No more church gatherings by order of the government.

[Bobby Jo]

What I would ask is, Would challenging the temporary measure in court make the virus go away?

Ummmmmmmm, the ONLY thing that will "disappear" is your Public Opinion. Those who have an "agenda" will ostracize you, criticize you, and demonize you.


Bobby Jo

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Why am I not surprised.

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Well, why not hold a church meeting at a strip club? Ok, not the best idea, but the point is there.

 

[WaterSong]

Please know that this is only temporary, we are allowed to meet in person in Churches in Victoria, Australia again....

But that isn't Canada.

This that's happening in Canada is why Civil Disobedience is so important. First one needs to find out if there is something similar to the U.S Constitution in that religious freedom is a guaranteed unalienable right. And then, hold church on Sunday. Or Saturday, for SDA's.
"We are to obey God rather than man."

These kind of nonsense excuses, oh, it's for your own safety, (that we take away your rights and liberties so that you grow to believe they were government granted privileges all along), that you're not allowed to gather in church! But in bars? Nooooo problem!
That's where the legal right to disobey occurs. Churches are restricted but other locations where large groups gather are not. It's called, at least in American law, legal egalitarianism.
Everyone must be treated equally under any law. However, the Globalists, the one world order agenda, must overcome that. And how do they do this? Through corrupt Legislators and Judges. Regardless of the court they serve in.

There's going to come a time in America where the people will have to decide if they will serve as slaves or live as masters of their lives, so that government retains what it was designed to be in the beginning; our servants.

July 2020 Supreme Court: Nevada COVID rules can favor casinos over churches

This is why while the Republicans and those disgusted by the blatant theft of our November 2020 election should be watchful if the case goes to SCOTUS. We may think they can only rule against the patent overwhelming evidence of the election steal.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I've never watched the series. Is your reply positive or negative? Can't tell.

My reply was meant to be a joke. You mentioned potheads. I think Harry Potter fans are called Potterheads. I’m into neither....

 

[Bobby Jo]

Well, why not hold a church meeting at a strip club? Ok, not the best idea, but the point is there.

I met a slight older couple last night while waiting in a LONG Check-Out line (while others were standing out in the cold, waiting to get into the store) and they said that their son was a Pastor in a S.Cal. church, where he declared their assembly as a "Strip Club", and as he preached he took off his tie and coat. -- All in the efforts to "comply" with an UNCONSTITUTIONAL Directive.

So just a few hours ago, my wife an I were in a store where the drinking fountains said: not to drink directly from the fountain stream. So I asked to employees how to get a drink, and they said to use my own cup. When I explained that I had no cup and asked if they had any cups, and they said NO. So I then explained that the only "cup" was the cradle of my palm, and asked if that sufficed as a "cup". At that point they were exasperated, and said to do whatever I want.

And so I took a sip directly from the "stream", even though I wasn't thirsty, -- because I AM THIRSTY for exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

PS -- I later asked my wife if I was EXASPERATION, or INSPIRATION.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

My reply was meant to be a joke. You mentioned potheads. I think Harry Potter fans are called Potterheads. I’m into neither....

Haha . . . gotchya.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I met a slight older couple last night while waiting in a LONG Check-Out line (while others were standing out in the cold, waiting to get into the store) and they said that their son was a Pastor in a S.Cal. church, where he declared their assembly as a "Strip Club", and as he preached he took off his tie and coat. -- All in the efforts to "comply" with an UNCONSTITUTIONAL Directive.

So just a few hours ago, my wife an I were in a store where the drinking fountains said: not to drink directly from the fountain stream. So I asked to employees how to get a drink, and they said to use my own cup. When I explained that I had no cup and asked if they had any cups, and they said NO. So I then explained that the only "cup" was the cradle of my palm, and asked if that sufficed as a "cup". At that point they were exasperated, and said to do whatever I want.

And so I took a sip directly from the "stream", even though I wasn't thirsty, -- because I AM THIRSTY for exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

PS -- I later asked my wife if I was EXASPERATION, or INSPIRATION.

Nice! On all accounts. And hey, if strippers are looking for work, or if the fellas have a few one dollars bills to spend, give em' the Gospel and have them tip the church!

 

[Bobby Jo]

Nice! On all accounts. And hey, if strippers are looking for work, or if the fellas have a few one dollars bills to spend, give em' the Gospel and have them tip the church!

I'd rather see a "saved" stripper, and a "repentant" feller in church than some of the self righteous hypocrites we currently have.


Bobby Jo

 

[TheslightestID]

Im a child of the 60's so I'm always up for a good ol' down home uprising against the government, but however right it may seem, even if we tell ourselves it's for the glory of God, and beat our chest thinking we are standing up for Christianity...it's still wrong. Here is why:

Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

The government is God's way of helping us, so let God help.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I'd rather see a "saved" stripper and a "repentant" feller in church than some of the self-righteous hypocrites we currently have.


Bobby Jo

You just keep hitting the bullseye, don't you!

 

[Bobby Jo]

... The government is God's way of helping us, so let God help.

It still seems to me that we're GOD Agents, and Participants in Righteousness. And although I don't see a parallel for us today in the historical insurrection against King George; I DO SEE that MANY Christians will be martyred for standing for Christ. And this FIGHT is in PARTICIPATION with GOD, -- not simply DEFERRING to GOD as though HE were going to effect HIS plans by HIMSELF.



Bobby Jo

 

[Addy]

Wow... this thread went for a ride.

 

[Addy]

Here in the States, under our Constitutional FREEDOMS, if you are SICK, -- Stay Home. If you are NOT SICK, then DON'T GIVE UP YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEED FREEDOMS. -- Of course stores can MANDATE a mask to shop, but the government CANNOT MANDATE ANY RESTRICTIONS, unless you are SICK.

And even if you do get sick, the symptoms and consequences are NOT what the media asserts. YOU WON"T DIE unless you're already about to die, just as in any other Flu Epidemic. So be careful what you listen to, and what you believe!

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

Canada and the United States are handling the pandemic ( whether real or fake ) in almost opposite ways which is fine.... we are two separate countries... I just find it sad that this is yet ANOTHER issue that does nothing but bring judgement on those who have different opinions.
Here in my province... we have ( as I posted earlier ) the colour coded stages... and it seems to be working so far...This way the entire provinces are not shutting down at the same time. I am content with this... and I don't have a problem following the rules.

As far as what I believe... I believe worldly freedom is a myth....My freedom comes from CHRIST.... and He tells me to live my life in a peaceful manner.... I place my needs behind those of others. Anyways... I am bent and bound to find a topic to enjoy... Lol... This is not one of them.

 

[Michael1985]

In our area we are ordered not to meet in church on sunday anymore.
Yet the schools, bars, restaurants, etc are still open under certain conditions.
Our churches are closed now!

These certain conditions are invalid for our local churches.
No more meetings in church, period

British Columbia Canada:
On November 19, 2020, Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry issued a provincial order that prohibits indoor and outdoor gatherings of any size. In-person religious gatherings and worship services including drive-in church) are not allowed from November 19 at midnight. This order also does not allow social gatherings of any size with anyone other than those in your household or core bubble.

So lets look at scripture and please respond with your ideas and comments.....


What does Hebrews 10:25 mean?
Personal contact with other Christians is not merely suggested by the Bible: it is commanded. A practical reason for this was given in the prior verse. Relationships with other believers are one way to be encouraged to live out the faith we proclaim. We are called on to "hold fast," through our own spiritual maturity. Growth in faith, however, is greatly influenced by having Christian examples around us. This is why the Great Commission was for the church to "make disciples," not merely to talk about Jesus (Matthew 28:18–20). Verse 24 commanded Christians to look for opportunities to inspire others to love and to good works.

This verse specifically disapproves of failure, on the part of Christians, to meet with other Christians. The Greek term used here is enkataleipontes, referring to "an abandonment or forsaking." The ESV translates this term as "neglect," since it implies a failure to do something one ought to be doing. In clear terms, Christians have an obligation to fellowship with other Christians. This is not only necessary for discipleship, but so that we can meet each other's needs, and encourage and inspire other Christians in their faith...........

I live out there, and not only do I approve, but think it was long overdue to prohibit gatherings of any sort, be they religious or not. I would have no problem with "drive-in" services where people stay in their vehicles, but I also don't consider the people's need or want for fellowship to be adequate grounds for changing any health order that would ban those as well.

 

[CadyandZoe]

In our area we are ordered not to meet in church on sunday anymore.
Yet the schools, bars, restaurants, etc are still open under certain conditions.
Our churches are closed now!

These certain conditions are invalid for our local churches.
No more meetings in church, period

British Columbia Canada:
On November 19, 2020, Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry issued a provincial order that prohibits indoor and outdoor gatherings of any size. In-person religious gatherings and worship services including drive-in church) are not allowed from November 19 at midnight. This order also does not allow social gatherings of any size with anyone other than those in your household or core bubble.

So lets look at scripture and please respond with your ideas and comments.....


What does Hebrews 10:25 mean?
Personal contact with other Christians is not merely suggested by the Bible: it is commanded. A practical reason for this was given in the prior verse. Relationships with other believers are one way to be encouraged to live out the faith we proclaim. We are called on to "hold fast," through our own spiritual maturity. Growth in faith, however, is greatly influenced by having Christian examples around us. This is why the Great Commission was for the church to "make disciples," not merely to talk about Jesus (Matthew 28:18–20). Verse 24 commanded Christians to look for opportunities to inspire others to love and to good works.

This verse specifically disapproves of failure, on the part of Christians, to meet with other Christians. The Greek term used here is enkataleipontes, referring to "an abandonment or forsaking." The ESV translates this term as "neglect," since it implies a failure to do something one ought to be doing. In clear terms, Christians have an obligation to fellowship with other Christians. This is not only necessary for discipleship, but so that we can meet each other's needs, and encourage and inspire other Christians in their faith...........

This passage speaks directly to our situation today, because believers were faced with the same challenges. During that time, being known as a "Christian" (a pejorative back then) could cost you your job, your livelihood, your status in society and even your life. Hated by friends, hated by family, threatened by the government, threatened by other religions. Given this situation, why not just stay home and read your bible?

Jesus said many things about this subject. For instance, he said this very scary statement:

Matthew 10:23
But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

The Lord also taught us that his disciples were meant to live among those in society as salt and light.

Matthew 5:13
“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

As others have said, meeting in church is our way of encouraging each other to keep the faith and to remember what our Lord and his Apostles have said. This idea is found in passages such as

Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

Meeting together is very important. Thanks for raising this issue.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I live out there, and not only do I approve, but think it was long overdue to prohibit gatherings of any sort, be they religious or not. I would have no problem with "drive-in" services where people stay in their vehicles, but I also don't consider the people's need or want for fellowship to be adequate grounds for changing any health order that would ban those as well.

When the government treats a gathering of Christians differently than a gathering of drinkers at a bar or diners at a restaurant, the restriction is an obvious example of persecution. Treating a gathering of Christians differently than any other gathering is no longer a matter of health.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I live in Ontario... and we have colour coded different districts according to the number of cases aka hot spots.
There is green... orange... red and grey... green being wear a mask inside public spaces that are enclosed... social distance... limit capacity of people
according to space... be careful and safe... but operate at still below normal capacity.... orange is the warning sign that cases
are rising...red zone is stricter limits to the number of people allowed to gather... urging people not to go out unless they have to... and grey is
lock down... only essential services allowed to open at minimum capacity. Church is not considered an essential service... and it has also
been documented as a super-spreading event in the past.

Where I live in the North... we are green which means businesses are allowed to open at limited capacity... Most
of our retail stores have staff standing at the front doors... counting the number of people entering as well as ensuring
that hand sanitizer is used before entering.

I guess it boils down to how you view government instructions and protocols... Personally... I feel it is a matter of respect to follow the protocols
given... We have doctors... nurses working themselves to the bone to care for and protect the sick... I have seen anti-mask rallies around the country.... and house parties being thrown by irresponsible College and University students...as well as others who just want to drink and carry on... I personally find this disturbing and appalling. In my opinion.. if you don't want to wear a mask.... STAY HOME. I am grateful that I can walk into my grocery store and feel safe and comfortable to shop. I do not feel like I am making a big sacrifice.

For those who don't believe covid-19 is even real... well... there's not much can be said to those people... they will certainly be those affected the most by the restrictions being set in place to protect us. These have been difficult times for EVERYONE... and yes... it has been hard on the economy and on mental health... but the internet does at least offer ways to stay connected with one another even if not in the same room.

We quarantine the sick, not the healthy. Let me repeat this because it is very important. We quarantined the sick, not the healthy. Given this, anyone can clearly see that what you describe above is NOT a matter of public safety or the result of a health crisis. Your desire to respect and appreciate health workers and doctors and even your fellow citizens is being used against you. I admire your values and agree with them very much. But your good values are being exploited by evil men. What do you think of men who, out of fear and a hunger for power, want other human beings to suffer alienation, depression, anxiety, and despair? What do you think of men who want you to die alone at home without any contact with family or friends in your time of need? When does a care for others transmogrify into selfish behavior?

Aren't I being selfish to demand that everyone stay home so that I might not get sick? What does it say about the government's view of the people it purports to rule, when it assumes the entire population is sick? What does it mean when government officials do not obey their own rules? Isn't it obvious how they feel about it? Do they actually believe a health danger exists? Do they actually believe a health danger exists? Really? Really?

 

[Addy]

When the government treats a gathering of Christians differently than a gathering of drinkers at a bar or diners at a restaurant, the restriction is an obvious example of persecution. Treating a gathering of Christians differently than any other gathering is no longer a matter of health.

This issue is being taken out of context.
This is no where near an example of persecution... that is an outlandish claim to make... I'm not sure how it is in other provinces... as I live in Ontario ... Public gatherings are permitted to happen if there is not an outbreak in numbers... Many restaurants are open and have been for a long time now... but at reduced capacity with safety measures in place.

Churches are placed in the category of LARGE gatherings for that exact reason... they are large gatherings and therefore they are affected in the same way sports complexes and concert halls are.... Somehow certain Christians believe this to be an infringement of "their rights".....
It seems that is all we hear about anymore.... "my rights... my rights ... my rights"....You cannot compare the way US has handled the pandemic response with Canada... they are two totally different countries with different policies.

Bad enough the United States is in a huge mess right now... and I fear civil unrest is brewing and much violence is about to occur... This seems to be a much more realistic thought than Christian persecution in Canada. God bless us all as we do our best to work through the issues that are facing us... and may we remember we are CHRISTIANS.

 

[Addy]

We quarantine the sick, not the healthy. Let me repeat this because it is very important. We quarantined the sick, not the healthy. Given this, anyone can clearly see that what you describe above is NOT a matter of public safety or the result of a health crisis. Your desire to respect and appreciate health workers and doctors and even your fellow citizens is being used against you. I admire your values and agree with them very much. But your good values are being exploited by evil men. What do you think of men who, out of fear and a hunger for power, want other human beings to suffer alienation, depression, anxiety, and despair? What do you think of men who want you to die alone at home without any contact with family or friends in your time of need? When does a care for others transmogrify into selfish behavior?

Aren't I being selfish to demand that everyone stay home so that I might not get sick? What does it say about the government's view of the people it purports to rule, when it assumes the entire population is sick? What does it mean when government officials do not obey their own rules? Isn't it obvious how they feel about it? Do they actually believe a health danger exists? Do they actually believe a health danger exists? Really? Really?

The problem with your statement of quarantining the sick is that many people are SILENT carriers ( asymptomatic )... so it is impossible to QUARANTINE the sick effectively according to your definition.

My good values are not being exploited by anyone... because I am a Christian... who keeps to herself... follows the laws of the land and lives in PEACE.... probably because I mind my own business.... NO one has the power to tell me how I must think or believe... My government has blessed many evil mandates ... which I do not agree with... nor will I ever agree with. Abortion is wrong... the LGBTQ agenda is wrong... but there are a great many other things that are evil and wrong... in both Canadian and US governments...

I have no problem with following the mandates set aside from the government... and I guess I truly am one of the more BLESSED people because I truly have not been affected by the pandemic.... That is a plus of being a recluse I guess.

I really don't care if a health danger exists or not... There is so much screaming... and anger in the world today... that I simply shut it all off... and choose to live in peace.

 

[Addy]

I think I just got up on a soap box... LOL.... I know it's probably too much to ask... and probably impossible as there is so much stress and tension going on... but some people are coming to these forums for a teeny bit of grace and fellowship... Sadly... some of the communication that is happening is charged with arrogance and judgement on others... Anyways... My soap box is under the bed now....