STOP! at Genesis 1

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I don't believe so, but if so it was under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. for, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.".

so I believe all of Genesis is of God, it's just that us who do not completly understand God Holy Word.

Again, AMEN

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Absolutely it's of God. But absolutely it's not one unit. The terms used at the beginning of 2:4 are accountancy terms making it impossible to be one original source. All the indexing and titling wasn't added till sometime after Rome.

And there are other accountancy breaks like that in Genesis. I'm certain Moses collected it in parts.

HUH???

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

thanks for the reply, but Genesis 4:4 is a recap of chapter 1 with detail account of chapter 1. for the term "generation" there in the verse indicate HISTORY. and in this HISTORY (chapter1), what was missing is now defined in detail.

example the CREATION of Man on DAY 3, and the Making of Mandkind on DAY 6.

or the Creation of land animals after the making of MAN, which brought about MANKIND. see thge difference in details ... NOW?

Spoiling everything GOOD about your views so far! There is no sign that man was created on the Third creation Day. Rubbish! Also not the collective <mankind on DAY 6>. It was only Adam and Eve : "man (one) and woman (one)" or husband and wife with individual names of Adam and Eve.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

thanks for the reply. but I must disagree with that assessment, they are not dissimilar, but are placed in ORDER. that's whay I said that chapter 2 is a detailed account of chapter 1. see Adam was here before the grass and the herbs and the trees. and so was Eve, but was not brought forth or manifested until after the animals was formed.

see the details one miss is they don't have a chapter 2 to fill in the blanks.

Fine, now I notice your perception - not agreeing fully of course. You find two <assessments> Bartholomew calls them <sources> (more to my agreement). Then you say, <<they are not dissimilar, but are placed in ORDER. that's whay I said that chapter 2 is a detailed account of chapter 1.>>
You are both correct. But the second part (<assessment / account>), chapter 2 from verse 4 on, is not so much an attempt to get the <ORDER in place> but is in fact the scribal CHIASMIC METHODOLOGY of composition. Roughly all chiasms start in from the middle to the outside, e.g., ABCCBA in effect doubling up from inside to outside.
So A = 1-2:4—A-C = 2:4 and 2:4—C-B = 2:4—3:24 IN THE SAME SEQUENCE but with more emphasis on the Sixth Day and Seventh Day; 2:5—17 (First to the Fifth Days); 2:18—25 (Sixth Day) 3:1—7 (Fall); 3:8 Evening start Seventh Day to 23,24 morning on Seventh Day.

 

[Ziggy]

Adam didn't lie:
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.


The serpent didn't lie:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

all the reasoning came from someone else's mind:
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

and then lied:
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Psa 81:8 Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me;
Psa 81:9 There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.
Psa 81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Psa 81:11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
Psa 81:12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
Psa 81:13 Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!
Psa 81:14 I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries.
Psa 81:15 The haters of the LORD should have submitted themselves unto him: but their time should have endured for ever.
Psa 81:16 He should have fed them also with the finest of the wheat: and with honey out of the rock should I have satisfied thee.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It was the 8th day. And they got cut off.

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Jde 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
Gen 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
Gen 18:15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

laughed: tsachaq
Strong's H6711
to laugh, mock, play
tsaw-khak'; a primitive root; to laugh outright (in merriment or scorn); by implication, to sport:—laugh, mock, play, make sport.

Gen 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. H6711

He who laughs last, laughs best.

Hugs

 

[101G]

Spoiling everything GOOD about your views so far! There is no sign that man was created on the Third creation Day. Rubbish! Also not the collective <mankind on DAY 6>. It was only Adam and Eve : "man (one) and woman (one)" or husband and wife with individual names of Adam and Eve.

first thanks for the reply, second, ERROR. Mandkind, (the male and the Female), was made on Day #6. only on day #6 was the sexes Made... (smile).

now as said, read what was made on Day 3 in chaper and "BEFORE" that... man was formed. no need to argue, just read my previous posts, and chapter 1:9-13, and chapter 2:4-7. as said argue with God, and not 101G .... YIKES!

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

Fine, now I notice your perception - not agreeing fully of course. You find two <assessments> Bartholomew calls them <sources> (more to my agreement). Then you say, <<they are not dissimilar, but are placed in ORDER. that's whay I said that chapter 2 is a detailed account of chapter 1.>>
You are both correct. But the second part (<assessment / account>), chapter 2 from verse 4 on, is not so much an attempt to get the <ORDER in place> but is in fact the scribal CHIASMIC METHODOLOGY of composition. Roughly all chiasms start in from the middle to the outside, e.g., ABCCBA in effect doubling up from inside to outside.
So A = 1-2:4—A-C = 2:4 and 2:4—C-B = 2:4—3:24 IN THE SAME SEQUENCE but with more emphasis on the Sixth Day and Seventh Day; 2:5—17 (First to the Fifth Days); 2:18—25 (Sixth Day) 3:1—7 (Fall); 3:8 Evening start Seventh Day to 23,24 morning on Seventh Day.

LOL, LOL, LOL,
first thanks for the reply, second, ERROR. GerhardEbersoehn, was Adam Made before the animals? I say yes, supportive scripture, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY, Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof." STOP, God formed the beast of the Field and brought them to Adam? meaning Adam was here "BEFORE" the Animals. and two, was not the fowl of the air created on day #5, and Adam was here before them, because the LORD GO)D, "formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air", and then he brought them to Adam. so again Adam was here even "before" Day #5 when the fowl of the air was made.

you fellas STUMBLE over evidence right in front of your face. as the Holy Scriptures clearly states, 1 Peter 2:8 "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." DON'T BE APPOINTED AN OFFENSE, NOR DISOBEDIENT TO THE WORD OF GOD... OK...... get you head out of the sand , and READ the bible with the Holy Ghost.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That was what it meant for God to go <<walking in the garden>> "calling" the sinners, "Where are you", lost souls, "Come to Me and I will give you Rest", "the Rest of God"! God's works are God's Rest in Jesus Christ.

thank you. Makes me consider Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


What is the difference between the ‘heat of the day’ Matthew 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

And ‘in the cool of the day’?
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

In my mind I had it backwards thinking it said ‘and they heard the voice of the Lord walking in the garden in the heat of the day’: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God... until looking it up.

 

[Ziggy]

cool: ruwach
strongs H7307

Spirit or spirit (232x), wind (92x), breath (27x), side (6x), mind (5x), blast (4x), vain (2x), air (1x), anger (1x), cool (1x), courage (1x), miscellaneous (6x).

 

[Ziggy]

The Lord was on a mission to Sodom and Gomorrah.. judgement day had arrived for them.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

so using their clock which is evening to evening... and your in the desert or wilderness under the hot sun all day,
And Jesus mentions it being the 11th hour , could be just before darkness came..
So depending on the time of year.. and when the harvest was ripe, that would determine the 11th hour of the day.
They didn't have daylight savings back then...

and Jesus also said: are there no twelve hours in a day? so...

I would say God could of been walking in the garden right before it got dark, or before the break of day.
But seeing they been working all day, I tend to think it was the evening.

THIS IS PURELY SPECULATIVE ON MY PART

JUST SAYING
HUGS

 

[VictoryinJesus]

cool: ruwach
strongs H7307

Spirit or spirit (232x), wind (92x), breath (27x), side (6x), mind (5x), blast (4x), vain (2x), air (1x), anger (1x), cool (1x), courage (1x), miscellaneous (6x).

I have no idea what all that means. Found this Strongs's #7307: ruwach - Greek/Hebrew Definitions - Bible Tools

and I still do not know. Definitely makes me consider the furnace Daniel 3:18-21 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. [19] Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. [20] And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. [21] Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.


Yet ‘walking in the midst of the fire’... Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Revelation 1:13-17 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. [14] His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; [15] And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. [16] And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. [17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

 

[Ziggy]

Daniel was definately in the heat of it.
He was in Babylon.. (probably near Ur, but we won't mention that the meaning of Ur is flame, nope nothing to see there)
Dan 2:24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.

Always the good guys putting their life on the line for others.

Hugs

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Daniel was definately in the heat of it.
He was in Babylon.. (probably near Ur, but we won't mention that the meaning of Ur is flame, nope nothing to see there)
Dan 2:24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.

Always the good guys putting their life on the line for others.

Hugs

Isaiah 10:16-20 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; (consider the Lords table and how one goes away hungry and another drunken)(how He will judge between the lean cattle and the fat cattle) and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire. [17] And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day; [18] And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body Matthew 10:28, 1 Thessalonians 5:23)
and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. [19] And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them. [20] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob,(1 Corinthians 10:12-13 but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.) shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Why ‘the form of the fourth’ is like the Son of God?

Philippians 3:8-11 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[Ziggy]

You see 3 men in the furnace where is Daniel..

Dan 2:48 Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.
Dan 2:49 Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel sat in the gate of the king.

Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

This coming from a king who builds idols with gold head and silver arms and he so loves himself.. anywhoo..

I believe it's Daniel.

What does it mean to sit in the gate of the king?
Is that like a door?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

As far as walking in the cool of the day,
I hear, in the Spirit of Lord.. walking in the Spirit of the day..
I still believe it's prophetic.
God says His word is Spirit.. and I believe Him.
Hugs

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It was the 8th day. And they got cut off.

bull

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The serpent didn't lie:

Lie

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

first thanks for the reply, second, ERROR. Mandkind, (the male and the Female), was made on Day #6. only on day #6 was the sexes Made... (smile).

now as said, read what was made on Day 3 in chaper and "BEFORE" that... man was formed. no need to argue, just read my previous posts, and chapter 1:9-13, and chapter 2:4-7. as said argue with God, and not 101G .... YIKES!

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Yikes .. it smells

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

was Adam Made before the animals? I say yes, supportive scripture, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY, Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

You're confused, your ideas run amok with you like a confusion of wildebeest. Chapter 2 summarises in RETROSPECT in chiasmic form. It is no chronological correction of chapter 2. God isn't confused; you are!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Bartholomew jones says:
The first time human beings began calling on that name is noted at the very end of Ch 4 [/Quote\]

Actually Genesis chapter 2:4 shows God's name was used before Genesis 4:26. The calling on the name YHWH God at Genesis 4:26 was a calling on YHWH name in a faithless way or a slanderous way.