Those who deny Eternal Security
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He then came back, and admitted his love for Jesus, standing before the Sanhedrin, taking blows, insults for the name of Jesus, and even went so far as to die on a cross (upside down as history records).
He then took Paul's counsel to heart, and repented of it. You have a misunderstanding of a fall (Pro_24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.) comparing to living a life in known sin.
He could have, but repented in stead just as King David (Psalms 51).
King Saul and Ananias and Sapphira did, among so many others.
@ReChoired I don't see that those who live and die in unbelief - whatever their profession - were ever truly justified by faith.
I agree but some are saying Peter did not sin and are making excuses for his sin which Paul confronted saying he stood condemned for his hypocrisy in Galatians 2.
Peter accepted the rebuke. Admitted his fault, and continued in Christ Jesus.
1Pe_1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
And I never said differently but some here say when a person sins they lose salvation but when I bring up Peter they make excuses for him.
See the problem ?
No. A person can fall, but not be completely lost and in other situations can be. This is the strawman of OSAS that is placed upon those who know that OSAS is the error, and instead of addressing the points made by those who know that OSAS is error, they attack an imaginary foe.
When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
It shows that those who make this mistake do so out of an incorrect apriori, and redefine biblical terms.
I see. A matter of your personal (meaning you happen to like it) translation.
I can have a compelling argument, but I did not force anyone to believe that argument.
This is the error of OSAS. When examples are pointed out, such as King Saul and Ananias and Sapphira, etc, the OSAS'er, will simply say that they never believed, lived in unbelief (while claiming to believe), and simply died outside of Christ Jesus, never having entered at any point. What a terrible position to be in.
Saul was "turned into another man" (1 Sam. 10:6) and God had given him "another heart" (1 Sam. 10:9), and it was the LORD (JEHOVAH) that "anoint[ed]" (1 Sam. 10:1; 1 Sam. 15:1) him, and "set [him] up" (1 Sam. 15:11) and the "Spirit of God came upon him" (1 Sam. 10:10) and he "prophesied" (1 Sam. 10:10) among the prophets, for "God was with [him]" (1 Sam. 10:7), and the one who "sent [him]" (1 Sam. 15:18), for at this time, he "was little in [his] own sight" (1 Sam. 15:17), for "the LORD looketh upon the heart" (1 Sam. 16:7) even of Saul, for Saul knew the name of the "LORD" (1 Sam. 15:13) and "worshiped" (1 Sam. 15:31) God.
However, though Saul for a while was "another man", having "another heart", and the "Spirit of God", being at that time and for awhile "little in [his] own sight" (1 Sam. 15:17), he did not continue to follow and obey the voice of the LORD and keep his Law and so "he is turned back from following [God], and hath not performed [The LORD's] commandments" (1 Sam. 15:11), grieved away the Holy Ghost, and committed the unpardonable sin, and "the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul" (1 Sam. 16:14), and later because he refused to turn back (repent) to the LORD, "Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it" (1 Chron. 10:13).
Men have the freedom to "turn back from following" God at any time, even after being given "another heart".
Deut. 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
Deut. 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
Deut. 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
This is not only in the OT, but in the NT also:
Acts 4:23-37, 5:1-11.
Ananias and Sapphira were among "the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul" (Act. 4:32), and those who were "assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness" (Act. 4:31). Thy had claimed, as with all the others present, "ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common" (Act. 4:32), and "and great grace was upon them all" (Act. 4:33). Many of the persons present, "were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold" (Act. 4:34) and in so doing, "laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need" (Act. 4:35). A specific example of this among the believers who acted rightly in honesty, was "Joses" (Act. 4:36), who, "Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet." (Act. 4:36), and did not attempt to withhold anything, but gave all as promised (having vowed before God and all).
However, we are also given a contrast, of those among "them that believed" (Act. 4:32), once "filled with the Holy Ghost" (Act. 4:31), as "Joses" (Act. 4:36) was, and also made such a vow before "God" (Act. 5:4) and all, to "[sell] a possession" (Act. 5:1) and to "[bring] the prices of the things that were sold" (Act. 4:34), but instead of being faithful in their vow they had made, "Ananias, with Sapphira his wife" (Act. 5:1) decided to "[keep] back part of the price" (Act. 5:2) and "[bring only] a certain part" (Act. 5:2), seeking to hide their deed from the believers, while being noted among the believers as faithful to their vow. They had allowed "satan" to "[fill their] heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land" (Act. 5:3), and in so doing, "not lied unto men, but unto God" (Act. 5:4), even having "agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord" (Act. 5:9), and thus grieved away the Holy Ghost (allowing satan in), and committed the unpardonable sin against God, and so died in their sin, and "gave up the ghost" (Act. 5:5,10), and so "great fear came upon all the church" (Act. 5:11) and all that likewise heard it.
Peter was given information of Ananias and Sapphira's "hearts" (Act. 5:3,4) by the Holy Ghost (Act. 5:3), even the "Spirit of the Lord" (Act. 5:9), being "God" (Act. 5:4), for the Holy Ghost can share portions of His omniscience when needful.
This is a lesson for "all the church" (Act. 5:11), in that, just because a person at one time in their life "believed" (Act. 4:32), and was "filled with the Holy Ghost" (Act. 4:31), does not mean that they cannot of their own free will choose to walk away from God, or to cease from heeding the Holy Ghost, allowing satan in to cause eternal ruin. Sin is very serious.
This is why it is written:
Act. 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Heb. 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb. 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Indeed, as both examples were given (OT: Saul, 1 Sam. 10:1-13, 15:1-31, 16:1-15; 1 Chron. 10:13, and NT: Ananias and Sapphira, Acts 4:23-37, 5:1-11), which show that a person can turn away from their salvation, and become eternally lost.
John speaks about the sin unto the eternal (second) death. Not physical death. Notice the words, "I do not say that he shall pray for it" (1 Jhn. 5:16). Why? Because that sin which grieves away the Holy Ghost, "never hath forgiveness" (Mar. 3:29), which even King David knew, which is why He prayed, after his own sin with Bathsheba and the killing of Uriah, "Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." (Psa. 51:11), because David knew to pray, "Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression." (Psa. 19:13), which "great trasngression" is the unpardonable sin.
1 Jhn. 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
The sin not unto death, are those sins, which are committed before the blaspheming away of the Holy Ghost. However, Ananias and Sapphira had grieved away the Holy Ghost, and as such, "satan" filled them, as was done in King Saul's case. No one in those places prayed for them, for their forgivenss, for the Holy Ghost already told Peter their hearts. Read it. They are eternally lost.
Both were "believers" among the "multitiude", and they had at one point "one heart" with them all, but then they allowed the temptation of satan, of the love of money, to spring up in them, a root of evil, and it cost them all. They are lost. They lied to the Holy Ghost, which they had been partakers of with the multitude, under pentecostal power, thus lied to God in His very presence. They grieved away the Holy Spirit, and are lost. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour [near brother]- Exodus 20:16 KJB.
They resisted the Holy Ghost. They accepted satan's temptation. Being filled with the Holy Ghost, doesn't eliminate satan's temptations [the love of money is the root of all evil, thus they allowed that GMO seed of satan to be planted in their heart soil, and allowed it to grow into a green bay tree ...they lied, and no lie is of the Truth, and the Holy Ghost leads into all truth ...]. Just ask Christ Jesus in the wilderness. They made their decision, set firm in it, and lied to the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is polite. He leaves where unwanted. And so when the house becomes empty, you get squatters. it is why we are warned:
1 Thessalonians 5:19 KJB - Quench not the Spirit.
Let me give you a type. The Temple in Jerusalem represents not only the body of Christ Jesus, but the individual person. It was filled with all manner of uncleanness, buyers and sellers, loud noises, [and in fact it points to the three items in the sanctuary, the Table of Shewbread, Golden 7 Branch Candlestick and the Golden Altar of Incense], etc. Jesus comes into the Temple, cleanses the Temple of the defiling spirits. He then dwells in the temple and teaches, and heals, etc. And going on His mission. Yet, later in the end of His 3 1/2 ministry, Jesus had to do this again, and He then dwells in the temple and teaches, and heals, etc. Yet the hardended pharisees come back in the Temple and they refuse Jesus - the Truth for they loved to believe a lie instead. Jesus then leaves that Temple permanently, saying that it was no longer His Father's House, but that their house was left desolate. They blasphemed away the Holy Ghost.
Everlasting life (John 3.16) is not everlasting if it does not last. The work of Christ is perfect. It does not need to be added to by the faltering efforts of man.
Hebrews 10.14: "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
This excludes any idea of, Well, s/he's saved now, but by the weekend if s/he doesn't "keep it up" s/he might not be saved after all, or yo-yo from one state to another; this would not be a faith view of that perfect work which Hebrews speaks of.
This excludes any idea of, Well, s/he's saved now, but by the weekend if s/he doesn't "keep it up" s/he might not be saved after all, or yo-yo from one state to another; this would not be a faith view of that perfect work which Hebrews speaks of.
Amen !
Some have renamed Eternal- Everlasting Life and call it temporal life, conditional life, contingent life, incidental life anything to deny its true meaning which is life which NEVER ENDS.
hope this helps !!!
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