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These are your words, not mine...............

I am currently diagnosed schizoaffective and have been diagnosed bipolar on three different occasions. I am highly functional. And my prognosis is better than that of schizophrenia or paranoid schizophrenia.

Also, with the help of meds, I rarely hear voices any more. Other than that, I have none of the symptoms that you have described. I may in fact be misdiagnosed currently and therefore may truly have the diagnosis of bipolar.

Another question for mormons.
 

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And also, where have I resorted to an ad hominem attack?

And, what poor behaviour?

And, how am I blaming the Lord for it?
@Christophany, you are unable to quote or reference to a post where I have done any of these things...

If you can, then do so...

I am dense when it comes to those types of things.

Usually when people are accusing me (especially when the accusation is false), it takes a little more than saying, Look Back (something which I normally don't do because of Philippians 3:13) to be able to convince me that I have actually done wrong.
 

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These are your words, not mine...............

I am currently diagnosed schizoaffective and have been diagnosed bipolar on three different occasions. I am highly functional. And my prognosis is better than that of schizophrenia or paranoid schizophrenia.

Also, with the help of meds, I rarely hear voices any more. Other than that, I have none of the symptoms that you have described. I may in fact be misdiagnosed currently and therefore may truly have the diagnosis of bipolar.

Another question for mormons.

disqualified to teach so quit pretending to be everyone's teacher online.

You have yet to show me in the Bible where a stigma of mental illness is shown to be a disqualification for teaching.

Paul was considered to be mentally ill by Festus and others (Acts of the Apostles 26:24-28, 2 Corinthians 5:13).

Was Paul disqualified?

The very thing that caused Festus to consider Paul to be mentally ill, almost persuaded Agrippa to become a Christian.
 
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2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4995: σωφρονισμός


σωφρονισμός, σωφρονισμοῦ, ὁ ((σωφρονίζω);
1. an admonishing or calling to soundness of mind, to moderation and self-control:

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance- from sóphronizó
correct, discipline, teach to be sober.
From sophron; to make of sound mind, i.e. (figuratively) to discipline or correct -- teach to be sober.

4998 sṓphrōn (from sōos, "sound, safe" and 5424 /phrḗn, "inner outlook" which regulates outward behavior) – properly, safe (sound) because moderated, referring to what is prudent because correctly (divinely) balanced (which is far more than being "the middle of the road").

4998 /sṓphrōn ("acting in God's definition of balance") makes someone genuinely temperate, i.e. well-balanced from God's perspective. True balance is not "one-size-fits-all" nor is it blandly static. Biblical moderation (4998 /sṓphrōn) describes "a man who does not command himself, but rather is commanded by God'" (K. Wuest, Word Studies, 2, 46). This root (sōphro-, "soundness") then reflects living in God-defined balance.

These are your words, not mine...............

I am currently diagnosed schizoaffective and have been diagnosed bipolar on three different occasions. I am highly functional. And my prognosis is better than that of schizophrenia or paranoid schizophrenia.

Also, with the help of meds, I rarely hear voices any more. Other than that, I have none of the symptoms that you have described. I may in fact be misdiagnosed currently and therefore may truly have the diagnosis of bipolar.

Another question for mormons.
 
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I am currently diagnosed schizoaffective and have been diagnosed bipolar on three different occasions. I am highly functional. And my prognosis is better than that of schizophrenia or paranoid schizophrenia. As a matter of fact, the Lord has greatly healed me; for I was once diagnosed with both of those worse prognoses.

Also, with the help of meds, I rarely hear voices any more. Other than that, I have none of the symptoms that you have described. I may in fact be misdiagnosed currently and therefore may truly have the diagnosis of bipolar.

Praise the Lord!
 

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2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4995: σωφρονισμός

σωφρονισμός, σωφρονισμοῦ, ὁ ((σωφρονίζω);
1. an admonishing or calling to soundness of mind, to moderation and self-control:
Yes, and I have a sound mind. And moderation and self-control.

A chemical imbalance in the brain is slightly different from a mind that is not sound. The brain is a physical organ. My illness was the result of a chemistry accident; and the problem is adequately corrected by the medicine that I take.

Have you considered the understanding that Hosea 9:7 adds to the subject?
 
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Luk 11:53, And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things:
Luk 11:54, Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Luk 20:26, And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.
 

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still using the fallacy of the appeal to self interest.

The Logical Fallacy of Appeal to Self-Interest / Appeal to Desire / Appeal to Personal Interest / Homily Ad Hominem (type of) occurs when an appeal is made to the personal the likes, interests, preferences, prejudices, predispositions, fears, etc. of others so they will accept the conclusion and self-interest is the reason for believing something to be true. This is a fallacy only when those personal interests are not relevant to the truth or falsity of the argument. Argument from consequences is a negative form of this fallacy. There is a positive form where something is believed because of what will be gained by believing.
 

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free salvation, all you gave to do is give faith.

kinda like the car in your driveway, you give money, you get a "free" car.
 

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I suppose that I was reading my Bible and getting the real scoop on what Christianity is all about...

Because if your class on "Christianity 101" doesn't take into account every verse in the Bible, it is a false class teaching falsely.


One does NOT have to take into account the entire Bible to be Saved....Just this “ One” verse will get the Job done..... “ Anybody that asks to be Saved, will be Saved”
Apologies for my simplifying what you have made so complicated....
 
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Amen.

If by quoting this you are attemoting to imply that the gospel that I am preaching is a false one, you are barking up the wrong tree.

I study to shew myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

And it is also my consistent prayer that the Holy Ghost would speak through me in everything that comes off of my keyboard at these message boards.

So, from your perspective, either I am lying when I say this or else everything that comes off of my keyboard is from Him; or else the Lord does not answer prayer that is pleasing to Him, and even according to His will.

Please note that if I am lying that would make me the worst kind of deceiver.

And therefore, if you continue to come against me I will take it as the worst of insults, to be settled at your day of judgment.


You ain’t lying....you are just mistaken...Your Perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance “——- a Clear Addition to Paul’s Gospel, COMPLETELY spelled -out in 1Cor15:1 has not necessarily damned you....it all depends on what “ Fallen From Grace” entails, because THAT is your condition ....unless, of course , you “ change your mind” or In other words, REPENT from you easily proved “ False Gospel”, which of course, is NO GOSPEL at all.....stop being “ stiff-necked”.......Read Galatians and Repent .....REST in that Gospel Of Pure Grace and know the Joy that I enjoy......
 
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2Ti 2:6, The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

How have I judged you?


If you were an “ able student of the Word” who was capable of “ rightly dividing the Word Of God” you would KNOW that Paul said it was “ our” job to judge other Christians ....it is God's job to “ judge the world” .....it is the job of the Church to judge its own—- and I don’t HESITAtE to Judge YOU ...
You Preach a False Gospel That Adds to the “Grace Only” Doctrine Of Paul.....thereby cancelling out the ONLY thing that has ever Saved anyone! GRACE! You hold to a False Doctrine Of “ Lucky Repentance” That Essentialy says, “ Why Of course Jesus Saves! EVERYBODY KNOWS That! B U T.......once you know “That”..... there is this ONE THING that YOU Must do to kinda “help Jesus out”. Are you ready to be a type of “ Co- Savior?” God needs one.That Holiest Thing in the Universe...the Blood of Christ , sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven is “ essential” for Salvation , but ,darn it—- it’s just not “ Adequate enough” to get the job of Sin-Paying done.....
You preach that no matter how much you Trust in the Promises Of God to get and keep you saved......no matter how Obedient you were to the Gospel......no matter how much you Love God and your Fellow-man, no matter how much Faith you have , there is this “one” thing that trumps ALL of that stuff.You must have the SUPER MEMORY and the presence of mind and most of all—- the “ LUCK” to Repent Of ALL of your sins rights before you die!
A car wreck, with a slip of the tongue that blurts out a “ Bad Word”, that is followed by an untimely death-dealing Heart-attack , where the poor guy did not have the Time, the Presence Of Mind , The Good Fortune or simply said — “ THE LUCK” to Repent Of that final Sin is damned to an Eternity in Hell —- the Lack Of “ Lucky Repentance” trumped everything.It was all that mattered in the end.....
What UTTER HOG-WASH.Completely Unbiblical....100% Leaven.....100% Addition to the Gospel Of Paul. ( Given to Paul by Jesus personally)
I challenge ANYBODY out there ( especially that man with the Ironic Name “ justbyfaith” ) to read the Short Book Of Galatians and prove to me that “ Lucky Repentance “ is NOT a False Addition to the True Gospel and causes those that proscribe to it as those “ fallen from Grace” ( chapter 5 ) Some Teachers Of The Word say that means “ Damnation”. It’s open for Debate. Galatians 1:8 makes clear that there is ONE thing NOT open for debate ....if you actually TEACH a False, Perverted Gospel —- you are “ Accursed” —— Damned by God Forever....are you “listening” out there, all of you Gospel and Grace deniers? Chances are , you never heard ANY of this in “ church” . You have heard it now....it’s serious stuff that has been ignored by Jack- Legged Preachers for too long ....
“ A little Leaven leavens the whole batch” .....it destroyed most of Paul’s churches..... I am proud to be a “ Pit-Bull Of Leaven” in here and in other Forums ....I hope others decide to join me ....God Bless
 

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Should I consider that to be another ad hominem attack?

I assure you that I do acknowledge the Lord in every thing.


I think you are like the Lost Jewish Brothers Of Paul who had “ a Zeal for God, but without knowledge”.....like them, you Trust in your Performance ( the Performance Of Lucky Repentance) in ADDiTION to what Jesus accomplished by what was “ supposed to be, the
“ Finished” Work Of The Cross.....



Side note...
Consider changing your nickname ....something like “ justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance”..... your current Doctrine makes a mockery of the nickname you chose.....
 

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James 1:22-25
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

James 3
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Two Kinds of Wisdom
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness
@Christophany Great passage! All should indeed search the Scripture; not all should be in the pulpit.
 

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still using the fallacy of the appeal to self interest.

The Logical Fallacy of Appeal to Self-Interest / Appeal to Desire / Appeal to Personal Interest / Homily Ad Hominem (type of) occurs when an appeal is made to the personal the likes, interests, preferences, prejudices, predispositions, fears, etc. of others so they will accept the conclusion and self-interest is the reason for believing something to be true. This is a fallacy only when those personal interests are not relevant to the truth or falsity of the argument. Argument from consequences is a negative form of this fallacy. There is a positive form where something is believed because of what will be gained by believing.

Most definitely I think that it is appropo to say that Jesus used the logical fallacy of self-interest when He gave us the doctrines about hell...

One does NOT have to take into account the entire Bible to be Saved....Just this “ One” verse will get the Job done..... “ Anybody that asks to be Saved, will be Saved”
Apologies for my simplifying what you have made so complicated....

Actually, a person who does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). So, if someone asks the Father to save them and doesn't put their trust in Jesus and what He did for them on the Cross, they are out of luck...they didn't enter in through the door.

You ain’t lying....you are just mistaken...

Tell me how I can be mistaken when I have asked according to God's will that everything that comes off of my keyboard might be from Him; in light of 1 John 5:14-15.

You Preach a False Gospel That Adds to the “Grace Only” Doctrine Of Paul...

How is that possible in light of what I have written above?

Because not only have I asked for the Lord to be behind everything that I say, but I have studied to show myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. So I have sought and knocked.

While asking should be enough (1 John 5:14-15).

..thereby cancelling out the ONLY thing that has ever Saved anyone! GRACE! You hold to a False Doctrine Of “ Lucky Repentance” That Essentialy says, “ Why Of course Jesus Saves! EVERYBODY KNOWS That! B U T.......once you know “That”..... there is this ONE THING that YOU Must do to kinda “help Jesus out”. Are you ready to be a type of “ Co- Savior?” God needs one.That Holiest Thing in the Universe...the Blood of Christ , sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven is “ essential” for Salvation , but ,darn it—- it’s just not “ Adequate enough” to get the job of Sin-Paying done.....

Not only is it adequate to justify a man, it is adequate to sanctify him (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanse him from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Now I say that it is adequate to do both things, and that when applied, it will not do one thing (justify) without also doing the other (sanctify and cleanse).

What say you?
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Will the blood of Jesus sanctify a man against his will?

The answer is no...and therefore repentance is required (Jesus said unless you repent you will all likewise perish, Luke 13:1-5, compare to John 3:16).

It is a perversion of the gospel to say that a man can be justified without repenting...in such a case the blood of Jesus justifies without sanctifying.

In such a case His blood, when applied, does not perform according to all of its functions.

You preach that no matter how much you Trust in the Promises Of God to get and keep you saved......no matter how Obedient you were to the Gospel......no matter how much you Love God and your Fellow-man, no matter how much Faith you have , there is this “one” thing that trumps ALL of that stuff.You must have the SUPER MEMORY and the presence of mind and most of all—- the “ LUCK” to Repent Of ALL of your sins rights before you die!

If you trust in the promises of the Lord to keep you saved, you will have repented of all your sins before you go to die. You have an entire lifetime to bring all of your sins to the Cross in complete surrender to His Lordship in your life...and you may as well get started now.

If Jesus is not the Lord of all (of you), He is not Lord at all (of you).

Is it not a condition of salvation that you confess (agree with God) that Jesus is the Lord of your life (Romans 10:9)?

But if He is not really your Lord, then God does not agree and therefore your statement that Jesus is your Lord is not agreeing with God....it would be a lie instead...contradictory to what is spoken by God.

A car wreck, with a slip of the tongue that blurts out a “ Bad Word”, that is followed by an untimely death-dealing Heart-attack , where the poor guy did not have the Time, the Presence Of Mind , The Good Fortune or simply said — “ THE LUCK” to Repent Of that final Sin is damned to an Eternity in Hell —- the Lack Of “ Lucky Repentance” trumped everything.It was all that mattered in the end.....
What UTTER HOG-WASH.Completely Unbiblical

There are Bible verses to substantiate such an idea; and therefore it is biblical.

Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.


And please, let me remind you that all scripture (including these verses in Ezekiel) is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).

I challenge ANYBODY out there ( especially that man with the Ironic Name “ justbyfaith” ) to read the Short Book Of Galatians and prove to me that “ Lucky Repentance “ is NOT a False Addition to the True Gospel

Yet, if anyone succeeds at proving you wrong, they will be rewarded, not by you admitting that they proved you wrong; no, rather, you will accuse them of being false teachers and will try to ruin their ministry.

If you read all of Ezekiel 33:11-20, I believe that you will find God telling His people to turn away from their wickedness (repentance)...see also Luke 13:1-5, Matthew 3 (is John the Baptist a false teacher?).

The "lucky" aspect of repentance is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:37, Matthew 13:30.

I think you are like the Lost Jewish Brothers Of Paul who had “ a Zeal for God, but without knowledge”.....like them, you Trust in your Performance ( the Performance Of Lucky Repentance) in ADDiTION to what Jesus accomplished by what was “ supposed to be, the
“ Finished” Work Of The Cross.....

No, it is not my performance that saves me. If I were trusting in my performance, my performance would not be up to par...the Lord would be allowing me to fall into sins so that I might trust in what really saves...His Cross.

It is His Cross and fully trusting in what it means for my life that makes me capable of having an excellent performance.

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Knowing that I am forgiven through the blood of the Cross makes me love Jesus much (Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19); and this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) and is also the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

It amounts to me not being in violation of any law for that I bear the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

And that means that I don't sin (1 John 3:4).

Do I therefore, even need "Lucky Repentance"?

Because it should be clear that my repentance in the past is what brought me to Jesus...and because that stuck, I am not going to have some kind of bout where I blurt out a curse word because I bumped my head...I will be more likely to praise the Lord in such a situation. Really, the worst you are going to hear from me in such a situation would be, "Ouch, that really hurt!"...call me a goody-two-shoes if you want...I'm thankful that I have two shoes to wear and am not walking around in only one.
 
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And I am not saying these things to toot my own horn...

Christ gets the glory for all of it.

And also, I say them so that you might know that God hates sin and has provided a remedy for it so that you will not have to walk in bondage to it any more...you can be set free (John 8:31-36, 1 Corinthians 15:57).

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).
 
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..call me a goody-two-shoes if you want...I'm thankful that I have two shoes to wear and am not walking around in only one.

Eph 6:13, Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14, Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15, And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16, Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17, And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18, Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
 

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still using the fallacy of the appeal to self interest.
How so?

Yes, and I have a sound mind. And moderation and self-control.

A chemical imbalance in the brain is slightly different from a mind that is not sound. The brain is a physical organ. My illness was the result of a chemistry accident; and the problem is adequately corrected by the medicine that I take.

Have you considered the understanding that Hosea 9:7 adds to the subject?