How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!
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amigo de christo
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The key in knowing who is of Christ is seen by who they Love .
And who they love is who they obey .
Thus is JESUS or the apostels said to do something , a lamb loves every word of truth spoken and does it .
For the SPIRIT is with the lambs .
God desires folks to worship HIM in Spirit and in TRUTH . AND IN JESUS CHRIST this is possible unto all who truly from the heart
do believe .
They follow His pattern , the pattern of the apostels who followed HIM as well .
Now rejoice in the Glorious LORD .
For the love that comes from GOD , shed upon the heart of those who truly do beleive ,
Is seen by whom they Follow in Spirit and in truth . SING to the glorious King .
And who they love is who they obey .
Thus is JESUS or the apostels said to do something , a lamb loves every word of truth spoken and does it .
For the SPIRIT is with the lambs .
God desires folks to worship HIM in Spirit and in TRUTH . AND IN JESUS CHRIST this is possible unto all who truly from the heart
do believe .
They follow His pattern , the pattern of the apostels who followed HIM as well .
Now rejoice in the Glorious LORD .
For the love that comes from GOD , shed upon the heart of those who truly do beleive ,
Is seen by whom they Follow in Spirit and in truth . SING to the glorious King .
amigo de christo
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.we gotta remember it was the Faith that lead to the baptism and not the baptism itself.
As peter said , YE may be baptized , IF , IF you believe with all your heart that JESUS is the savoir , LORD , Christ etc .
It was faith in HE ALONE that saved .
But one who hears and does not , has decieved themselves . A lamb LOVES JESUS and that means
Obeys JESUS .
all else is wind and vanity no matter how well it is taught .
Love and obediance cannot be seperated . HE who loves ME , KEEPS my words . HE who loves ME NOT , Keeps not my sayings .
The proof of our love is not in lip alone , but in deed and in truth . Thus let all who confess JESUS
Depart from inquity . For GOD is not mocked what a man sows too that shall he reap .
If he sows to the flesh corruption , but if he sows to the Spirit , LIFE everlasting .
A lamb follows ONE VOICE . THE VOICE of the Great Shepard . And the voice of strangers who twist JESUS words ,a lamb will
not heed . Who we love is who we obey and whose we are . Now leap up and praise the GLORIOUS LORD .
As peter said , YE may be baptized , IF , IF you believe with all your heart that JESUS is the savoir , LORD , Christ etc .
It was faith in HE ALONE that saved .
But one who hears and does not , has decieved themselves . A lamb LOVES JESUS and that means
Obeys JESUS .
all else is wind and vanity no matter how well it is taught .
Love and obediance cannot be seperated . HE who loves ME , KEEPS my words . HE who loves ME NOT , Keeps not my sayings .
The proof of our love is not in lip alone , but in deed and in truth . Thus let all who confess JESUS
Depart from inquity . For GOD is not mocked what a man sows too that shall he reap .
If he sows to the flesh corruption , but if he sows to the Spirit , LIFE everlasting .
A lamb follows ONE VOICE . THE VOICE of the Great Shepard . And the voice of strangers who twist JESUS words ,a lamb will
not heed . Who we love is who we obey and whose we are . Now leap up and praise the GLORIOUS LORD .
The problem is many have separated from obedience.
Jesus said:" If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Matthew 28:19)
"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48)
Now today, many seem to think it is optional equipment as on a car.
God Bless!
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I would say that salvation in baptism consists of remission of sins and the receiving of the Holy Ghost...
Of course there has to be a measure of faith in Jesus for anyone to be baptized in water....for they are confessing Christ before men...and as the result He also will confess them before the Father and the holy angels.
A person who does not believe will be damned (Mark 16:16). The same scripture does not say that the one who is not baptized will be damned.
Both are required.
Peter said baptism saves us. (1Pet 3:21).
Jesus said both belief and baptism are required (Mk 16:16)
.......or......”What must I do to be Saved?” Inquired the Philipian Jailer.......
“ Believe on the Lord , Jesus Christ and you shall be Saved”
Shame on Paul, I suppose , for not telling the whole truth and letting this Contrite man be damned because Paul left out that he also had to be Baptized.....what on Earth was Paul thinking? For the Sincere Jailer seeking Salvation? Sorry about your bad luck there, old buddy.......
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That’s why Jesus told the Thief on the Cross......” Sorry kid, I know you turned to me ( repented) with the Faith That I could save you, But your present circumstances preclude any water baptism , and well, darn the+bad luck.....you just can’t be Saved without that water......”
Or then again, maybe Jesus said nothing of the sort......
The Baptism into “ The Body Of Christ” is the Vital one....without “ that” baptism, all the dunking in the world ain’t gonna do you a thing.....
OOPS!!! Did God forget to tell us that to be saved we must be baptized???
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.......OOPS!!! Did God forget to tell us that to be saved we must be baptized???
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.......OOPS!!! Did God forget to tell us that to be saved we must be baptized???
Really! Do you think Paul was giving him a homily on salvation in the middle of the night? The next two verses say:
"And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family".
You see believe + baptism (at once).
Baptism is the normal way that God gives us to be saved. God can make his own exceptions should such be impossible.
Besides, Jesus had not risen from the dead at that time.
Did the thief on the cross profess with his lips that Jesus was Lord?
Did the thief on the cross call upon the name of the Lord?
It's a poor example to take to prove salvation under the New Covenant
amigo de christo
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Pull up a chair and may all sit down .
I ask another question . You said , now today , many seem to THINK it is OPTIONAL .
BUT does A TRUE LAMB think such things . NO .
A true lamb simply LOVES all things JESUS said and taught . ALL things the apostels , WHO by the SPIRIT , said and taught .
either we have the love that comes from GOD , or we dont .
That may seem a bit direct . BUT its truth .
What one loves is what one IS truly OF . sorry bout the prepostition at the end of that sentence .
But i say again what we love , aka obey , IT shows whether we are a lamb or a wamb .
And that is a fact . But there is hope, TODAY if ye shall hear his voice harden not your hearts . YEA , today i say
if any reading this hears HIS voice and feels convicted , HARDEN NOT that heart .
JESUS words to the very first ones , applies as much to us today as it did to them long ago .
GO ye therefore , and teach ALL nations , baptizing them in the name of the Father , the Son , the Holy Ghost
TEACHING THEM , lets not forget that part , TEACHING THEM to OBSERVE , aka DO the things which i have commanded .
So my question is , WHy on earth am i called a legalizer and or legalist for simply teaching be ye not heareres only , BUT DOERS .
This world we KNOW is in trouble . What many do not yet realize , is most all churches are in dire trouble too .
Either we love HIM , aka OBEY HIM , or we never knew HIM . And will told so on that final day .
WHEN JESUS said , MANY there are , and few they be . OR when JESUS said MANY in that day
Will hear i never knew you . facts are facts as truth is truth .
Now for my constant reminder . OPEN BIBLES EVERYONE and start learning JESUS .
For a phone book jesus cannot save . BUT THE BIBLICAL ONE , NOW THAT ONE DOES SAVE .
I conclude from that, that believing means that you "should not perish" (John 3:16)...which is an iffy proposition; but still has value.
But if you believe and are baptized you "shall be saved" (Mark 16:16)...this is a little bit more absolute.
Notice that if anyone calls on the name of the Lord, they also "shall be saved" (Romans 10:13).
amigo de christo
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And he took them the same hour of the night
and washed their stripes , and was BAPTIZED , he and all HIS immediately .
IF JESUS said it we DO IT . hearers only decieve themselves .
Let us open bibles and learn the glorious truth of all those beloved words .
Hearers but not doers , Deceive themselves .
BUT DOERS who do to earn , DECIEVE THEMSELVES .
But let all who has breath remember this as well .
IF anything comes FROM GOD its beautiful , wonderful , holy , righteous and true . THUS though the law cannot save us
IT AINT DUNG either my friend . That , is why i worry for you my friend .
I have seen some things you teach and they make me shudder in terror for you . You might have the gosple down
But so do even the devils know and beleive in HIM . Out of great love alone i warn and remnid you . Remember that .
amigo de christo
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Let all who name the name of JESUS , depart from inquity .
Fight the good fight of faith .
If we deny HIM as LORD by mouth , we do not know HIM . SO INCLUSVISM is FALSE .
BUT if we DENY HIS SAYINGS , WE HAVE DENIED HIM , THE FAITH as well .
And let me leave us with this reminder from paul to timothy .
But if any provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has DENIED THE FAITH . AS IN DENIED .
AND is worse than an infidel .
James did not contradict paul and paul did not contradict james . FAITH is either real or its dead .
Fight the good fight of faith .
If we deny HIM as LORD by mouth , we do not know HIM . SO INCLUSVISM is FALSE .
BUT if we DENY HIS SAYINGS , WE HAVE DENIED HIM , THE FAITH as well .
And let me leave us with this reminder from paul to timothy .
But if any provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has DENIED THE FAITH . AS IN DENIED .
AND is worse than an infidel .
James did not contradict paul and paul did not contradict james . FAITH is either real or its dead .
Lets have a look...
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
1. They were in the house and were preached to.
2. They went out of the house and got BAPTIZED!
3. Went back into house REJOICING!
Sounds a lot like Acts 2:38
Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
God Bless!
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