Jesus isn't Catholic

[BreadOfLife]

Everlasting life is really only temporal if you don't keep yourself? So, it was never everlasting in the first place.

Thus John 6:47 is rendered moot...null and void.

Not at all.

YOU simply refuse to read it in context with verses like James 2:19, Matt. 7:21 and dozens of others . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have never been anti-Catholic...while I may indeed be anti-Catholicism..

There is NO difference.
You sound like a Democrat politician.

The verses that I have brought up address every one of the verses that you have brought up and explained them so that there is no contradiction.

In your pov, there is a contradiction between the scriptures...for you cannot explain how it is that we shall not come into condemnation but have passed from death unto everlasting life.

Everlasting life, by nature, cannot be temporal. If it ever comes to an end, it was temporal life all along and was never everlasting.

All I know is that in John 6:47, everlasting life is promised to those who believe on Jesus Christ. And everlasting life cannot come to an end. If it ever did come to an end, it was not everlasting in the first place. And we have it from the moment of first faith. You have also failed to address this argument, in all the times that I have brought it up.

You keep making the SAME blunder over an over by insisting that I am showing you Scripture verses in an attempt to “refute” the verses YOU presented.
That is absolute nonsense.

I’m NOT refuting Scripture – that would be impossible. I’m refuting your man-made, 16th century invention of “Eternal Security” or “OSAS” or “Perseverance of the Saints” – or whatever other clever name it has been given.

 

[justbyfaith]

@BreadOfLife,

You are obviously not going to listen to reason so why should I bother any more with you?

I will leave you with this...

The assurance of salvation, in holy scripture, is said to be a helmet that we take into battle with us when we are fighting the enemy (Ephesians 6:10-18, 1 Thessalonians 5:8).

If you want to fight your battles without a helmet, be my guest.

If it is your inclination to want to propose doctrine that removes the helmet of others, I believe that I have laid forth enough evidence that the helmet we wear is secure, that those who want to fight with a helmet can fight with a helmet securely on their heads.

You have not succeeded in causing them to fight without a helmet.

I am saying this more to the principality and power that is behind your posts than I am saying it to you.

For, it should be clear that we obtain the promises of the Lord through faith. And there are certain promises in the word of the Lord that guarantee eternal security. Some have not taken hold of them; and such can lose their salvation.

But for those of us who have taken hold of these promises (such as John 5:24 (kjv)), we know whom we have believed and we will not be fighting our battles without the helmet of salvation's hope secured firmly on our heads.

You will not succeed at stripping away this piece of armor from our battle equipment therefore; for we know that it is an important piece, and we know the verses that have promised us salvation so that this piece of the armor is secured firmly on our heads.

 

[Philip James]

Listen....When Jesus said..>"this is my blood"... in the cup.....
It wasn't,

But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.

 

[marksman]

It has everything to do with the subject.

One of the types of ground refers to the one who has faith and then later falls away because of temptation or trial; because they have no root in themselves.

This would indicate that the good ground refers to someone who does have root in themselves and therefore bears fruit unto everlasting life (Romans 6:22).

You have toe understand the entire context of Hebrews 6. For verses 9-10 teach us that we have Jesus as an anchor for the soul; and that having this anchor keeps us from falling away.

Thank you for your opinion. I will stick to the facts as taught to me by theologians with a Ph.D.

 

[Behold]

THAT'S why he provied the SACRAMENTAL means for consuming His flesh and blood, Einstein.
The transformation of bread and wine at the Last Supper.

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You follow a deceiver who prays to plastic statues of Mary and you think im the einstein.
I'd vote that you are....
See it?

Listen...Jesus didn't Transform it.
the cult of mary magic priest have this power, remember?
Jesus only spoke about it as future remembrance, or "communion".

 

[Behold]

It’s pathetic that you fancy yourself a Bible scholar – yet in the depths of your ignorance, you failed to see that “Epignosis” is not used even ONCE in Acts 28. NOBODY here is being addressed like born-again believers in Heb. 10:26-27 who have an “Epignosis” of Christ.I now see WHY you haven’t addressed the verses of Scripture that I have repeatedly posted which destroy your OSAS fallacy. Because you CAN’T . . .

The last 10 verses of Acts 28 are the same as Hebrews 10.
Paul is addressing unsaved Jews (Hebrews), again.
This 2nd time He does this, we are shown that Paul leaves them, and begins to deal only with the Gentiles, as Paul is the Gentile Apostle in the time of the Gentiles.

 

[Behold]

Since YOU said that the Catholic Church was “created by liars” – perhaps you can tell me WHO created it and WHEN . . .

You are a follower of a man who prays to plastic statues of Mary.
So, what does that make you?


Listen,
n the early part of the 3rd century, Hippolytus of Rome recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a Bishop..
The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the cult of the Virgin as Mother of God;
Then....
Pope Gregory’s reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form.
Next..
.The Virgin Mary in Byzantine Representations
The Virgin Mary, known as the Theotokos in Greek terminology, was central to Byzantine spirituality as one of its most important religious figures . As the mediator between suffering mankind and Christ and the protectress of Constantinople , she was widely venerated. Also..
Mary is mentioned more often in the Koran (Q`uran) (Islam) (30 references) than in the Christian Bible
Lastly for now...... The Catholic Religion relies heavily on "Church Father" and "Saints"
One of their favorites is Irenaeus.
IN his book Against Heresies (Book 5, ch. 19, c. AD 185) that talks about "recapitulation." He talks about how Jesus undid through obedience what Adam caused through disobedience. It also says that Mary, obeying while a virgin, undid the disobedience of Eve who disobeyed while a virgin.

Imagine the depth of deceit to actually believe that a sinner named Mary, was taken into heaven, and given RULE and status as "co-mediatrix".

Amazing what the Devil can create that a deceived fool will obey.
Plastic Mary?
Drinking Blood?
Purgatory?
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[Behold]

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[Behold]

But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.

"Depart from me, I never KNEW YOU"..

Reader...
this tells us that there are those who put on Christian Clothes, do Christian deeds, are water baptized, ...and literally try to live as Christ lived, and they die and burn in the Lake of Fire, after hitting Revelation 20:11 like a bullet.
Why?
Because Jesus never KNEW them.....
"knew"......This NT word, as Translated means to be "one with"....."joined".
So, to be born again, is to be "spiritually joined" with Christ and God, = "know"
This means if Christ does not know you, even tho you are water baptized, and a church member....you are not "in Christ"., and you are still in your sins, and you are this..... John 3:36

Jesus said...."you must pray to plastic statues of Mary".
No.
Jesus said, "you must call the pope , holy father".
No.
Jesus said.."you must belong to the methodist, baptist, assembly of god, or (insert your favorite denomination)"
NO.

Jesus said, 'you must be BORN AGAIN"..

This is the only proof you belong to God, as works can be faked.
"fruit" can be faked.
But you can not fake a BIRTH.
To be KNOWN by Jesus is to be BORN AGAIN by the Spirit of God.
Being Born Again, is to be Spiritually BIRTHED, and you can't fake this, and you will not go to Heaven unless you have a "new birth".

Saint, when was your 2nd Birthday?
If you don't have one, you need to resolve this TODAY, right now.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife,

You are obviously not going to listen to reason so why should I bother any more with you?

I will leave you with this...

The assurance of salvation, in holy scripture, is said to be a helmet that we take into battle with us when we are fighting the enemy (Ephesians 6:10-18, 1 Thessalonians 5:8).

If you want to fight your battles without a helmet, be my guest.

If it is your inclination to want to propose doctrine that removes the helmet of others, I believe that I have laid forth enough evidence that the helmet we wear is secure, that those who want to fight with a helmet can fight with a helmet securely on their heads.

You have not succeeded in causing them to fight without a helmet.

I am saying this more to the principality and power that is behind your posts than I am saying it to you.

For, it should be clear that we obtain the promises of the Lord through faith. And there are certain promises in the word of the Lord that guarantee eternal security. Some have not taken hold of them; and such can lose their salvation.

But for those of us who have taken hold of these promises (such as John 5:24 (kjv)), we know whom we have believed and we will not be fighting our battles without the helmet of salvation's hope secured firmly on our heads.

You will not succeed at stripping away this piece of armor from our battle equipment therefore; for we know that it is an important piece, and we know the verses that have promised us salvation so that this piece of the armor is secured firmly on our heads.

And until YOU can address the Biblical truth of how people with an Epignosis of Christ are warned not to fall away and LOSE their security - ALL of your out-of-context argument won't amount to a hill of beans.

 

[APAK]

"Depart from me, I never KNEW YOU"..

Reader...
this tells us that there are those who put on Christian Clothes, do Christian deeds, are water baptized, ...and literally try to live as Christ lived, and they die and burn in the Lake of Fire, after hitting Revelation 20:11 like a bullet.
Why?
Because Jesus never KNEW them.....
"knew"......This NT word, as Translated means to be "one with"....."joined".
So, to be born again, is to be "spiritually joined" with Christ and God, = "know"
This means if Christ does not know you, even tho you are water baptized, and a church member....you are not "in Christ"., and you are still in your sins, and you are this..... John 3:36

Jesus said...."you must pray to plastic statues of Mary".
No.
Jesus said, "you must call the pope , holy father".
No.
Jesus said.."you must belong to the methodist, baptist, assembly of god, or (insert your favorite denomination)"
NO.

Jesus said, 'you must be BORN AGAIN"..

This is the only proof you belong to God, as works can be faked.
"fruit" can be faked.
But you can not fake a BIRTH.
To be KNOWN by Jesus is to be BORN AGAIN by the Spirit of God.
Being Born Again, is to be Spiritually BIRTHED, and you can't fake this, and you will not go to Heaven unless you have a "new birth".

Saint, when was your 2nd Birthday?
If you don't have one, you need to resolve this TODAY, right now.

Mine was in the second week of April 1974. The old life was destroyed for good and a new heart and mind was given to me by my true Father in heaven - I loved and love his precious Son. I can still recall the changes within me and my new attitude and actions...my wife was overwhelmed by them..what a birthday it was indeed. This is the one to celebrate every year. The union of my spirit to my Messiah. My spirit attests with the Father's that we know each other because of his Son living his spirit within me....joy and peace forever...!

APAK

 

[justbyfaith]

Thank you for your opinion. I will stick to the facts as taught to me by theologians with a Ph.D.

I would suggest paying attention to the Holy Spirit's teaching on the matter.

If you have a relationship with Him through His word, you can always check with Him as to whether any teaching is faitfhul.

I wouldn't put too much stock in a Ph.D. Even those who have them can indeed be carnally-minded.

But true authority in the word of God comes through a relationship with the Holy Spirit.

 

[justbyfaith]

"fruit" can be faked.

However, bad fruit is a sure sign of a false prophet.

False prophets cannot go very long without exhibiting some kind of bad fruit eventually.

And therefore, if someone consistently bears good fruit over a long period of time, it can be determined by this that they are true.

For Jesus did say,

You will know them by their fruits.

 

[justbyfaith]

And until YOU can address the Biblical truth of how people with an Epignosis of Christ are warned not to fall away and LOSE their security - ALL of your out-of-context argument won't amount to a hill of beans.

I think that you need to address my contention about what it means to have everlasting life (for this is my response to your contention about epignosis)...

If the life that is given ever comes to an end, it was never everlasting, but can only, from the getgo, be defined as temporal.

Therefore, if someone has everlasting life, their life can never come to an end.

If it ever did come to an end, it could not be defined as everlasting in the first place.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You follow a deceiver who prays to plastic statues of Mary and you think im the einstein.
I'd vote that you are....
See it?

Listen...Jesus didn't Transform it.
the cult of mary magic priest have this power, remember?
Jesus only spoke about it as future remembrance, or "communion".

And WHAT part of, “For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink (John 6:55) do you NOT understand?

WHAT portion of “This IS my body”, and “This IS my blood” do you have difficulty with??
Can you point me to the punchline where Jesus says, “Just kidding!”

Chapter and Verse, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The last 10 verses of Acts 28 are the same as Hebrews 10.
Paul is addressing unsaved Jews (Hebrews), again.
This 2nd time He does this, we are shown that Paul leaves them, and begins to deal only with the Gentiles, as Paul is the Gentile Apostle in the time of the Gentiles.

WRONG again, Einstein.
In Acts 28, he never even implies that they know (Epignosis) Christ.

The author of Hebrews uses the term “EPIGNOSIS” - which connotes a FULL, experiential and relational knowledge of Christ.

You need to study your Greek . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are a follower of a man who prays to plastic statues of Mary.
So, what does that make you?


Listen,
n the early part of the 3rd century, Hippolytus of Rome recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a Bishop..
The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the cult of the Virgin as Mother of God;
Then....
Pope Gregory’s reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form.
Next..
.The Virgin Mary in Byzantine Representations
The Virgin Mary, known as the Theotokos in Greek terminology, was central to Byzantine spirituality as one of its most important religious figures . As the mediator between suffering mankind and Christ and the protectress of Constantinople , she was widely venerated. Also..
Mary is mentioned more often in the Koran (Q`uran) (Islam) (30 references) than in the Christian Bible
Lastly for now...... The Catholic Religion relies heavily on "Church Father" and "Saints"
One of their favorites is Irenaeus.
IN his book Against Heresies (Book 5, ch. 19, c. AD 185) that talks about "recapitulation." He talks about how Jesus undid through obedience what Adam caused through disobedience. It also says that Mary, obeying while a virgin, undid the disobedience of Eve who disobeyed while a virgin.

Imagine the depth of deceit to actually believe that a sinner named Mary, was taken into heaven, and given RULE and status as "co-mediatrix".

Amazing what the Devil can create that a deceived fool will obey.
Plastic Mary?
Drinking Blood?
Purgatory?

And again – you FAILED to answer the question.
I asked you WHO created the Catholic Church – and WHEN it was created.

Remember, Einstein – YOU are the one who said it was “created by liars” – so SURELY, you must know WHO and WHEN.

If you’re going to continue to dodge these kinds of questions – perhaps you should stop putting your foot in your mouth with such regularity . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that you need to address my contention about what it means to have everlasting life (for this is my response to your contention about epignosis)...

If the life that is given ever comes to an end, it was never everlasting, but can only, from the getgo, be defined as temporal.

Therefore, if someone has everlasting life, their life can never come to an end.

If it ever did come to an end, it could not be defined as everlasting in the first place.

I already addressed this point – SEVERAL times now.

I told you that verses like John 5:24 are CONDITIONAL - when read in their proper context with other verses like Matt. 7:21, James 2:14-26, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 2:1-3, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:14-14, Heb. 4:1, Heb. 4:11, Eph. 5-6, etc.

YOUR problem – as ALWAYS, is context.

 

[justbyfaith]

I already addressed this point – SEVERAL times now.

I told you that verses like John 5:24 are CONDITIONAL - when read in their proper context with other verses like Matt. 7:21, James 2:14-26, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 2:1-3, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:14-14, Heb. 4:1, Heb. 4:11, Eph. 5-6, etc.

YOUR problem – as ALWAYS, is context.

Nope.

You haven't answered my contention in the slightest.

You have to deal with the word everlasting and what it means if you are going to make your point.

From your pov, Jesus said something like this, in John 6:47...

"Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believeth on me hath everlasting life...but it might only be temporal based on you...so it might not be everlasting...so scratch that part about verily, verily."

Thing is, Jesus didn't add in that last part. What He said was,

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

If life is everlasting it cannot come to an end.

Because if it ever comes to an end, it was temporal rather than everlasting.

Therefore if I have everlasting life, my life cannot come to an end...because the nature of my life is that it is everlasting...which means it will last for ever.