Edward Fudge: Hero Or Heretic?

[ChristisGod]

It is getting more an more bizarre all the time. Not only about Christ about about the Gospel.

Agreed !

 

[Waiting on him]

Your opinion is so far of the mark that you are identifying the Antichrist as Christ. "The Little Horn" of Daniel is clearly the Antichrist. The very fact that he is an extremely blasphemous man should be sufficient to show that.

I wonder if we could put a number to how many time the Pharisees accuses Him of this, or maybe it would be more fun to put a number to how many you’ve accused?

 

[Waiting on him]

Was Jesus Greek????????????????????????????

I wouldn’t attempt to assign an nationality to God, how bout you?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I wouldn’t attempt to assign an nationality to God, how bout you?

Daniel 8 little horn is Greek.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus wasn't Greek.

Why are you locked onto the Greek thing?
The prophecy of the LH was fulfilled by the Greek AE-4, and never to be fulfilled again.

Jesus wasn't trying to fulfill it again, but rather through type and antitype, He was using that prophecy of the AoD to show that HIS TEMPLE, his body, was going to be destroyed, and therefore will be the "abomination that maketh desolate", void of God.
By His sacrificial death and resurrection, he truly did make the temple building in Jerusalem desolate, useless and ready for destruction. God would now not ever visit in it again! It was no longer needed.

 

[Earburner]

Edit: "...HIS TEMPLE, his body, was going to be destroyed, and therefore will be the "abomination that maketh desolate", the temple building to be void of God.

 

[bbyrd009]

How did we divert to the tangent of biblical prophecy?

To @bbyrd009,

I may get to responding to you in due time, I don't feel like answering right now.

really the point was about sin being a perception anyway jbf, the religious theory ill let you debate with the other professors, wadr

Rather, where there is no law, there is no transgression. A little different meaning I think.

Much love!

yeh, ill let you and jbf work that out, and forgive the shorthand if you would

you guys are sure quick enough to jump on the irrelevant eh

 

[bbyrd009]

It is getting more an more bizarre all the time. Not only about Christ about about the Gospel.

Agreed !

well imo you gotta expect that with Death More Abundantly; you have made a bargain with the grave, after all

 

[Earburner]

I was actually pointing out the future Great Tribulation period of end times, and the Antichrist that @Earburner doesn't believe in.


Daniel 8 - 7 year Jewish Revolt from 67 BC to 60 BC - Antiochus Epiphanes IV - model of future Antichrist - desolation of temple in middle around 64 BC

Daniel 9 - 7 year Jewish Revolt from 66 AD to 73 AD - Titus - model of future Antichrist - desolation of temple in middle at 70 AD

Daniel 7 - 7 year Great Tribulation for all Israel to be saved. - The Antichrist

Correct! There is no "one man band", singular man", that church-ianity loves to call "THE" Antichrist.
I have already shown through scripture, via the textus Receptus Greek text, that there was an error of a word insertion by the translators of the KJV in 2 Thes. 2[8]
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
>Thus causing one to read it in the singular.

> How the Textus Receptus Greek text states it in 2 Thes. 2[8]
And then shall the wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
> Thus allowing one to read it in the plural.
Furthermore, in the KJV you will never find the words "the" or "antichrist" put together.
However, in all the recent, newer bible translations of today, the words "the Antichrist" can be found in them.

As for me, I am going with what the Textus Receptus Greek text says!

As for a seven year Great Tribulation, I only disagree with how the seven years are contrived out of the prophecy of The 70 weeks in Daniel.
There is NO missing week, that must be added in at the end of the Church Age.
That mistake by church-ianity, is equal to, if not greater than, the word insertion done by the KJV translators in 2 Thessalonians 2:8.

 

[Enoch111]

...you have made a bargain with the grave, after all...

Perhaps you. Not us. The grave means nothing to the Christian, since he or she is immediately in Heaven, in the presence of Christ.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Why are you locked onto the Greek thing?
The prophecy of the LH was fulfilled by the Greek AE-4, and never to be fulfilled again.

Jesus wasn't trying to fulfill it again, but rather through type and antitype, He was using that prophecy of the AoD to show that HIS TEMPLE, his body, was going to be destroyed, and therefore will be the "abomination that maketh desolate", void of God.
By His sacrificial death and resurrection, he truly did make the temple building in Jerusalem desolate, useless and ready for destruction. God would now not ever visit in it again! It was no longer needed.

Someone was believing that the little horn that represented Antiochus E IV, was Jesus. That's absurd, so I asked them if Jesus was Greek. It was a joke. Unless they were speaking of the little horn of Daniel 7, then that wasn't Greek, and I misunderstood.

But no where in Scripture is the abomination that maketh desolate referring to Christ. I know the Seventh-day Adventists use Daniel 9:27 to depict Jesus, but that is wrong also. Jesus, Himself, refers to the abomination of desolation, and He certainly wasn't speaking of Himself.

Oh, sorry, I just looked back and those who thought it was Jesus was you and Waiting on him. That is surprising.

 

[Waiting on him]

Someone was believing that the little horn that represented Antiochus E IV, was Jesus. That's absurd, so I asked them if Jesus was Greek. It was a joke. Unless they were speaking of the little horn of Daniel 7, then that wasn't Greek, and I misunderstood.

But no where in Scripture is the abomination that maketh desolate referring to Christ. I know the Seventh-day Adventists use Daniel 9:27 to depict Jesus, but that is wrong also. Jesus, Himself, refers to the abomination of desolation, and He certainly wasn't speaking of Himself.

Oh, sorry, I just looked back and those who thought it was Jesus was you and Waiting on him. That is surprising.

I believe this is the biggest problem,

Matthew 24:15 KJV
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

when people currently read this they believe Jesus is speaking to them. He is clearly speaking to His disciples and any others that would head the warnings, which He knew would live to see it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I believe this is the biggest problem,

Matthew 24:15 KJV
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

when people currently read this they believe Jesus is speaking to them. He is clearly speaking to His disciples and any others that would head the warnings, which He knew would live to see it.

He wasn't speaking of Himself.

 

[Waiting on him]

And also anyone who thinks Paul in 2 Theselonians is referencing the physical temple located in Jerusalem, dishonors God, the Body of Christ and every epistle written.

 

[Waiting on him]

He wasn't speaking of Himself.

Good argument.

 

[justbyfaith]

And also anyone who thinks Paul in 2 Theselonians is referencing the physical temple located in Jerusalem, dishonors God, the Body of Christ and every epistle written.

How so?

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

 

[Waiting on him]

How so?

537

 

[Waiting on him]

No great wonder the religious rulers of His time were also awaiting Messiah.

 

[Giuliano]

You explained yourself that Greece divided. The beast in one vision had four heads, the other, for horns. But the beast was still Greece, though divided. Antiochus was but a minor part of one of the heads. But still a part of Greece. Little horn didn't grow from the beast... It grew from one of the four winds.
KJV Daniel 8
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This little horn grew exceeding great. This whatever power this is, has to grow greater than Greece which was described as just very great.
KJV Daniel 8
8 Therefore the he goat (Greece) waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn (Alexander) was broken; and for it came up four notable (but not great) ones (Lysimachus, Ptolemy, Cassander, Seleucas) toward the four winds (compass) of heaven.

The only power that came after Greece that grew exceeding great in comparison with previous powers was Rome. This harmonizes with the statue in Daniel 2. Though each succeeding empire grew less opulent, they did grow stronger. Gold, silver, brass, iron. Rome is the only power that grew so great as to meet the descriptions in Daniel 7, but is the only power to continue in existence, albeit in a different form, down to our day through the horns that grew from that beast, first the ten, then the next little horn which grew into a beast in it's own right and survives until but is destroyed at the second coming. ( The Rock that crushed the feet causing the whole statue to crumble and disappear.

Is verse 23 translated right in the KJV? If it's right (in the latter time of their kingdom) , I'd believe it's Antiochus. If it should read "at the end of their kingdom," then I'd say I agree with you and the Jewish opinion that the latter part of the prophecy refers to Titus.

Notice that while the man in verse 24 is described as strong, it's not a military type of strength. "And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power. . . . " The Jews say that means his strength derived more from smooth talk than real strength.

I also wish I knew the historical facts better. The prophecy itself is rather vague -- and said to be sealed until the end -- I'm not sure it was meant to be that clear.