The Decoy Gospel

[CharismaticLady]

It's what they NEED to hear. They need to twist the truth in order to cover up their sins. So they point the finger at others...even as you try to help these understand the way of Christ which is a victory over sin.

So you are hated for loving people. The flesh is very bitter and hateful. No love there at all.

The flesh is about preserving itself. And since God's way is a salvation that is AWAY from the flesh...the flesh will react in a bid for self-preservation.

And this kind of understanding goes way over the head of they who have been superficially taught...in error...by superficial ministries that are after numbers and money.

I don't know about money and numbers, don't forget this started 500 years ago. But they sure are popular to itching ears.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You are the one with false doctrine on this forum. Thoroughly confused and seeking to confuse others. You claim to be sinlessly perfect, but the minute you mislead someone, you have already sinned.

No, if you recall, there is a difference between sinless and perfect. By His Word, I know how to maintain sinlessness, but perfection is a life-long process of Glorification. 2 Peter 1:5-7

I teach the truth of His Word, by teaching what the Author means through the Spirit of Truth. From the scriptures you quote, that is not the case with you. God is a holy God, and to be a child of His, we must be like Him. No sinner that thinks their sins are covered will be with Him in eternity. Those who have no Christ endowed power over sin will be there, only the righteous and holy. Rev. 22:11

 

[Episkopos]

You are the one with false doctrine on this forum. Thoroughly confused and seeking to confuse others. You claim to be sinlessly perfect, but the minute you mislead someone, you have already sinned.

You are in denial. You operate only in your own strength with the moral code you have inherited from Adam. And this imprinted morality based on human failure causes you the following/

Denial of the perfection of Christ available to people of faith.
Denial of His gift of grace that causes us to be as He is in the world
Denial that anyone could possibly help you or teach you something you don't already know.
Denial of the power of the Spirit.
Denial of the resurrection life that is available by faith.
Denial of the high calling in Christ.
Denial of the overcoming power over sin that gives us the victory
Denial that we can walk as Jesus walked by abiding in Him.

And that is the testimony of ALL people who walk by sight rather than by faith. (regardless of what they claim for themselves)

 

[mailmandan]

All we see in your posts in Gnostic blather. Where are the Scriptures?

Here is a good example of your ignorance about the doctrine of justification by grace through faith:There is also a heresy that states that we are already perfect "positionally" even as we sin. And this is a very grievous heresy.

When someone calls God's truth "heresy" and "a very grievous heresy", then one can be sure that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

So what does the Bible say about justification by grace through faith? What is says is that GOD IMPUTES THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST to the one who believes on Him. Therefore we are indeed positionally perfect -- as righteous as Christ -- because the metaphorical and spiritual *robe* of His righteousness is placed over the sinner. I will post just one verse to confirm this: For He [God the Father] hath made Him [Christ] to be SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:21)

The meaning should be clear and plain to anyone who reads this. God is telling the saints that they are as righteous as God because they are in Christ. Now this may sound shocking and preposterous, but IT IS GOD'S TRUTH.

Now go and study the epistle to the Romans, before you commit any more blunders, and mislead people with your manufactured theology.

As to your canard about "even as we sin" that is a false accusation. Here is what the grace of God means to the believers (Titus 2:11-13):

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Did you get that? Justification is not a license to sin, as you have claimed.

Amen brother and well said! It’s always so nice to see when others get it. :)

Acts 20:28 - Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.

 

[Truman]

We overcome with the Blood Of The Lamb (His cross), the word of our testimony, and we do not love our lives to the death (our cross).
I think it all comes down to this: if you choose the blue pill, you'll go live your life out as you are for the rest of your life. Choose the red pill and your eyes will see the truth of what I am saying. You will learn that the way of the cross, which includes Christ's cross and your cross, is a path that includes suffering. You will learn that the truth will make you miserable and then it will set you free. You will become an overcomer. You will start ministering deliverance in Jesus' name. This is the way that God has led me. Make of it what you will. Shalom.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Amen brother and well said! It’s always so nice to see when others get it. :)

Acts 20:28 - Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.

And @Enoch111

Hey guys, please help me understand what you have against what I believe by first putting in your own words what it is you think I believe, and WHY I believe it. Use my scriptures. Thanks. To me it is just odd that you two, among others don't comprehend the POWER of the blood of Jesus.

 

[mjrhealth]

That is not what he is saying at all. But I've read what you believe, and frankly, it is exactly what he is talking about. We turn to Christ BECAUSE we know we are weak and can never be the required keeper of God's law of Love. Christ steps in to make us righteous, not to cover our sins while we have no power over them, but to give us His all-powerful Spirit to change our nature to one who loves righteousness, and does not sin. Jesus gives us His power, there is nothing we can do by ourselves. Understand?

You have no idea of what Grace is do you, really. We are righteous because of Him, that is How God sees us, because of Him, you want your own righteousness, and that will not happen. Not till

In the twinkling of an eye we will all be changed, untill that day you are the same as every one else, who only have Christ to boast of, not self.

 

[mjrhealth]

We overcome with the Blood Of The Lamb (His cross), the word of our testimony, and we do not love our lives to the death (our cross).
I think it all comes down to this: if you choose the blue pill, you'll go live your life out as you are for the rest of your life. Choose the red pill and your eyes will see the truth of what I am saying. You will learn that the way of the cross, which includes Christ's cross and your cross, is a path that includes suffering. You will learn that the truth will make you miserable and then it will set you free. You will become an overcomer. You will start ministering deliverance in Jesus' name. This is the way that God has led me. Make of it what you will. Shalom.

Ye its a hard walk, can only be done with Christ

 

[mjrhealth]

It's what they NEED to hear. They need to twist the truth in order to cover up their sins. So they point the finger at others...even as you try to help these understand the way of Christ which is a victory over sin.

So you are hated for loving people. The flesh is very bitter and hateful. No love there at all.

The flesh is about preserving itself. And since God's way is a salvation that is AWAY from the flesh...the flesh will react in a bid for self-preservation.

And this kind of understanding goes way over the head of they who have been superficially taught...in error...by superficial ministries that are after numbers and money.

Loving people, condemning people who are not like to you is not love. When one gives there life to Jesus and believe, it is enough for Him and God, it is men who continually add more burdens to men, to fill them with guilt, and that is not from God, for you lot men will never be good enough unless they walk as you claim, for Christ and God it is good enough for them to believe. satan love to condemn men, and so many love helping him.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have no idea of what Grace is do you, really. We are righteous because of Him, that is How God sees us, because of Him, you want your own righteousness, and that will not happen. Not till

In the twinkling of an eye we will all be changed, untill that day you are the same as every one else, who only have Christ to boast of, not self.

No. That is talking about our BODY that will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, to match our immortal spirit that came alive when we were born again, when we were filled with the Spirit of Christ. Don't you know the difference?

 

[mjrhealth]

No. That is talking about our BODY that will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, to match our immortal spirit that came alive when we were born again, when we were filled with the Spirit of Christ. Don't you know the difference?

Yep thats when we all be changed, till than you are as human as they come. But please keep adding burdens to people, I can see --'Hey I just gave my life to Christ" sorry that will not do, now you have to behave yourself, because that is not good enough for me." you really do not understand grace one bit. Its a good thing its how you too will be saved.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yep thats when we all be changed, till than you are as human as they come. But please keep adding burdens to people, I can see --'Hey I just gave my life to Christ" sorry that will not do, now you have to behave yourself, because that is not good enough for me." you really do not understand grace one bit. Its a good thing its how you too will be saved.

That is exactly what you can't see. There is no burden. Have you ever experienced being born again, where your whole sinful nature is transformed instantly?

 

[Truman]

Ye its a hard walk, can only be done with Christ

You got that right, man.

 

[Heart2Soul]

We overcome with the Blood Of The Lamb (His cross), the word of our testimony, and we do not love our lives to the death (our cross).
I think it all comes down to this: if you choose the blue pill, you'll go live your life out as you are for the rest of your life. Choose the red pill and your eyes will see the truth of what I am saying. You will learn that the way of the cross, which includes Christ's cross and your cross, is a path that includes suffering. You will learn that the truth will make you miserable and then it will set you free. You will become an overcomer. You will start ministering deliverance in Jesus' name. This is the way that God has led me. Make of it what you will. Shalom.

Well said! And you are spot on!

 

[mjrhealth]

That is exactly what you can't see. There is no burden. Have you ever experienced being born again, where your whole sinful nature is transformed instantly?

Oh get off your high horse, and sorry that is a lie, for the very few minorty it can be but very rarely lasts., religion and teh bible will see to that. and you know that full well. Christ did a way with the consequence of Sin, and because of that we have no burden because He carried it for us. It is "you" demanding perfection, you have no idea of what you speak. You are no better or worse than any other christian, Christ didnt die so we could be like you.

 

[mjrhealth]

No sinner that thinks their sins are covered will be with Him in eternity.

So filled with condemnation, is sin all you know about. You have made grace into a works, you have taken that what if from God and made it into something from men, twisted the truth to serve your purpose, and condemn everyone who is not as you claim to be. If you knew Christ as you say you do, you would know that none of this is from Him or God, when judgment comes you will see,

 

[marksman]

I read all your posts on page one in one reading and as I did I could see you standing at the lectern in Bible College giving your first lecture in a series about the church.

Now to read page two for the second lecture. I like the serious stuff.

 

[Taken]

If a person wishes to remain honest and un-deceived in regards to salvation and the gospel..there are a few questions one should ask oneself.

1. Does the bible EVER sanction self-justification? Ever?

The Bible is a Book of "Knowledge", God sanctioned for mankind's Benefit.

The INK and PAPER Book, (Agree) possesses no Power to do "anything" of its own.

It is the Knowledge "on" the pages of paper in ink, intended to Reveal the Knowledge of the LIFE of God, His Statutes, His Laws, His Precepts, His Truth, His Order, His Way ...

AND

HIS "Offering" FOR: any desiring and Willing man to Freely Choose
TO Become "MADE" Perfected in Gods Likeness.

The "How To" Knowledge- for any man, is Revealed in the Bible...
In the scenario ...

OF...

"IF"..."THEN"

"IF" a man DOES ... what is described

"THEN" The Lord God... Will Do what He Says

*** And further, the Knowledge reveals:
"Then" is subjective.
Meaning:
What the Lord God "will Do"...
May BE ... instantly...(realized by man)
May BE ... future...(realized by man)

However "IT"...will be Done.

"AND"... before a man can SEE it "done"...
The Lord Gods "accounting/ books/ records/ evidence/ preparations" ... Account "it"
As Done...and So also can a man, Trust (without "seeing", it is done, once and forever)

The Book of Knowledge...is Full of Examples:
Of historical man-kind who Accepted Gods Offering and who Rejected Gods Offering...
And the results/Consequences thereof.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

Christ did a way with the consequence of Sin, and because of that we have no burden because He carried it for us. It is "you" demanding perfection, you have no idea of what you speak. You are no better or worse than any other christian, Christ didnt die so we could be like you.

It is GOD that demands perfection to be His child. "Be perfect, as My Father in heaven is perfect." "You must be born again." And that is why Jesus came. John 8:32-36. You think He came so we can eat, drink and be merry with no consequences, turning the grace of God into licentiousness Jude 1:4, the antithesis of a child of God. Stop being deceived with doctrines of demons that started 500 years ago during the Reformation. Satan wants you deceived so you can stay his, a slave to sin. NO! The TRUTH is, He took away our SIN that had the consequences. No SIN - No CONSEQUENCES. The Law showed us our sin. No SIN - No need for the Law. Why? Because Jesus puts His Own Spirit within us and changes our nature, so instead of fighting against a sinful nature to try to be good, we now can act naturally with a divine nature. Romans 8:1-9; 2 Peter 1:2-11; 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18. No more struggle to be righteous. His Spirit inside us fulfills the righteous requirements of the eternal laws of God, to love God with all your heart, mind and body, and your neighbor as yourself written on our hearts in the New Covenant. The Grace of God is the Power of God to be sinless, not a cover-up license to sin.

This is not something that we can do, so stop accusing me of placing a burden on you. Only Jesus gives us His Spirit. All we have to do is REPENT and acknowledge that we are weak, but we desire to serve Jesus, but can't stop sinning. Ask for His Holy Spirit. There are many Christians struggling because they have never been born again of the Spirit. I was like that for the first 30 years of going to church, until I came to the end of myself and acknowledged my sin and weakness. Suddenly I was filled with His Spirit from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. I was literally born again with a completely different nature that I had before. Out with the weak, in with the powerful. And, believe me, IT LASTS! I don't just love God from afar; I love Him intimately! From the first day of this new born again life, I have been able to hear His voice clearly. Not audibly from outside, but from the inside where He lives.

Luke 11:10-13
10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

 

[CharismaticLady]

So filled with condemnation, is sin all you know about. You have made grace into a works, you have taken that what if from God and made it into something from men, twisted the truth to serve your purpose, and condemn everyone who is not as you claim to be. If you knew Christ as you say you do, you would know that none of this is from Him or God, when judgment comes you will see,

Yes, sin is my subject. My ministry is not to the lost in the world; it is to the lost in the Church!!! Matthew 7:21-23:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

It is SIN that separated us from God; do you really thinks God wants you to stay a sinner, but just with no consequences? Grow up!!! Satan's demons have made you blind as a bat!!! GOD IS HOLY!!! Only overcomers will be in heaven, the righteous and holy. Revelation 22:11

BTW, IMPUTED Righteousness was to Old Testament saints. The New Covenant makes us truly righteous. And without holiness, no man shall see God Hebrews 12:14.

Trust me, if you are in one of those Reformation churches that Jesus says in Rev. 3, that they have a reputation for being alive, BUT ARE DEAD, RUN!!!