Jesus is the rock cos he founds his church. But it is founded on Peter, Matt 16:18 you can’t take the keys of the kingdom from successors of Moses matt 23 and give them to a confession but to a person, Peter first of the apostles Matt 10:2 Jn 21:17
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Jesus is the rock cos he founds his church. But it is founded on Peter, Matt 16:18 you can’t take the keys of the kingdom from successors of Moses matt 23 and give them to a confession but to a person, Peter first of the apostles Matt 10:2 Jn 21:17
You were Given the Scripture.
Scripture does not say, Peter AND the Apostles!
Peter IS an Apostle!
Eph 2:[20] And are built upon the foundation OF the apostles and prophets, ... Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
The Cornerstone IS the First Rock upon which every stone added Becomes the Building thereof.
The ORDER is:
Jesus the CHRIST First...
Then the Prophets..
Then the Apostles...
Then ANY Earthly man who Accepts Gods Offering OF Gods Christ Messiah;
ARE stone upon stone the building and Citizens OF Gods household.
Eph 2:
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
No stone is Greater than the Cornerstone.
No stone is Upheld Without the Cornerstone.
Glory to God,
Taken
The prophets refers to the teaching of the coming of Christ and the apostles refers to the authority of the apostles in Union with Peter in Union with Christ!
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!
mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end!
Lk 10:16 He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!
mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end!
Lk 10:16 He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!
The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!
All require obedience to hierarchical authority!
The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!
The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!
All require obedience to hierarchical authority!
The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!
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Do not be led astray by statues. Again, these are not the real idols of our day. No one worships Ladfy Liberty. She represents our freedoms. The real idols of our day are Labron James, Donald Trump, Anderson Cooper, Cardi-B and people like them. We seem to believe that athletes are heroic, that newscasters are infallible, and that pop stars reveal the truth to us.
what freedoms is freedom of the press from God, you can print whatever garbage heresy porn as you like, that not freedom but license!
Prayer Warrior
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Do you know for a fact that no one worships the goddess that this statue represents??
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um...well
it is what the Roman Centurion believed; the one who it was said of I have not seen such faith in anyone of Israel
what we broadly call "Christians" today, i guess
Apollos waters is likely a further reference to it, Apollos being the god who transported believers to the Elysian Fields after they died, or something like that
i guess a search might better inform you than i could...
Sol Invictus | Wikiwand
descended from Mithraism i guess, but the important part seems to be the belief that one might attain what we now call heaven after death, basically in disregard of Christ's teachings on the matter, the kingdom of heaven is within you, No one has ever gone up to heaven, I came that you might have life, more abundantly, etc, even you and your sons will be here with me. Belief in an "afterlife"
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ah, well, i mean isnt that kind of explained by the text? You will cry for relief from the king you have chosen, but I will not hear your prayers in that day
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i guess whatever authority one puts their faith in?
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
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well i guess that is for you to decide, i am no longer a professor
you got all the "obey" vv and none of the others, yeh?
Where would we be if Jesus had done what you say, iyo?
i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock
oh well Paul and John, sure
ha or men do anyway
ah, so youve had this like basically beat into you since birth, huh
you got all the "obey" vv and none of the others, yeh?
Where would we be if Jesus had done what you say, iyo?
Never heard it from anyplace but my own study
The obedience of faith!
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name
The obedience of faith!
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name
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Since the Catholic Church was not officially organized at this time, Paul could not have been referring to the CC when he mentioned "the obedience of faith" (or "obedience to the faith," KJV). He is talking to those "who also belong to Jesus Christ by calling: To all who are in Rome, loved of God, called His saints."
He's talking about believers in Jesus Christ--those who have faith in Him! Also note that Paul is calling these believers "saints."
Romans 1:1-7--Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle and singled out for God’s good news — which He promised long ago through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures — concerning His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh and who has been declared to be the powerful Son of God by the resurrection from the dead according to the Spirit of holiness. We have received grace and apostleship through Him to bring about the obedience of faith among all the nations, on behalf of His name, including yourselves who also belong to Jesus Christ by calling:
To all who are in Rome, loved by God, called as saints.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
the church was founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
All are called to be saints, in obedience yes but there is only one true faith as He says, and eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 not I read the Bible for myself (bibles were copied by hand before the printing press and rare and expensive and most people were illiterate until the 20 century) and make my own faith, or doctrines
we must be taught and instructed in the faith!
We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
unto the obedience of faith, Matt 28:19 also obey all I commanded Peter and the apostles
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