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the Bible identifies Mary as a Virgin!
yes, as i said until after her first born son, Matthew 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." and Matthews is bible also... correct. so are you saying Matthews lie?
for KNEW here is understood as carnal knowledge, or copulation.
St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.
well Matthew 1:25 calls him a lier.

see, I can care less what St Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other who don't line up with the word of God. now read Matthews 1:25 again, I believe the Word of God. and not lying men.

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never says the are the children of Mary ever Virgin mother of God!

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649)

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

The Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept for Jesus Christ!

And the Bible says Her child is holy! And Her child is God!

Is 7:14 God provides a sign, a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular, one son)

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(The Bible says only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary)

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
(A son singular) (does James save his people?)

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!

Blessed art thou amongst all women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(The fruit of Her womb is blessed and holy)

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
(A son, singular)

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Her son is God)

Matt 1:25 He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

Until only states that they had no relation up to that point, the Bible does not say they had sex ever, before or after that point!

First born does not imply a second born. An only child is still first born!

Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They may be brothers and sisters but they are simply not the children of Blessed Mary ever Virgin mother of God!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

“You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king” (ancient writer)

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).


St Augustine, Sermons 186.1 (early 5th century):

“In being born of a Virgin who chose to remain a Virgin even before she knew who was to be born of her, Christ wanted to approve virginity rather than to impose it. And he wanted virginity to be of free choice even in that woman in whom he took upon himself the form of a slave” (Holy Virginity 4:4 [A.D. 401]).

“It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?” (Sermons 186:1 [A.D. 411]).

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (Heresies 56 [A.D. 428]).

St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, III.28.3 (13th century):

"Without any hesitation we must abhor the error of Helvidius, who dared to assert that Christ's Mother, after His Birth, was carnally known by Joseph, and bore other children.
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For, in the first place, this is derogatory to Christ's perfection: for as He is in His Godhead the Only-Begotten of the Father, being thus His Son in every respect perfect, so it was becoming that He should be the Only-begotten son of His Mother, as being her perfect offspring.

“Secondly, this error is an insult to the Holy Ghost, whose "shrine" was the virginal womb, wherein He had formed the flesh of Christ: wherefore it was unbecoming that it should be desecrated by intercourse with man.

“Thirdly, this is derogatory to the dignity and holiness of God's Mother: for thus she would seem to be most ungrateful, were she not content with such a Son; and were she, of her own accord, by carnal intercourse to forfeit that virginity which had been miraculously preserved in her.

“Fourthly, it would be tantamount to an imputation of extreme presumption in Joseph, to assume that he attempted to violate her whom by the angel's revelation he knew to have conceived by the Holy Ghost.

“We must therefore simply assert that the Mother of God, as she was a virgin in conceiving Him and a virgin in giving Him birth, did she remain a virgin ever afterwards."

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!
 

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yes, as i said until after her first born son, Matthew 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." and Matthews is bible also... correct. so are you saying Matthews lie?
for KNEW here is understood as carnal knowledge, or copulation.

well Matthew 1:25 calls him a lier.

see, I can care less what St Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other who don't line up with the word of God. now read Matthews 1:25 again, I believe the Word of God. and not lying men.

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it never says she had sex before or after and Lk 1:34 says never why is that not also the word of God and absolute Bible truth?
I’m not the brightest bulb in the box and others Augustine and Aquinas and Jerome and others are far smarter than me
 

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Is that the valid authority of Scripture or the Magisterium?

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
 

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That is not what the Scriptures teach:

Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings (Got Questions 2020. Did Jesus have brothers & sisters (siblings)?)

Oz
theefaith is correct when he says "the Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept (sic) for Jesus Christ."

There is not single verse that says she had other children.
There are verses that you interpret to say Mary had other children but that is your personal interpretation.
 
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yes, as i said until after her first born son, Matthew 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." and Matthews is bible also... correct. so are you saying Matthews lie?
for KNEW here is understood as carnal knowledge, or copulation.

well Matthew 1:25 calls him a lier.

see, I can care less what St Thomas Aquinas, or any of the other who don't line up with the word of God. now read Matthews 1:25 again, I believe the Word of God. and not lying men.

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Scripture does not say Mary and Joseph had sex. That is your personal and fallible interpretation of Mt 1:25 and is wrong.

Why should I believe your personal and fallible interpretation?
 

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it never says she had sex before or after and Lk 1:34 says never why is that not also the word of God and absolute Bible truth?
I’m not the brightest bulb in the box and others Augustine and Aquinas and Jerome and others are far smarter than me
first thanks for the reply, second, you and your other less light bulbs lied. for Matthew 1:25 is clear, "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

so her husband had sex with here after she brought forth her first born.. now to support what "KNEW" means Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." (smile), do we need to use crayon now and draw what "KNEW" means? .... THEY HAD SEX. my god how dense can people be.

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Scripture does not say Mary and Joseph had sex. That is your personal and fallible interpretation of Mt 1:25 and is wrong.

Why should I believe your personal and fallible interpretation?
Scripture does not say Mary and Joseph had sex. That is your personal and fallible interpretation of Mt 1:25 and is wrong.

Why should I believe your personal and fallible interpretation?
#1. you don't have to believe 101G look up the word as how it is used.

#2. see post #1607 above.

it's amazing how people desire a lie to the trutrh.

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#1. you don't have to believe 101G look up the word as how it is used.

#2. see post #1607 above.

it's amazing how people desire a lie to the trutrh.

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The truth is that scripture does NOT say that Joseph and Mary had sex.
Mt 1:25 "but knew her not until she had borne a son". The "until" is a time marker.

The word until (or till) denotes a point in time up to which some action occurred. It does not mean that the action changed, only that there was something significant about that point in time. That point in time may be significant for reason other than a change in the action. What happened after that may be explicitly stated or may be inferred from the context, or may just be left unknown. To claim it always means the action changes is not valid and leads to absurdities. Theefaith has already shown you that but I'll list some again:

"Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death" (2 Sam. 6:23 - NRSV).
Are we to assume therefore she had children after her death?

“There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived seven years with her husband after her marriage, and then as a widow until (heos) she was eighty-four.” Lk 2:36-37).
Does that imply she got married at the age of 84?

Jesus said to the Apostles “And remember, I am with you always, to (heos) the end of the age.” (Mt 28:20).
Does that mean he won’t be with us after the end of the age?

Here are some more
but to [until] this day no one knows the place of his [Moses] burial (Deut 34:6)
Do we know the place of Moses burial?

For he [Christ] must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (1Cor 15:25)
Will Christ stop reigning after he has put all his enemies under his feet?

Until I arrive, attend to the reading, exhortation, and teaching.(1Tim 4:13)
After Paul arrives will Timothy stop reading, exhortation and teaching?

We know that all creation is groaning in labour pains even until now; (Rom 8:22)
Has creation stopped groaning?

To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.(Rev 2:26)
Do the victors stop keeping Christ’s ways at the end?

keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ (1Tim 6:14)
Could Timothy stop keeping the commandments when Jesus appeared?

Mt 1:25 does not prove that Mary had a sexual relationship with Joseph.
 
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Why do you accept KNEW in Matthew but not accept I KNOW not man in luke???
 

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The truth is that scripture does NOT say that Joseph and Mary had sex.
Mt 1:25 "but knew her not until she had borne a son". The "until" is a time marker.
oh yese it is. "until", she had brought forth her, her, her, first born son. and guess what than MARKER did? it marke the END of her, her, her, viriginty..... lol, lol, lol.
"Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death" (2 Sam. 6:23 - NRSV).
Are we to assume therefore she had children after her death?
are you kidding yourself I have answered this before, oh well.. The children she brought up for Adriel were not her own, but adopted ones, or Adriel's by another woman, see 2Sa 21:8 however, at that time she had none after this, LOL, LOL, LOL.
“There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived seven years with her husband after her marriage, and then as a widow until (heos) she was eighty-four.” Lk 2:36-37).
Does that imply she got married at the age of 84?
did it say that... LOL, LOL, LOL, see, why add to the word of God. no she's now alone even at eighty-four.... lol. my God just as Isaiah 56:10 states, "His watchmen" are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber." lol.
Jesus said to the Apostles “And remember, I am with you always, to (heos) the end of the age.” (Mt 28:20).
Does that mean he won’t be with us after the end of the age?
do it mean that?... LOL, LOL, LOL. oh my.
Here are some more
but to [until] this day no one knows the place of his [Moses] burial (Deut 34:6)
Do we know the place of Moses burial?
do you know unto this day where Moses is buried? I know where he is buried at.... in the Ground... LOL, LOL...

enough,

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oh yese it is. "until", she had brought forth her, her, her, first born son. and guess what than MARKER did? it marke the END of her, her, her, viriginty..... lol, lol, lol.

are you kidding yourself I have answered this before, oh well.. The children she brought up for Adriel were not her own, but adopted ones, or Adriel's by another woman, see 2Sa 21:8 however, at that time she had none after this, LOL, LOL, LOL.

did it say that... LOL, LOL, LOL, see, why add to the word of God. no she's now alone even at eighty-four.... lol. my God just as Isaiah 56:10 states, "His watchmen" are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber." lol.

do it mean that?... LOL, LOL, LOL. oh my.

do you know unto this day where Moses is buried? I know where he is buried at.... in the Ground... LOL, LOL...

enough,

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You are not answering anything. You are just avoiding the issue.

But if you want to be stubborn about it then go ahead. Believe in yourself and not the Bible.

Fact: The Bible nowhere says that Mary and Joseph had sex.
 
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You are not answering anything. You are just avoiding the issue.

But if you want to be stubborn about it then go ahead. Believe in yourself and not the Bible.

Fact: The Bible nowhere says that Mary and Joseph had sex.
see Mt 1:25 puts an end to the lie of Mary's viriginty. the term "KNEW" which meand sexual activity, plainly and clearly makes it clear. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something as plain as that, for even a child can understand that verse.

now as I always say to those who want to just argue from ignorance, you are on your own, for that's what facebook and tweeter is for, just talking.

so see ya.

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see Mt 1:25 puts an end to the lie of Mary's viriginty. the term "KNEW" which meand sexual activity, plainly and clearly makes it clear. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something as plain as that, for even a child can understand that verse.

now as I always say to those who want to just argue from ignorance, you are on your own, for that's what facebook and tweeter is for, just talking.

so see ya.

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Your mockery shows the bankruptcy of your position.
The Bible does NOT say that Mary and Joseph had sex.
You can believe your own inventions but I don't
 
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never says the are the children of Mary ever Virgin mother of God!

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649)

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

That's the teaching of the RCC but it is not based on the Bible. I've provided you with the biblical evidence at #1599. Be honest: Jesus can't have any half brothers ans sisters without the sexual intercourse of Joseph & Mary. If Mary didn't give birth to these extra children, did she have extra-marital sex with somebody.
 

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Your mockery shows the bankruptcy of your position.
The Bible does NOT say that Mary and Joseph had sex.
You can believe your own inventions but I don't

To whom are you replying? Would you please learn to back quote? Perhaps you are back quoting and I have the person on 'ignore'. I'd appreciate your clarification.
 

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see Mt 1:25 puts an end to the lie of Mary's viriginty. the term "KNEW" which meand sexual activity, plainly and clearly makes it clear. I'm not going to sit here and argue over something as plain as that, for even a child can understand that verse.

now as I always say to those who want to just argue from ignorance, you are on your own, for that's what facebook and tweeter is for, just talking.

so see ya.

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Ummmmm, @Mungo gave youa few instances of the word "Until" (heos) that are NOT followed by a subsequent action - yet you continues "Lol-ing" because you have no intelligent response. Here are a few more:

Moses
was buried by God in the valley of Moab after his death. Deut. 34:6 explicitly states: And he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre UNTIL this present day.
Sooooo – did they find his grave after this??

Let’s also examine Acts 2:34-35 (also see Psalm 110:1, Matt 22:44): For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."'
Are we to surmise that Jesus will cease to sit at the right hand of the Father after his enemies are made his footstool?

Can you just answer WHY there are so many instances where this word is used in Scripture WITHOUT a subsequent action - yet YOU claim that Matt. 1:25 is "proof" that Mary had sex??

I also saw that you used the term "firstborn" as some kind of "proof" that Mary had other children. This shows an abject ignorance - not only of Scripture, but of the Jewish culture in general. The term "Firstborn" (πρωτοτόκος, prōtotokos) simply means, "The one who opens his mother's womb" (Luke 2:23, Exod. 13:2).

So, instead of simply "Lol-ing" - why don't you try refuting what @Mungo and I have nailed you with?
 
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theefaith is correct when he says "the Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept (sic) for Jesus Christ."

There is not single verse that says she had other children.
There are verses that you interpret to say Mary had other children but that is your personal interpretation.

Mungo,

That is not true. Let's look at one verse, Matt 12:46 (ESV): 'While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him'.

'His brothers' in the Greek is: καὶ οἱ ἀδελφοὶ αὐτοῦ = and the brothers of him. The plural οἱ ἀδελφοὶ (the brothers) can mean 'brothers' or 'brothers and sisters', depending on the context. Here it refers to Jesus' mother and his brothers. How are the brothers conceived? By sex between a male and female. For them to be 'his brothers', by deduction they have to come from sex between Joseph and Mary.

The perpetual virginity of Mary, no matter which denominations or leaders support the doctrine, did not come from the Bible. It is from the minds of human beings.

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Ummmmm, @Mungo gave youa few instances of the word "Until" (heos) that are NOT followed by a subsequent action - yet you continues "Lol-ing" because you have no intelligent response. Here are a few more:

Moses
was buried by God in the valley of Moab after his death. Deut. 34:6 explicitly states: And he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre UNTIL this present day.
Sooooo – did they find his grave after this??

Let’s also examine Acts 2:34-35 (also see Psalm 110:1, Matt 22:44): For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."'
Are we to surmise that Jesus will cease to sit at the right hand of the Father after his enemies are made his footstool?

Can you just answer WHY there are so many instances where this word is used in Scripture WITHOUT a subsequent action - yet YOU claim that Matt. 1:25 is "proof" that Mary had sex??

I also saw that you used the term "firstborn" as some kind of "proof" that Mary had other children. This shows an abject ignorance - not only of Scripture, but of the Jewish culture in general. The term "Firstborn" (πρωτοτόκος, prōtotokos) simply means, "The one who opens his mother's womb" (Luke 2:23, Exod. 13:2).

So, instead of simply "Lol-ing" - why don't you try refuting what @Mungo and I have nailed you with?
glad you responded, because @Mungo gave me nothing as you. listen to the scripture, Matthew 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

so the word till
G2193 ἕως heos (he'-ōs) conj.
1. a conjunction, preposition and adverb of continuance.
2. (of time and place) until.
3. (of state or position) unto, even unto.
4. (of place) up to.
5. (of duration) for as long as.
6. (as a question, with G4219) (How long; not expressed in English, redundant).
7. (of distance) as far as to.
8. (of quantity) so much as.
9. (of movement) to (i.e. top to bottom).
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, (un-)til(-l), (hither-, un-, up) to, while(-s)
Compare: G891, G3360

notice definition #5. 5. (of duration) for as long as. NOW, for Long as what? "she had brought forth her firstborn son". and after her firstborn son, he had sex with her... (smile). so no you nor Mungo change anything. Mary is not a virgin anymore. AND NO, SHE IS NOT AS WHITE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW, but sge have been driven... :D

and as for the term "FIRST BORN", don't nessary indicate only... LOL. is that which first opens the womb of its mother.

so no, you two have no foundation to stand on but a LIE. now for example, let hear the Lord Jesus, Matthew 5:25 "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."Matthew 5:26 "Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing." till when? thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

and Joseph didn't have sex with his wife Mary "till".. or untill she brought forth here first born... again you have been reproved.

boy oh boy you'll are dense.

NEXT...

Another successful sabotage operation.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
 
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