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BloodBought 1953

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That's how it will be at the judgement when Jesus comes back. Many, many 'Christians' are not ready for his appearance because they do not have the life that Jesus will use to judge them as being genuine believers. These fake Christians do not know their unrepentant lives of sin reveal them to not be real believers. Faith that is alone is not the faith that saves. The corrupt church has told us that the faith that is alone is the faith that saves.

Sounds good, but it is not Biblical . Paul says we will be Judged by “ his Gospel”.....

Romans 2:16.....” The Day will come when God will judge the secrets of men , according to my gospel ( meaning Paul’s Gospel Given to Him by Jesus personally- 1Cor15:1-4 )

Yeah, google it .....Four times in Scripture , Paul referred to the Gospel as “ MY” Gospel ....God will ask you about it come Judgement Day .....he will be curious as to whether you RESTED in it or not....it will determine if you are a Believer or not.....Heb. 3......
 

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What a scripture wall?


That is where having discussions and debates that, of course , “ include “ Scripture to Prove points are replaced by simply listing dozens of Bible quotes that nobody reads.....I “ have “ my own Bible .... myself nor anybody else needs to see 75% of it reprinted here so that you can make a point....
 

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And yet you attack anyone who says you have to have works because real faith produces real works.


Two things Save us, as I have said previously.....#1 Christ’s Blood. # 2 our Faith in#1
...many good things SHOULD come as a Result of Simply Believing those two things ......99.99% of the time , Good Works will manifest themselves in the Blessed People who have the Faith to Believe correctly . After all, if they did not already HAVE the Holy Spirit in them, they would not Believe to begin with.....
All I am saying is that it SHOULD happen.....let the Holy Spirit hang around Long Enough and it WILL happen .....we disagree only on THIS aspect .....It does not HAVE to happen.....it is NOT the Instrument Of Salvation —— the Shed Blood Plus Nothing is that “ instrument”
The thief on the Cross is a perfect example of this.....Jesus could have told this Repentant man who publicly confessed his Faith in Jesus Before others ..... “Hey man , you have done everything you have needed to do to get Saved , you “ turned to me” ( Saving Repentance) , Believed that I was the One that I claimed to be and asked me to Save you.....you said “ remember me” which proved also that you believed that In my Resurrection! You got it all covered, my friend........BUT , (and it turned out to be the penultimate “ BUT”) ......I can’t save you because you have no Works! Yeah, yeah.....I know....you CANT do any Works if we take into consideration the terrible situation you are in , But....rules are rules —— Especially when it comes to Salvation. Nice try. You Almost made it......
 

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What is asinine is to infer this means we can purposely sin all we want and still be saved when Jesus comes back. That's what's asinine. The person who does that is just showing themselves to be what they really are.......an unbeliever who isn't saved!

I can Sin “All I Want “ and still go to Heaven .....discovering “ that” made me NOT want to Sin anymore ....I would go as far as to offer that it is the ONLY way to handle sin. Please Notice what I did NOT say....I do not say “ I can sin and get away with it”. If I am Foolish enough to take the Grace Of God and use it as an opportunity to Sin , God is going to Chastise me Severely . If He chooses, he can strike me dead in my tracks .....He’s Done it to Stupid Believers Before ....I would fully expect Him to do it to me —- I certainly would have it coming....
 

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I think you're just saying what you have been taught is the right thing to say, not speaking from actual experience. True Christians know it isn't like this all of the time. There's often a real struggle with the true believer and the temptations of the flesh. I have my doubts about anyone who says they do not have this struggle.

Sometimes the true believer does the right thing only because they know it's the right thing to do while every fiber of their body is crying out to be satisfied. For the truly saved person, turning away from sin in that case is just as much walking by the Spirit as gliding easily into righteous acts is.

The more acquainted one becomes with battling the flesh the more easily their battle with the flesh becomes. It's sickening to see the corrupted church teach people that works don't matter because salvation is not by works. And teaching that you can live in your sin, even on purpose, and still be a saved believer, while teaching at the same time that obedience is automatic and will happen because you have faith. It's just plain junk from a corrupted church. On the bright side, ultimately that's the church for the willfully deceived and blind unbelievers, not for true believers who can see. I said 'ultimately', because true believers who can see won't hang around a church that teaches that junk forever. Because they have the Spirit they'll eventually see they teach junk—1 John 2:20.


Of course I struggle with Sin.....just like Paul did ....When Paul wrote of his “ doing what I don’t Want to do” in the 7th chapter of Romans, he had been a Christian for at least Ten Years...... Paul was still struggling at the end of his ministry.....he admitted that he was not where he should be ......and I am confident that as the years went by After Damascus , as God Transformed Him into The Image Of His Son by working on the “ inside of the cup” Paul grew as a Christian and his Faith increased and his sins decreased. I know that this is True in my life.
Many times I , like you, Turn from sin simply because I know it’s the right thing to do. I take no joy in admitting the following : many times I don’t give into the temptations that “ entice me “ because I know that if I “ do” .......God ‘s gonna “ CLOBBER” me! Seriously , ( darn the-bad luck) God don't let me “ get away “ with squat! If I accidentally step on a worm, I am guilt- ridden for days....lol....that is an exaggeration of course, but I hope you get the point....
Here’s the thing .... I know that I am Totally Forgiven because Jesus said that if I have Faith in Him , I am “ ALREADY a recipient
of eternal life and can NEVER come into Condemnation .The Gratitude.... The Love That is a result of getting that Burden off of my back By keeping myself Saved by my self-control, fear of Hell and the desire to convince others that I am a Saved “ good guy” is now my Motivation for living fight........ The LOVE for God is the Engine that drives Obedience and helps us to resist Temptations ...Yes , I still struggle at times, but as time goes by, the amount of STRUGLE decreases and the amount Of what You call “ sliding” increases ...
I am a “New Creation” That was Given a “ New Heart” .That “ New Heart” WANTS to please God and “ Finds Itself” doing just that.....That kind of change in a Man turns what used to be “ GIANT” Struggles into “BABY” Struggles and what used to be Minor Struggles into practically NO STRUGGLE at all.....Christian Growth is what one could call it .....the more that I “ Let go and Let God “ the Faster That “ growth” becomes and the more I “ Slide” into Obedience asxopposed to “Struggling” with it.....God Bless......

p.s...... I belong to no cult ...I have-not set foot in a brick- and- mortar Church in 50 years...I just read my Bible ....and listen to about Ten Good Teachers and I don’t agree with ANY of them all of the time...I am a hard- core Berean when it comes to that ....
 

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If the person who seems to fall away was never saved to begin with, then they can still be saved.
A point I almost made in that post.

If they were saved before and fell away, then it is impossible to bring them to repentance (Hebrews 6:1-8).
Thus the importance of being a believer on the day Christ comes back instead of being distracted by the argument about whether one can really lose their salvation in the first place. Either scenario—not ever being really saved, or falling away from salvation—end up the same way........you go to hell. Let's focus on real believing.

So, it does matter as to which is which; because in one situation there is at least hope for salvation concerning the one who seems to have fallen away.
What matters is that you are a real believer, and that you are that on the day Christ returns. Let's talk about making sure we are really saved in the first place and the importance of being really saved on the day Christ comes back. Let's do that instead of debating whether or not a person can lose a salvation they may or may not have to begin with.
 

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...cleaning up one’s Language.....putting down that bottle....putting out that cigarette.....stop looking at porn......All Of That “ outside of the Cup “ Stuff , while important , may get short - shrift as God gets to the ROOT of the unregenerate man’s problems—- things that need to be change on the “ Inside Of the Cup”. Perhaps God wants to change things inside of a man like anger and hot- headedness, a critical , judgemental Spirit , etc
He wants to change BOTH the inside and the outside. They are equally important because they are directly connected. Both of the categories of stuff you listed are inside the cup issues. Porn is just as much an inside the cup issue as anger is. Deal with the lust inside a man and you'll deal with the porn on the outside. Jesus was explaining that when you clean the inside of the cup the outside of the cup gets clean. He was not creating a distinction between outside of the cup sins and inside of the cup sins, and that he was somehow more concerned about inside of the cup issues and giving a pass for outside of the cup issues.

Matthew 23:23
You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 
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One of my favorite teachers of the Word used to say this ...” Bring to my Church every Sinner in this town ! You don’t have to Change to attend this Church—- but WATCH OUT! If you Turn to God with Faith in Jesus Christ , God just “ might “ decide to change YOU despite yourself!
One does not have to change to be a Christian ......That is putting the Cart before the Horse ....Become a True Christian by Believing and Resting in 1Cor15:1-4 and by doing THAT —- God will gift you with His Holy Spirit and your Life will change. It does not HAVE to but it WILL ....it is a RESULT of Salvation and not the CAUSE of it......never forget that Salvation is a GIFT .....GIVEN to those that don't work for it.....
If a person carries a piece of Radio- Active Uranium around with them all of the time —- I can guarantee you that they are going to be changed.....it may take a while, and the changes may not be visible to others......but Change is gonna happen. The Holy Spirit is much like this....God Bless...
That's why you have to have a changed life to be saved when Jesus comes back. The changed life is the result of being justified by faith in God's forgiveness. If the result isn't present then that which produces the result (forgiveness of sin) is not present and you will go to hell. That's how saying you have to have works to be saved is not saying works earn salvation.
 

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He told the Prostitute that he saved from getting stoned to “ go and sin no more” ....he was talking about her Life Of Prostitution

You are adding to the word of God (Deuteronomy 12:32; Revelation 22:18).

That’s presumptuous on your part (Numbers 15:30).

And even if your presumption was correct, in your doctrine she could theoretically commit that same specific sin again and still be saved.

It ridiculous either way (Ezekiel 18:25).

The scripture reveals the true intent in men’s heart. They resist the truth because the corrupt carnal man cannot receive it (2 Timothy 3:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14). These type of people have not been renewed in the Spirit of their mind (Ephesians 4:23); just intellectually in the flesh (Romans 8:7).
 
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That is where having discussions and debates that, of course , “ include “ Scripture to Prove points are replaced by simply listing dozens of Bible quotes that nobody reads.....I “ have “ my own Bible .... myself nor anybody else needs to see 75% of it reprinted here so that you can make a point....
Where does that Bible say that you have the authority to read it and make doctrine for yourself?
 

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Where does that Bible say that you have the authority to read it and make doctrine for yourself?
Not MAKE doctrine. DISCERN doctrine. We now have that ability inside of us via the Holy Spirit. It was not this way before Christ. We were at the mercy of appointed leaders to tell us what was truth and what was not. Christ set us free from that tyranny.
 
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Many times I , like you, Turn from sin simply because I know it’s the right thing to do. I take no joy in admitting the following : many times I don’t give into the temptations that “ entice me “ because I know that if I “ do” .......God ‘s gonna “ CLOBBER” me! Seriously , ( darn the-bad luck) God don't let me “ get away “ with squat! If I accidentally step on a worm, I am guilt- ridden for days....lol....that is an exaggeration of course, but I hope you get the point....
Why doesn't that work for the 'outside of the cup' sins of pornography, cussing, and drinking that you brought up?
 

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Not MAKE doctrine. DISCERN doctrine. We now have that ability inside of us via the Holy Spirit. It was not this way before Christ. We were at the mercy of appointed leaders to tell us what was truth and what was not. Christ set us free from that tyranny.
Hebrews 13:17
Paul disagrees with your anti-church mentality.
 

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p.s...... I belong to no cult ...I have-not set foot in a brick- and- mortar Church in 50 years...I just read my Bible ....and listen to about Ten Good Teachers and I don’t agree with ANY of them all of the time...I am a hard- core Berean when it comes to that ....
Brick building or not, any teacher that says you can purposely live in sin and still be saved is a cult leader. Ultimately, in the end, any person who purposely sins is an unbeliever.
 
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Hebrews 13:17
Paul disagrees with your anti-church mentality.
I do not have to obey any leader that teaches me things that are contrary to the voice and conviction of the Spirit of God within me. Christ set his people free from the tyranny of having to submit to the false teachings of corrupted leadership. If you'll recall, it wasn't that way under the law when the common man did not have access to the Holy Spirit the way kings, priests, and prophets had access. I will listen to any leader who teaches the truth in accordance with the witness of the Spirit inside of me. I will run away from any leader who does not. I have that liberty now in Christ.
 
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Hebrews 13:17
Paul disagrees with your anti-church mentality.
Matthew 7:15-16
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them.

Just because a leader is wearing sheep's clothing doesn't mean I HAVE to listen to what he says. I'm free to discern his message via the Holy Spirit and decide if I'm going to submit to his authority.

I'm all for Paul's 'REAL CHURCH' mentality. God has given me the discernment to know the real church. Which, by the way, does not exist in a particular denomination or sect in these end times. The truth comes to the people of God through various teachers dispersed throughout the body of Christ. They don't belong to any one man made institution exclusively. You'll find them in and out of our various denominations because no one church represents the complete truth of God at this time.
 
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Where does it say we can't?
Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
There is only one faith reveled by Hod that all must either accept or reject

Rom 15:6

Philippians 1:27
  1. Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mindstriving together for the faith of the gospel;

  2. Philippians 2:2
    Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
 

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Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
There is only one faith reveled by Hod that all must either accept or reject
Yep. And I only listen to teachers who represent that one faith. That one faith doesn't have a label—Catholic, Baptist, Reformed, etc. The one true faith exists in the body of revealed truth given to the world through the testimony and conviction of the Spirit. And it is towards that one true faith that God is leading all those who belong to him through their faith in his forgiveness.