Not faith alone?

[theefaith]

Not MAKE doctrine. DISCERN doctrine. We now have that ability inside of us via the Holy Spirit. It was not this way before Christ. We were at the mercy of appointed leaders to tell us what was truth and what was not. Christ set us free from that tyranny.

You won’t find that in the Bible

Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 do not apply to you but to Peter the apostles and their successors

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

The nature of authority is hierarchy!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[theefaith]

Not MAKE doctrine. DISCERN doctrine. We now have that ability inside of us via the Holy Spirit. It was not this way before Christ. We were at the mercy of appointed leaders to tell us what was truth and what was not. Christ set us free from that tyranny.

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18

 

[theefaith]

Not MAKE doctrine. DISCERN doctrine. We now have that ability inside of us via the Holy Spirit. It was not this way before Christ. We were at the mercy of appointed leaders to tell us what was truth and what was not. Christ set us free from that tyranny.

That’s spiritual and biblical anarchy

 

[theefaith]

Yep. And I only listen to teachers who represent that one faith. That one faith doesn't have a label—Catholic, Baptist, Reformed, etc. The one true faith exists in the body of revealed truth given to the world through the testimony and conviction of the Spirit. And it is towards that one true faith that God is leading all those who belong to him through their faith in his forgiveness.

Can be no self-appointed pastors teachers etc. only those sent ( apostle means one who is sent) by Christ

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You won’t find that in the Bible

I find it here.....

1 John 2:20
20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.

This doesn't mean I know all the truth right now. It means I can know—if I'm honest and don't seek a personal agenda—who's teaching me the truth and who is not. Sometimes a Catholic priest is hitting the mark. Sometimes it's a Baptist or Reformed pastor. But not all the time. I take the bits of truth that all of them have and compare it to the Bible as it is illuminated for me by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

I would believe that if those after Peter had not changed what Peter and the original Apostles taught. I don't think Apostolic succession means one has the authority to change things. The Catholic church, for example, does think that. I'm not going to follow that kind of authority. Same for all the other man made denominations of man.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Can be no self-appointed pastors teachers etc. only those sent ( apostle means one who is sent) by Christ

I agree. And I have the anointing of the Holy Spirit to discern who is self-appointed and who is God appointed. Can I be honest with you? Out of the many pastors I've known I've only met a couple of pastors who I felt really had the calling to be a pastor. I know this by if I sense the same kind of anointing on their words and teachings that I sense when I read the Bible in my private time. See, the Bible is a teacher. And when someone gives me that same sense of being a teacher that I get from the Bible I know they are sent from God to hold that office. That means in all my years of being a devout God-seeking Christian I've only known three maybe four real God sent, God appointed teachers. It's akin to how the Jews could sense the authority that Jesus had that their teachers did not.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That’s spiritual and biblical anarchy

That's spiritual and Biblical anarchy against MAN. I'm tired of man-made 'religion'. I know the difference between God's church and man's church. Once you know it you can't ever go back to man's church. Never ever.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That’s spiritual and biblical anarchy

Why was it not spiritual and Biblical (scriptural) anarchy when Jesus set God's people free from the tyranny of the priests and leaders of Israel who they HAD to follow?

 

[theefaith]

That's spiritual and Biblical anarchy against MAN. I'm tired of man-made 'religion'. I know the difference between God's church and man's church. Once you know it you can't ever go back to man's church. Never ever.

Man wrote the Bible guided by the HS why can’t they have authority to teach the truth by the same spirit?


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jn 20:21-22

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 

[theefaith]

Why was it not spiritual and Biblical (scriptural) anarchy when Jesus set God's people free from the tyranny of the priests and leaders of Israel who they HAD to follow?

never did! And it’s not tyranny!
He fulfilled the mosaic covenant and founded the new covenant!

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
——


God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you think salvation not being earned by works means you can arrive at the judgement without any works to show for your faith you are grievously mistaken. No changed life is just as much a sign of being unsaved for the works salvationist as it is for the greasy gracer.

You refer to the “ Greasy Gracer?” .....I suppose the SHED BLOOD that “brought about” that Grace was “ greasy” also ? Shame on you for saying that.....

 

[ChristisGod]

Can be no self-appointed pastors teachers etc. only those sent ( apostle means one who is sent) by Christ

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

so where is that hierarchy found today ?

does it still exist and if so with whom ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You refer to the “ Greasy Gracer?” .....I suppose the SHED BLOOD that “brought about” that Grace was “ greasy” also ? Shame on you for saying that.....

God's grace is not greasy. That's why the greasy grace teaching is not representative of God's grace.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

It isn't the order of authority that is in dispute. It's who is filling those positions of hierarchical authority that is in dispute. I don't have to submit to anyone who has usurped that authority. And I can tell who has done that, and what institutions have done that by 1) the fruit they bear, and 2) the witness of the Spirit in scripture compared to what they teach.

 

[theefaith]

so where is that hierarchy found today ?

does it still exist and if so with whom ?

All the faithful bishops the valid successors of the apostles
Has to be so to the end! Matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) unto the end

 

[theefaith]

It isn't the order of authority that is in dispute. It's who is filling those positions of hierarchical authority that is in dispute. I don't have to submit to anyone who has usurped that authority. And I can tell who has done that, and what institutions have done that by 1) the fruit they bear, and 2) the witness of the Spirit in scripture compared to what they teach.

Such as luther and calvin in defense of the perpetual virginity of Mary?

 

[ChristisGod]

All the faithful bishops the valid successors of the apostles
Has to be so to the end! Matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) unto the end

what about Pastors/ Teachers ?

do they exist today ?

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Such as luther and calvin in defense of the perpetual virginity of Mary?

They've done irreparable harm to the church. That's just my honest opinion. I'm not their judge, though. God will determine the extent of their guilt. We needed a reformation away from the corruption of the Catholic church but they just took us in another direction of corruption in my opinion. But like I say, that matter is between them and God. The rest of us have to discern what they taught using the Bible and the conviction of the Holy Spirit as our guide. And we in turn stand alone before God with what we did with the anointing we have received to discern the real truth. It's every man for himself now. Haven't we learned anything from the example of the Israelites?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

what about Pastors/ Teachers ?

do they exist today ?

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That's what I wanted to point out too. You don't have to be a pope or an apostle to be an agent of God's instruction and guidance to his people.