If Baptism could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus.

[justbyfaith]

Actually my comment was in response to another poster, whom I quoted.

As to your blind prejudice: That’s your problem alone.

I'm certain that others have the same "problem".

I believe that it was the exhortation of the apostle Paul (in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4) that we not give heed to those who would preach a different spirit, a different gospel (i.e. "another testament of Jesus Christ") or another Jesus.

So it is not a "problem" at all but obedience to what the scripture says.

 

[justbyfaith]

If Jesus was God, so he was God who also put Cherubim at garden of Eden (Genesis 3:20-24). Cherubim was represent Babylonian gods, whereas cherubim was also feared by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 1:1-28) and all prophets was believed God's throne is above Cherubim (2 Samuel 6:2; 2 Samuel 22:10-12; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chronicles 13:6; Isaiah 37:16), no wonder Holy Spirit always came with Flames because Holy Spirit itself was the spring water of life. And that will convincing us why did the Moses ark of covenant built with Cherub symbol, Cherubim mentioned on Ezekiel was represent those seven angels who ruled our world as seven spirit of God (Revelation 4:1-11), so if you have 7 gifts of Holy Spirit then you have fulfilled with God's protection in daily basis in a week. That's why Jesus as God himself has a power and authority to command Beelzebub as a punisher to mankind and evil doers as a warning to make them repent.

The sevenfold Spirit of God is not angels; but He is what is spoken of in Isaiah 11:2...

Isa 11:2, And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Here, seven aspects of the Holy Spirit are mentioned. He is 1) the spirit of the LORD, 2) the spirit of wisdom 3) and understanding, 4) the spirit of counsel 5) and might, 6) the spirit of knowledge 7) and the fear of the LORD.

 

[marksman]

Of all topics in Christendom, baptism must be the most misunderstood. When God launched The Way which is what the New Testament Church was referred to and was seen as a branch of Judaism, he started it off with very precise instructions. If you wanted to be a member of The Way, you had to REPENT and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of sins and you would RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit. One two three.

What could be more simple and obvious?

 

[Yan]

Why did Jesus deliver himself as a sacrificial burnt offering to Beelzebub, because He was deliver out many captives and sickens who ruled by demons and made them angry, that's why Jesus was crucified as a subtitude sheep to Azazil (Leviticus 16), Jesus was treated as a burnt offered into hell while Barabbas (Mohammed) was released into safety (Matthew 27:11-26). But with the risen from the death Jesus proved himself as God and the soldier of Rome was an eye witness to the rise of Jesus from the death (Matthew 27:62-66; Matthew 28:1-15).
Since then, Rome believed that Jesus was the son of God and they built Catholic as a deception religion but their truly religion was temple of Janus who used temple coin as a pay tax to enters their main temple entrance.
That's why the faith of Catholic was represent transformation figures like Peter who repent against denial of Jesus and Saul who repent and transform into Paul. Does the third temple coin was also represent temple of Janus coin ?

 

[Truther]

If Baptism could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus.

You get to the blood through baptism. No baptism, no remission....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Renniks]

Baptism doesn't save. It's an outward testimony of salvation, not salvation itself.

 

[Renniks]

Why did Jesus deliver himself as a sacrificial burnt offering to Beelzebub, because He was deliver out many captives and sickens who ruled by demons and made them angry, that's why Jesus was crucified as a subtitude sheep to Azazil (Leviticus 16), Jesus was treated as a burnt offered into hell while Barabbas (Mohammed) was released into safety (Matthew 27:11-26). But with the risen from the death Jesus proved himself as God and the soldier of Rome was an eye witness to the rise of Jesus from the death (Matthew 27:62-66; Matthew 28:1-15).
Since then, Rome believed that Jesus was the son of God and they built Catholic as a deception religion but their truly religion was temple of Janus who used temple coin as a pay tax to enters their main temple entrance.
That's why the faith of Catholic was represent transformation figures like Peter who repent against denial of Jesus and Saul who repent and transform into Paul. Does the third temple coin was also represent temple of Janus coin ?

Jesus didn't sacrifice himself to Beelzebub, he sacrificed himself for us. Big and important difference.

 

[GISMYS_7]

You get to the blood through baptism. No baptism, no remission....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Man's silly ideas!!

 

[Truther]

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Truther]

Man's silly ideas!!

Yes, Peter is a man, but not silly.

 

[Truther]

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Is Peter silly here too?

Or, are you silly?

 

[mailmandan]

Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

 

[ChristisGod]

Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

Hi its Jesus is YHWH

 

[101G]

Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

I have a couple of question, are you saved right now, or do you/we have a "PROMISE" of salvation?.

second, in your quote of (Romans 3:24-28) are the sins he died for was sins of our past or future sins also.

thanks in advance,

REMEMBER, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Mungo]

Baptism doesn't save.

That's not what Jesus said: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's not what Peter wrote: "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"

It's an outward testimony of salvation, not salvation itself.

Where does scripture say that?

 

[Mungo]

Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

It's sufficient, but when is his saving work applied to us?
Answer - in Baptism.

 

[Renniks]

That's not what Jesus said: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's not what Peter wrote: "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"


Where does scripture say that?

You can make the Bible say anything if you only use half a verse.
It says that he who doesn't believe isn't saved right after the first one you quoted and the other verse also says that it's not the water that saves. Why did you leave out the parts the explain what is being said?

and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

What saves you? Not Baptism, but your pledge to follow Christ. In fact, the verse confirms what I said about water being a symbol, and testimony of salvation and not salvation itself.

 

[friend of]

If water baptism was what saved and Paul would have done it more

 

[Mungo]

You can make the Bible say anything if you only use half a verse.
It says that he who doesn't believe isn't saved right after the first one you quoted

Right! You need both faith and baptism. That what Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved". Not just faith. Not just baptism.

and the other verse also says that it's not the water that saves. Why did you leave out the parts the explain what is being said?

If you look at my posts I never said that water saves us. Jesus saves in baptism. It's the baptism that saves us. Peter is very clear on that.

and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

What saves you? Not Baptism, but your pledge to follow Christ. In fact, the verse confirms what I said about water being a symbol, and testimony of salvation and not salvation itself.

You are not understanding the link that Peter is making to what happened to Noah and the others in the Ark.
"eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ".

Those eight people were saved through water (RSV, NIV, NAB, HCSB) or by water (KJV). The word translated in most Bible as through is Strong 1223 "A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through....."

The water was the means by which they were saved so Peter is therefore not referring to their salvation from the flood as many suppose but a different salvation in which water was the means, the channel.

Immediately before God tells Noah to build the Ark he explains what he is doing:
“In the eyes of God the earth was corrupt and full of lawlessness. When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals led depraved lives on earth, he said to Noah: “I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth; the earth is full of lawlessness because of them. So I will destroy them and all life on earth.” (Gen 6:11-13)

The water (the flood) destroyed the world with all it’s sin and iniquity. It was this that those in the Ark were saved from by means of water.

And as in other examples in the OT the pre-figuring was physical, in the NT the anti-type (baptism) is spiritual. And it saves us in a similar way, by clearing out the sin and iniquity in us. As Peter goes on to say it is an appeal to God for a clear conscience - because our sins are forgiven.

It is this same Peter that said at Pentecost
Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. (Acts 2:38)

And Paul recounted about his own baptism
Now, why delay? Get up and have yourself baptised and your sins washed away, calling upon his name. (Acts 22:16).

 

[Mungo]

If water baptism was what saved and Paul would have done it more

Paul either baptised himself, or got other people to perform the baptism.