that "ALL THINGS".

Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
Revelation 21:7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

that second death, lets check the record. Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." so the SOUL survive the FIRST, (NATURAL DEATH), but not the second DEATH.

it is the Soul that perceive. and if destroyed, (FULLY), then NOTHING... (no sight, pain, feeling... ect, NOTHING, no existence) .... no memory of or about.

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

Jesus was and is the Word. He wasn't spoken into existence. He spoke everything else into existence.

No, God spoke Jesus into existence in verse 14.

Divine Spirit is not, nor will ever become flesh.

Jesus described God as a Spirit in John 4:24, which incarnationists disagree with.

 

[Truther]

How many God's do you believe in?

Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Here is how many Gods there are....


5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


....and a man that was made an omnipresent quickening human spirit that this ONE GOD fully indwells bodily.

 

[Truther]

God was manifest in the flesh. Doesn't your KJV tell you that? Have you read your beloved KJV?

Question regarding the verse....

Was God manifested in the flesh of Jesus?

Or, was God manifested INTO flesh?

 

[Truther]

What makes the KJV special? It was not even the first English version.

50 translators that are ancient, which used the election process to translate, which came to a consensus.

That would be impossible to pull off today.

 

[Truther]

Trump was MADE President.
Are you trying to Teach, he did not Exist, before he WAS MADE President?

Jesus IS the Word of God.
He was MADE to Appear in the Likeness as An EARTHLY MAN...for Earthly men To SEE Him.

What would be an Earthly man's Benefit Had The Word of God been MADE to Appear AS an Angel?

Angel's ARE spirits...Can you See spirits?

Angel's HAVE great Powers...Do you have the same Great Power's as an Angel?

God SENT His Word To Earth...in a Fashion Earthly men Could SEE and Hear.

God SENT His Word To Earth...Without Great Powers.

Get it?

Glory to God,
Taken

Question....

How big(what size) was God made flesh originally?

#1..microscopic?

#2...fully developed fetus?

#3...instant baby size?

#4...full grown man?

I ask this question because you say God became a man, so I am not sure what God originally became before becoming a man.

 

[Truther]

It is apparent you do not Listen.

A thought is Idea, Will, plan...
His Word speaks forth His Will...
His Power effects His Will.

Clearly you did not Listen OR Comprehend
Gods:
Will,(God)
Word, (Lord)
Power (Mighty Holy Spirit)
...IS the Whole of God...involved in Everything He Creates and Makes.

Rev 4:[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Stop pushing your own Truth, and Accept The Holy, holy, holy Truth of the ONE;
Lord God Almighty...
Which was, and is, and is to come.

He CAN "MAKE" you (an Already CREATED existing person) Acceptable (to Him) To BE "MADE" in His Likeness and Image.

Glory to God,
Taken

The fact is, God made everything via His SPOKEN word.

This is the creative act of God.

If God thinks, he speaks too.

He has a big voice in the creation process, especially in speaking Jesus into a microscopic existence in the womb of Mary per Matt 1.

 

[Renniks]

No, God spoke Jesus into existence in verse 14.

Divine Spirit is not, nor will ever become flesh.

Jesus described God as a Spirit in John 4:24, which incarnationists disagree with.

Nonsense.. long before we get to verse 14:

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

All things can not include Jesus. He made all, there fore he was not " made". He was not a created thing.

 

[Taken]

Question....

How big(what size) was God made flesh originally?

#1..microscopic?

#2...fully developed fetus?

#3...instant baby size?

#4...full grown man?

I ask this question because you say God became a man,

No. I did NOT say that.
If I had, you could have quoted me,
Instead of speaking for me.

so I am not sure what God originally became before becoming a man.

Do not expect an answer from me about something I did not say.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The fact is, God made everything via His SPOKEN word.

This is the creative act of God.

If God thinks, he speaks too.

He has a big voice in the creation process, especially in speaking Jesus into a microscopic existence in the womb of Mary per Matt 1.

The Facts have already been Revealed:
Gods Thought/Idea/will...that is Spoken ...IS Effected By His Power ...
All three Aspects...Create and Make...BY God,
For His Glory.

And BTW...God knows all things...and NO...God has Not Revealed All of His Knowledge....merely because He is able to speak.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Renniks]

Question....

How big(what size) was God made flesh originally?

#1..microscopic?

#2...fully developed fetus?

#3...instant baby size?

#4...full grown man?

I ask this question because you say God became a man, so I am not sure what God originally became before becoming a man.

Why would you assume Jesus' flesh did not form in the same way as any other baby forms in the womb?

 

[kcnalp]

first thanks for the reply, second, no, for the lake of fire will take care of death and "HELL". supportive scripture, Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Hell is not one's main concerns. for all things are made NEW, all thing means just that "ALL THINGS".

I beg to differ. Those who spend eternity in the worst prison ever with the worst beings who ever lived, that will be their main concern.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
Revelation 21:7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

that second death, lets check the record. Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." so the SOUL survive the FIRST, (NATURAL DEATH), but not the second DEATH.

it is the Soul that perceive. and if destroyed, (FULLY), then NOTHING... (no sight, pain, feeling... ect, NOTHING, no existence) .... no memory of or about.

PICJAG.

Guess you missed this part.

Rev 21 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.