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And again – you FAILED to answer the question.
I asked you WHO created the Catholic Church – and WHEN it was created.
Remember, Einstein – YOU are the one who said it was “created by liars” – so SURELY, you must know WHO and WHEN.
If you’re going to continue to dodge these kinds of questions – perhaps you should stop putting your foot in your mouth with such regularity . . .
Which is exactly what happens when we receive the Eucharist.
The Groom giving Himself to His bride, and she receiving Him..
The two made one flesh...
If you can't refute my Scriptural proof - just say so.You are an incoherent nutcase.....I have no other words for you at this time....you are the living example of why many die-hard RCs cannot do scripture and context together...next to impossible..and you know why...your religion gets in the way of your brain and thinking....later on then BOL....APAK
And as I've shown you - they're NOT.Nope. They are taught clearly in the word of the Lord.
WRONG.Our cooperation is guaranteed by the sealing of the Holy Spirit. For it is God who works within us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). And, he also causeth us to walk in His statutes and in His judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27). And, He who began a good work in me will be faithful to complete it until the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:6).
I will...
continue to believe in Him...
continue to abide in Him (for ever)...
continue to do His will...
continue to endure in faith...
Because He has changed me on the inside so that it is in my very nature to do these things. For I have been "born again".
I am a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv)).
"He” was just a typo.You capitalized "He". Are you speaking of Jesus? Jesus has to cooperate with God's grace in order to continue to have salvation?
This illustrates my point quite nicely; for it should be clear that those who are born again of the Holy Spirit are in Christ (1 John 5:20).
There is an utter ridiculousness in your statement that Jesus has to cooperate with God's grace in order to continue to be saved. It is written,
Rev 1:18, I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Now, I'm certain that you rightly interpret this verse to mean that Jesus can never die again.
How is it, then, that you do not interpret verses that say similar things about the believer, to mean the same thing?
For example,
Jhn 11:25, Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26, And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 11:27, She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Clearly, this is speaking of spiritual life and death; for there are many throughout church history who have "lived and believed in Him" who also died physically. Jesus told Peter (John 21:18-19) and Peter told the church (2 Peter 1:14-15) that he would die physically and therefore eternal life does not mean that a man will never physically die, but that his last breath on earth will be his first breath in heaven. Therefore our eternal life is our spiritual life.
Ummmm.....Sooooo when Jesus said "This IS my body/blood" he really meant is was a symbol?.....
wHat Jesus taught is "do this in remembrance of me", the symbolic.....
That’s what I thought you’d say.You mean other then the devil?
So, you are you asking me to give you the Catholic Lying Tradition or the actual history of the cult of Mary that created the Dark ages?
Hummmmm.
Lets try this
Well, for about 250+ yrs Christianity was banned by Rome. And along came Constantine who felt he could unite everyone under a religion.
His problem was that he was never actually a believer.
So, that'll work as your answer, unless you want to rework history as all catholics do, and try to state that it started with Jesus, then Peter took it from there, ect ect, = false.
That’s what I thought you’d say.
Every historically-bankrupt person I’ve ever spoken to has the same answer: “Constantine started the Catholic Church.”
Time for another history lesson, junior . . .
The Catholic Church was started by Jesus Chris (Matt. 16:18-19. It was actually being called “The Catholic church” as a title by the end of the FIRST century. We know this by the writings of Early Church Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, who was a disciple of the Apostle John.
On his way to martyrdom in Rome, Ignatius wrote letters to 7 churches. In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, he wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
See that ye all obey your bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church (Epistle to the Smyrnaeans 8 [A.D. 107]).
Gee – “obeying” Bishops and clergy, talk of the “Eucharist” and then the FINAL blow, “the Catholic Church”. Ummmmmm, WHICH Church does that sound like??
Later that SAME century, we have another document called The Martyrdom of Polycarp. Here is an excerpt from that document:
“Now, as soon as he had ceased praying, having made mention of all that had at any time come in contact with him, both small and great, illustrious and obscure, as well as the whole Catholic Church throughout the world, the time of his departure having arrived…”
This is not a mere description of the church – but “Catholic” is used as a TITLE here.
The term “Catholic Church” comes from Acts 9:31. The phrase in Greek is as follows
"Ekklesia kata holos"
Ekklesia (assembly/church)
Kata (according to)
Holos (concerning the whole, throughout)
If the phrase in the Martyrdom of Polycarp were used as a mere description, it would make NO sense. It would read something like this:
“…as well as the whole according to throughout Church throughout the world,…”
Ummmmm, Ignatius of Antioch died about 200 years before Constantine was even born.
Consider yourself historically-spanked . . .
Game.
SET
MATCH.
And as I've shown you - they're NOT.
That’s what I thought you’d say.
Every historically-bankrupt person I’ve ever spoken to has the same answer: “Constantine started the Catholic Church.”
Time for another history lesson, junior . . .
The Catholic Church was started by Jesus Chris (Matt. 16:18-19. It was actually being called “The Catholic church” as a title by the end of the FIRST century. We know this by the writings of Early Church Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, who was a disciple of the Apostle John.
On his way to martyrdom in Rome, Ignatius wrote letters to 7 churches. In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, he wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
See that ye all obey your bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church (Epistle to the Smyrnaeans 8 [A.D. 107]).
Gee – “obeying” Bishops and clergy, talk of the “Eucharist” and then the FINAL blow, “the Catholic Church”. Ummmmmm, WHICH Church does that sound like??
Later that SAME century, we have another document called The Martyrdom of Polycarp. Here is an excerpt from that document:
“Now, as soon as he had ceased praying, having made mention of all that had at any time come in contact with him, both small and great, illustrious and obscure, as well as the whole Catholic Church throughout the world, the time of his departure having arrived…”
This is not a mere description of the church – but “Catholic” is used as a TITLE here.
The term “Catholic Church” comes from Acts 9:31. The phrase in Greek is as follows
"Ekklesia kata holos"
Ekklesia (assembly/church)
Kata (according to)
Holos (concerning the whole, throughout)
If the phrase in the Martyrdom of Polycarp were used as a mere description, it would make NO sense. It would read something like this:
“…as well as the whole according to throughout Church throughout the world,…”
Ummmmm, Ignatius of Antioch died about 200 years before Constantine was even born.
Consider yourself historically-spanked . . .
Game.
SET
MATCH.
You have still failed to answer my contention that the one who believeth on Him hath everlasting life.WRONG.
Our cooperation with God’s grace is made possible – but it is NOT guaranteed.
This is the reason for the DOZENS of Biblical warnings not to fall away and LOSE it all.
God NEVER coerces those whom He loves.
Ummmm.....Sooooo when Jesus said "This IS my body/blood" he really meant is was a symbol?
Soooo why didn't he say "this is a symbol of my body/blood"?
I refuted it already and have done so several times before...need glasses?.. I cannot help you if you are still in denialIf you can't refute my Scriptural proof - just say so.
No need for name-calling
. .
That's Catholicism
You have still failed to answer my contention that the one who believeth on Him hath everlasting life.
Have you considered what it means that their life is everlasting?
It is not temporal.
If the life being spoken of could come to an end, Jesus would have qualified His statement by saying that it may be temporal.
But He didn't. He said,
Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
You can scratch that Verily, verily, I say unto you if the life that is given might be temporal.
The fact that Jesus called it everlasting means that it can never come to an end.
Because if it ever comes to an end, it is not everlasting but temporal life. And therefore Jesus was lying when He said that it is everlasting.
Please point me to the post where you "refuted" my Scriptural argument.I refuted it already and have done so several times before...need glasses?.. I cannot help you if you are still in denial
Please point me to the post where you "refuted" my Scriptural argument.
This should be fun . . .