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BreadOfLife

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So, you're saying that satan has the power to pull us up by the roots?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Can a plant pull itself up by its roots?

No one can snatch us out of God's hand (John 10:27-30).
I never said that.

However - roots CAN dry up (Job 18:6) and a branch CAN wither away and fall off (John 15:6).
Those branches are gathered ul and BURNED . . .
 

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Try to understand that before you landed on my Threads a week ago, obo, to teach "cult of Mary" nonsense.... i had already written about 60 Threads that you missed.
The other members here, didn't.
Try to catch up.[
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Then, try to address the damning Scriptural refutation of your false OSAS nonsense that I presented.

CAN
you do that?
 

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You post verses.
Anyone can post verses.

Do you want me to go to an online bible site and cut and past about 40 verse, and post them in my next 24 posts to you and say..>"see there , i gotcha".
Stop being stupid.
You pray to plastic statues of Mary.
You twist BEADS.
You confess to men wearing black gowns who use "magic power" to turn a cookie into Jesus.
C'mon.
You are not to be taken seriously on a Christian Forum.
A few here will argue with you, because they are bored.
Thats the reality.
 

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I never said that.

However - roots CAN dry up (Job 18:6) and a branch CAN wither away and fall off (John 15:6).
Those branches are gathered ul and BURNED . . .


Listen , dead limbs on a tree are still on the tree.

here is what you are not understanding..
Symbolic verses are symbolic.....
You dont use symbolic verses to try to teach doctrine., and you certainly dont use them to try to cast born again believers into the Lake of Fire.
THat's a fool's errand.
Dont be that one.

So, there is seed that fell upon good ground, and some took root, and some fell on hard ground, thorny ground.
There are branches.
There are candlesticks.
THere is all sorts of SYMBOLIC stuff in the bible that the nonsensical and the deeply deceived try to use against Christians.
Dont do that.

breadoflife,
People are not "branches", and they are not "wood"., they are eternal spirits.

If a branch is drying up on a vine, its because there is no SAP in the Branch.

If a person is religious and follows Christ and dies and Jesus says "DEPART FROM ME".....then that person has no "sap"...they have no Holy Spirit in them, they were never SAVED.
Same as that BRANCH.
 
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He said that he had "begotten them through the gospel"...slightly different from asking them to call him "father".

?? Is he not saying he is their father?
How else can you possibly read this verse:

Here's the kjv

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Who else 'begets' you but your father?

And of course he refers to others as his children as well,

Eg:
to Timothy, my true child in faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord


Does this not point to something deeper in Jesus statement to call no man father, than just using that word?

No man teacher? Yet teachers are identified as a gift to the Church...??

How do you reconcile these?

Peace!
 

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If a branch is drying up on a vine, its because there is no SAP in the Branch

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
 

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From this point forward – NONE of your nonsense will be accepted until you finally address the Scriptural evidence I have repeatedly given you that obliterates your OSAS fairy tale.

I have completely obliterated your denial of POTS in some of my posts; which you have failed to address.

?? Is he not saying he is their father?
How else can you possibly read this verse:

Here's the kjv

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Who else 'begets' you but your father?

And of course he refers to others as his children as well,

Eg:
to Timothy, my true child in faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord


Does this not point to something deeper in Jesus statement to call no man father, than just using that word?

No man teacher? Yet teachers are identified as a gift to the Church...??

How do you reconcile these?

Peace!

My point is that Paul doesn't tell anyone to call him "father". You are not even to call your biological father "father"; how much less a Catholic priest?
 

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Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Will you listen to me?
Not read me, but hear me, Philip James.

Listen...

In Leviticus, God said that "you shall not consume blood, orally".
You shall not eat it when its dried and you shall not drink it when its wet.
Do you HEAR ME?

God said, in Leviticus, that you can not CONSUME BLOOD, its is an ABOMINATION.

Jesus SAID, of the Communion...>"do this in REMEMBRANCE" of me".
= NOT LITERALLY.

So, your religion teaches that by the power of Transubstantiation the Priest is able to CHANGE the cookie and the juice into the LITERAL , LITERAL, LITERAL, BLOOD OF JESUS.
And what did God say about eating Human Flesh?
Read Lamentation 4, and find out what God did to people who ate their kids.

So, hear me....If your priest has the power through Transubstantiation to change the juice and the cookie into the literal blood and body of a human, even Christ's Body,...and you believe that he does.....yes you do...... then you are sinning a grievous grievous sin by LITERALLY DRINKING BLOOD AND EATING FLESH.


 

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My point is that Paul doesn't tell anyone to call him "father". You are not even to call your biological father "father"; how much less a Catholic priest?

I'm not sure you answered my questions... Forgive me for adding a few more..

If i'm not to call my biological father 'father' , what should I call him?

Greg? Seems a little off from 'honour thy father and mother" to me...
I know some kids call their parents by their first names...
Some of my own did the same. Their mother (God bless her) put an end to that...

What of the word doctor? That's just another word for teacher...

My point is it is not the word we use, but the concept we are trying to express in language...

When I speak of my Almighty Father, i speak of Him from whom all goodness, all beauty, all magnificence, all glory, all LIFE flows...

To see some man that way (and there are many examples of people who have done this) is wrong and frought with all kinds of danger..

But when I speak of my pastor or my biological father as father is to recognize their place, given to them by my Almighty Father, of authority over me.

I do not confuse the two...

Peace be with you!
 

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Will you listen to me

I have been listening to you.
And I admire your zeal.
What a weapon you could be, if you but humbled yourself and placed yourself at the service of the least of your brethren...

God said, in Leviticus, that you can not CONSUME BLOOD, its is an ABOMINATION.

Do you know why?

you are sinning a grievous grievous sin by LITERALLY DRINKING BLOOD AND EATING FLESH.
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Well, as Jesus is the judge (i hope we agree on that!)

And Jesus said:

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.


I hope you'll forgive me for listening to Him instead of you...

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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The way you understand how to understand "when" the Body of Christ or the Bride of Christ began, is to understand who started it, and how, and that shows you "when".

And to get to that understanding, you have to realize that all of THAT is related to the "time of the Gentiles", as this is when we are addressing the how, and the when, and the why.
Do you know exactly WHEN and WHERE in the Bible the church began?
 

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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

I hope you'll forgive me for listening to Him instead of you...

Further in the verse, He says It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

If you listened to Jesus say that what would your answer be?
 

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I have completely obliterated your denial of POTS in some of my posts; which you have failed to address.
WRONG
I've addressed ALL of your cherry-picked verses by showing you how you took them out of context.

You seem to think that ALL other Scripture is "null and void" when it comes to your false doctrine of "Eternal Security" just because you were able to pluck a few verses out of context.
It doesn't work that way. You must take ALL of the verses about salvation, security - and the WARNINGS about losing it all into context.

That's what you call, "rightly dividing" Scripture.
 

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Will you listen to me?
Not read me, but hear me, Philip James.

Listen...

In Leviticus, God said that "you shall not consume blood, orally".
You shall not eat it when its dried and you shall not drink it when its wet.
Do you HEAR ME?

God said, in Leviticus, that you can not CONSUME BLOOD, its is an ABOMINATION.

Jesus SAID, of the Communion...>"do this in REMEMBRANCE" of me".
= NOT LITERALLY.

So, your religion teaches that by the power of Transubstantiation the Priest is able to CHANGE the cookie and the juice into the LITERAL , LITERAL, LITERAL, BLOOD OF JESUS.
And what did God say about eating Human Flesh?
Read Lamentation 4, and find out what God did to people who ate their kids.

So, hear me....If your priest has the power through Transubstantiation to change the juice and the cookie into the literal blood and body of a human, even Christ's Body,...and you believe that he does.....yes you do...... then you are sinning a grievous grievous sin by LITERALLY DRINKING BLOOD AND EATING FLESH.
And, as a dishonest anti-Catholic - you conveniently left out WHY there was a Levitical prohibition on consuming blood.
Do you remember WHY it was prohibited?? Allow me to educate you . . .

The prohibition was in place because the LIFE of the animal was contained in the blood (Lev. 17:11). THAT'S why, they were to completely drain the blood of the animal before consuming its flesh.

The ENTIRE point of the Eucharist is that there is ONE being whose life you DO WANT in you - and that is CHRIST.
This is precisely why Jesus told His disciples the following:

John 6:53-56
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, AND I IN HIM.

BINGO!
 

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Further in the verse, He says It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

If you listened to Jesus say that what would your answer be?

Hello HisLife,

Welcome!

I'm not sure I understand what the question is? My answer to what?

Clearly, Jesus taught that His flesh saves the world!

And so regardless of what MY flesh sees, tastes, smells... HIS words are Spirit and Truth!

And what are those words?

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body."

Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,

for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.


Peace!
 

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Listen , dead limbs on a tree are still on the tree.

here is what you are not understanding..
Symbolic verses are symbolic.....
You dont use symbolic verses to try to teach doctrine., and you certainly dont use them to try to cast born again believers into the Lake of Fire.
THat's a fool's errand.
Dont be that one.

So, there is seed that fell upon good ground, and some took root, and some fell on hard ground, thorny ground.
There are branches.
There are candlesticks.
THere is all sorts of SYMBOLIC stuff in the bible that the nonsensical and the deeply deceived try to use against Christians.
Dont do that.

breadoflife,
People are not "branches", and they are not "wood"., they are eternal spirits.

If a branch is drying up on a vine, its because there is no SAP in the Branch.

If a person is religious and follows Christ and dies and Jesus says "DEPART FROM ME".....then that person has no "sap"...they have no Holy Spirit in them, they were never SAVED.
Same as that BRANCH.
Of ALL of your impotent responses - this is the most asinine of all.

The "branches" of the vine that Jesus spoke of are US and HE is the Vine.
He stated plainly that that some branches that cease to be of any worth will be cut off and burned. Only an idiot wouldn't understand that this is metaphorical language - but it is conveying the REALITY of some being LOST.

As for your ridiculous claim that you can't use symbolic verses to teach doctrine - THAT may be the most asinine sentence in your post . . .
 

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You post verses.
Anyone can post verses.

Do you want me to go to an online bible site and cut and past about 40 verse, and post them in my next 24 posts to you and say..>"see there , i gotcha".
Stop being stupid.
You pray to plastic statues of Mary.
You twist BEADS.
You confess to men wearing black gowns who use "magic power" to turn a cookie into Jesus.
C'mon.
You are not to be taken seriously on a Christian Forum.
A few here will argue with you, because they are bored.
Thats the reality.
Since you appear to be intimidated by the task of addressing all NINE of the verses I challenged you with - at LEAST try to address just these TWO:

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth
, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.
 

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WRONG
I've addressed ALL of your cherry-picked verses by showing you how you took them out of context.

No, you have not shown that my verses are out of context. I can say that your verses are out of context; and that you have cherry-picked them.

What you need to do (at the very least) is to reconcile your verses with a singular verse that you have not yet been able to answer...John 5:24 (kjv).

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Here, let me expound again.

This is an absolute promise by Jesus as indicated by His words, Verily, verily, I say unto you.

The condition of the promise is that you hear Jesus' words and believe on Him who sent Him.

The promise is that you shall not come into condemnation but have passed from death unto having everlasting life.

If life is everlasting, it cannot come to an end. If it were to come to an end, then it was always temporal life and not everlasting life.

I believe, @BreadOfLife, that you are opposing yourself (Acts of the Apostles 18:6, 2 Timothy 2:25).

For you are missing out on a very good helmet for the day of battle (Ephesians 6:10-18, 1 Thessalonians 5:8).

It doesn't work that way. You must take ALL of the verses about salvation, security - and the WARNINGS about losing it all into context.

I have done so.

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth
, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Just tale some scissors and cut John 5:24, John 6:47, and John 10:27-30 out of your Bible.

The verses above are intended to produce the fear of the LORD in the believer in Christ. If any believer has the fear of the LORD, they shall not depart from the LORD (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv)).

Also, no one can snatch them out of God's hand; they shall never perish; and they shall not come into condemnation; and they have passed from death unto eternal and everlasting life (if you would but read the passages that I have referenced above).

Your method of dealing with these verses is not honest. You discount them by calling them cherries that I have picked.

I have news for you: every cherry has a seed within it that, when planted, is capable of producing an entire tree.

And again, I can also say that you have cherry-picked your verses. This time I have three passages and you only have two, and therefore I have your passages outnumbered; and therefore you are the one who is cherry-picking.

While I do not discount your verses.

You also have not answered the fact that the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable, according to Romans 11:29 (nkjv); and that salvation, or eternal life, is the gift of God (Romans 6:23). How then is salvation even revocable?
 
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