Edward Fudge: Hero Or Heretic?

[BarneyFife]

God is life. God is cause, not effect. God does not change.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

I grant it's a paradox, but I know of no way around it.

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

 

[ChristisGod]

the link is nothing but Scripture, literally discredited
you need a link really bad ok

If you want to quote something from your link go ahead but I don't click on links from forums.

 

[Giuliano]

I grant it's a paradox, but I know of no way around it.

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

Yes, Jesus around before Abraham was; and Romans says Christ died, not God.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[bbyrd009]

If you want to quote something from your link go ahead but I don't click on links from forums.

it's not my link, and if i were to quote anything to you right now it would be that "Noah" is a girl's name, and the only Noah in scripture was a woman
have a good one k, gotta run, sry

 

[BarneyFife]

the link is nothing but Scripture, literally discredited
you need a link really bad ok

i dont want you to take this wrong, but you will find that you can take everything you know right now and just pitch it, bc its crap. Everything. You dont know what satan's dialectic is yet, you dont know what the naive dialectic--in which Scripture was written btw--is yet, and i know this sounds ridic ok but you have not even started Reading the Bible yet, as weird as that prolly sounds. Not meaning to say that i am so good at it either ok. But yes you, more than most believers even, need that link

But, how are we supposed to know their info is good? Can't a fella find pretty much whatever he's looking for on the net? There's probably dozens of other dates that have been set for the time of the Exodus, no? I'm no archaeologist. They disagree with each other, don't they?

 

[bbyrd009]

Unless He is also God, no?

no, or at least i srsly doubt it now, lets say

 

[BarneyFife]

Yes, Jesus around before Abraham was; and Romans says Christ died, not God.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So who put Moses in the cleft of the rock?

 

[bbyrd009]

But, how are we supposed to know their info is good?

oh, for that i would assume that it is crap until you have proven otherwise, definitely. Do the same with anything i ever tell you, too, imo
Everything i say is a lie!

but srsly, i more often research seeking impressions now, than facts
you can discern when someone is blowing smoke or not already imo

 

[BarneyFife]

oh, for that i would assume that it is crap until you have proven otherwise, definitely. Do the same with anything i ever tell you, too, imo
Everything i say is a lie!

You slay me.

 

[BarneyFife]

oh, for that i would assume that it is crap until you have proven otherwise, definitely. Do the same with anything i ever tell you, too, imo
Everything i say is a lie!

but srsly, i more often research seeking impressions now, than facts
you can discern when someone is blowing smoke or not already imo

Ah, existential

 

[bbyrd009]

It would seem that He did.

wisdom gotta be hid from the wise some kinda way tho, see

if someone just keeps reading the Bible, and treatments on the Bible, long enough, it will start clarifying i guess. Not saying it is all clear to me by any means though ok. But some of it, the Esau story, starting to jell

 

[BarneyFife]

Surreal

 

[BarneyFife]

wisdom gotta be hid from the wise some kinda way tho, see

Totally

 

[bbyrd009]

Totally

Apollos waters

 

[BarneyFife]

wisdom gotta be hid from the wise some kinda way tho, see

if someone just keeps reading the Bible, and treatments on the Bible, long enough, it will start clarifying i guess. Not saying it is all clear to me by any means though ok. But some of it, the Esau story, starting to jell

Like Miles Davis used to say: "Don't give too much away."

 

[Giuliano]

So who put Moses in the cleft of the rock?

You can never be completely sure when the OT uses the word YHVH. He is what He is -- beingness. God Himself is unconditioned beingness. When He takes conditional forms, it can be in many ways.

Thus we have passages like where the LORD "came down to see" what was going on at the Tower of Babel; and we read that the LORD "tried" to kill Moses.

Note that when the LORD first appeared to Moses, he averted his eyes. He was not gazing trying to apprehend the mystery. Some say he was rewarded for this modesty by being shown more later.

There are theologians who treat God as if He was a butterfly that they could pin down and study. I think they will all err. It is better not to pry too deeply into some things. What do we do with the things we have been shown and understand?

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

 

[BarneyFife]

You can never be completely sure when the OT uses the word YHVH. He is what He is -- beingness.

Yeah, "I AM THAT I AM."

I get hiding wisdom from the wise but I don't think God is into obfuscation for its own sake, do you?

 

[ChristisGod]

it's not my link, and if i were to quote anything to you right now it would be that "Noah" is a girl's name, and the only Noah in scripture was a woman
have a good one k, gotta run, sry

One verse and your proven wrong.

Luke 3:36
the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad,
the son of Shem,
the son of Noah,
the son of Lamech,

 

[Brakelite]

Sin has an eternal sin debt to must be paid to God, so either we are saved by Jesus paying it in full, or else we will have to for all eternity

You don't think death without hope of a resurrection is eternal?

 

[amadeus]

Is it okay to believe there is absolute truth as long as we admit we are all far from it?

I believe that there are absolute truths, but while we are seeing as through a glass darkly how definitely may we even express them? Or being able to express such truths in words you ask how far from them are we? Consider these verses from Matthew chapter 5:

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

To receive the promises, yes, absolute promises, something in each case is required. How does one attain to being 'poor in spirit' or in 'mourning' or in being 'meek', etc.?

To even really describe each promise as for example "the kingdom of heaven" can we do it without seeing it clearly?

They are human words here expressed in English, but do we have any vision of them and if we do, how clear is our vision and how is our vision to be improved in the "face to face" of I Cor 13:12?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33