Yes He did all men to Him by being lifted up. May I ask you however, what mean you by all men that have been drawn to Christ as a result of His being lifted up ?
Dead in Sin !
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It should be based on sound doctrine, which is what I have proposed.
That's right. And the gospel is found in the Holy Bible; every aspect of the Bible has God's words to us (Hebrews 1:1-2).
One of my favorite verses. Of course, there is more to the gospel then the crucifixion of Jesus. Which is why Paul had to expound on the resurrection 13 chapters later. (Because he had failed to do so before that point, there was a problem in the church concerning that doctrine.)
However, we will be resurrected in our physical bodies.
Read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. I believe that you will see that our bodies will be resurrected. Because to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8). And therefore when the dead in Christ rise at the rapture of the church, their spiirt and soul has already been in the Lord's presence; and this inidicates to me that it is their bodies that will be resurrected. Also, there is the statement in 2 Corinthians 5 that mortality will be swallowed up of life and that we will not be "unclithed" but "clothed"...wherein clothing is in reference to physical bodies.
So, you believe that it is possible that you yourself are still spiritually dead?
If that is the case, how do you propose to remedy that?
Because I most certainly believe that God is calling all men everywhere to repent (Acts of the Apostles 17:30).
Your Calvinistic doctrine does not require repentance, however. It's solution is that a man simply sit and wait for God to save him; and if He doesn't then He is to blame for your being cast into the lake of fire on your day of judgment. Can you not see how ridiculous that is? (Because it may be that the Lord did not "choose you.")
Rom 10:8, But what saith it <the righteousness of faith>? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11, For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12, For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14, How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15, And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16, But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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You must be hard of hearing and reading, Didnt I just tell you this:
Im not here to talk about me personally, but the doctrine of spiritual inability of men in general. Thats because by nature all men, me and you and anybody else in the whole wide world, are by nature dead in sin ! No spiritual ability, zero !
So, how do you propose that a man can be saved?
And I really want you to testify of your salvation if you have obtained it through your doctrine.
Because if your doctrine has not brought you to salvation, then it is basically worthless.
How are you saved if you are indeed saved?
What is salvational about the doctrines of Calvinism that you are espousing?
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Nancy
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CharismaticLady
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Study 2 Peter 1:2-11. That is all the help I'm giving you. I'm brushing the dust off my feet and moving on, putting you on ignore.
ChristisGod
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CharismaticLady
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Yes. I stand in constant awe of God, and He is always on my mind, and in my heart. Same with you. But that's just it. There are some that do not have the fear of the Lord, who believe verses that do not apply to them. It is all head knowledge, but their hearts are far from God. It grieves me. So much so that I just gave one mocker a scripture to study, and told him, that was all I was giving him, so to study on his own, and that I was putting him on ignore. My heart just can't take it. After the silly provoking between C and me, and wanting to take a shower after each, enough is enough. I'm not entering into any more of those. I really had wanted to take him under my wing and teach him some truths, but he came back with I shouldn't be teaching him anything seeing as he is a MAN. Well, women can teach children, no matter how old their body is.
CharismaticLady
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If it is your desire to refute what I am saying, frankly I am glad that the multitude of verses keeps you from being able to do so.
That is a part of the reason why I do it.
The way I see it, the more scriptural support that I may have for a doctrine, the more likely it is to be true and the less likely that anyone wanting to contend against the faithful doctrine that I bring will be able to refute it.
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ChristisGod
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ChristisGod
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Since its forbidden to teach men that would be impossible to "take me under your wing" as I would NEVER allow that cl for God has forbids women to teach men. The audacity of you to think you are my teacher.
FYI- others like @Nancy and @Jane_Doe22 do not claim to be my teacher nor I theirs. We discuss scriptures in a friendly manner. The same with other women on the forum.
hope this helps !!!
CharismaticLady
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ChristisGod
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@Christophany,
You should accept the Holy Spirit as your teacher.
If a woman says anything that is from the Holy Spirit, you would be hardening your heart to not heed what is spoken.
There is neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28).
Of course there is propriety in worship that applies to gender.
Therefore, any time you have a woman teacher, it is wise to also have a male covering over her to correct her in the case that she may have been deceived by the enemy.
For it is written,
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
A woman is not to usurp authority over a man nor really even to teach him. However, certain women have the gift of teaching and that covering can make all the difference so that a man may accept teaching from a woman without breaking protocol.
Hope this helps.
You should accept the Holy Spirit as your teacher.
If a woman says anything that is from the Holy Spirit, you would be hardening your heart to not heed what is spoken.
There is neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28).
Of course there is propriety in worship that applies to gender.
Therefore, any time you have a woman teacher, it is wise to also have a male covering over her to correct her in the case that she may have been deceived by the enemy.
For it is written,
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
A woman is not to usurp authority over a man nor really even to teach him. However, certain women have the gift of teaching and that covering can make all the difference so that a man may accept teaching from a woman without breaking protocol.
Hope this helps.
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